California resident dies several hours after receiving COVID-19 vaccine

Becky1951 said:
I agree this article didn't give information needed to know if it was or wasn't due to the vaccine. That information will come later.

I don't believe that anyone has the right to withhold information regarding Covid or the vaccine due to possibly scaring anyone.

What right do I have, or you, or anyone to decide for others what information they should or should not read?

You think articles like this will cause some to refuse getting the vaccine. So therefore don't post them.

Isn't that trying to persuade others into getting the vaccine because you believe it's the only right thing to do?

By omitting the negative and only posting the positive is taking away the right of others to be fully informed in order to make their own decisions.

I'm not trying to persuade anyone into not getting the vaccine, I plan on getting it when I feel it's safe to.

I think as adults we have no need for censorship as to what we should read, scary or not.
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People who have the mindset that the vaccine will "Fix Everything," "Get people back to normal," "Eliminate Covid," etc. are very uncomfortable with anything negative about it. It's a threat to their comfort level & it interferes with them believing what they want to believe.

I noted something similar back in the 80's, when AIDS was constantly in the news - also labeled an epidemic. My brother was a person of excess - a real sleazeball - sleeping with "women of the night" he picked up off the street. He became frightened later when he realized he was risking his life. Every time an AIDS "Breakthrough" was reported on the news, he'd jump on it & get excited & say, "They found a cure for AIDS." He was hearing what he wanted to hear. He also got very angry at me when I'd correct him & remind him that it was not a cure - just a new drug or new treatment option.
 

win231 said:
People who have the mindset that the vaccine will "Fix Everything," "Get people back to normal," "Eliminate Covid," etc. are very uncomfortable with anything negative about it. It's a threat to their comfort level & it interferes with them believing what they want to believe.
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Fair enough.

Equally true: people with the mindset that the danger of the virus is exaggerated and/or that the vaccines are highly dangerous search out articles that support those positions. The vast number of news reports citing hospital data along with epidemiological and scientific studies to the contrary are a threat to their comfort level and interfere with them believing what they want to believe.

It's called confirmation bias.
 
Earlier today, the White House COVID-19 Response Team had it's first press briefing. CDC Director Rochelle Walensky stated:

"I want to take a moment here to emphasize that the Covid-19 vaccines are safe and they work. And this is backed up with data."

"Let me be clear, these are rare, treatable outcomes and the Covid-19 vaccines are safe. It's also important to put this into context. The risk with getting sick with Covid-19 are much higher than the risk of allergy or anaphylaxis from the vaccine," she said.

There is science and then there is an orange following who spread fear and conspiracies that foster their own agenda.
 

chic said:
The thing that is scary to me about someone dying hours after getting the vaccine, is that they have lived through a year of this covid infested world just fine and died trying to fight it through vaccination. :eek:
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Well if they already had Covid odds are it could be something related to the Covid. Perhaps there was a reaction to the vaccine that made the Covid stuff worse. You just don't know till the info is in.
 
There are probably a zillion different reasons that somebody could die shortly after receiving the vaccine. Or any vaccine. Or any medication, or any food for that matter. Saying in a headline that a California resident died several hours after receiving the covid-19 vaccine makes an obvious connection between the two events, implying cause and effect. It sounds like smear tactics, designed to appeal to the dramatically shrinking population that still believes that a) the disease isn't really all that bad, and b) the vaccine is new and untested, and geez, let someone else be the guinea pig. This kind of scare-mongering is right up the alley of Fox news. And it's probably a good part of the reason the U.S. has the high death rate from Covid that it does.
 
"And it's probably a good part of the reason the U.S. has the high death rate from Covid that it does."

The vaccine hasn't been readily available to enough people yet to count the lack of persons getting vaccinated due to mistrust as being the cause of the high death rate.

Those refusing to wear a mask, or social distancing or still believing its nothing more then the flu, are most likely the cause.
 
chic said:
The thing that is scary to me about someone dying hours after getting the vaccine, is that they have lived through a year of this covid infested world just fine and died trying to fight it through vaccination. :eek:
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Especially when we're told "After getting the vaccine, people will be monitored for 30 minutes."
 
Becky1951 said:
Apparently it has no effect.

18 vaccinated prisoners at Sharon Prison test positive for COVID-19

After testing prisoners for coronavirus at the Sharon Prison, 18 prisoners were found to have the virus, the Prison Service announced Wednesday evening.

All prisoners who tested positive are in good condition, the statement noted, and have shown no symptoms.

The Prison Service said that all of the prisoners in question received vaccinations last week and have been isolated according to Health Ministry guidelines.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news...aron-prison-test-positive-for-covid-19-656905
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Then there's this guy Individual in California dies hours after receiving COVID-19 vaccine (nbc15.com)

The thinking is someone who had the virus already has an amped up immune system and when they get the vaccine it goes into overdrive, causing problems. Very concerning to me as I've had the virus. I'll keep getting tested for antibodies and if/when I no longer have those, I'll consider the vaccine. So much we don't know.
edit: oops , just realized that's what the original thread was about,lol
 
I thought there were no politics allowed here? Can others now veil their politics by speaking of the "one with dementia"?
 
Sunny said:
There are probably a zillion different reasons that somebody could die shortly after receiving the vaccine. Or any vaccine. Or any medication, or any food for that matter. Saying in a headline that a California resident died several hours after receiving the covid-19 vaccine makes an obvious connection between the two events, implying cause and effect. It sounds like smear tactics, designed to appeal to the dramatically shrinking population that still believes that a) the disease isn't really all that bad, and b) the vaccine is new and untested, and geez, let someone else be the guinea pig. This kind of scare-mongering is right up the alley of Fox news. And it's probably a good part of the reason the U.S. has the high death rate from Covid that it does.
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All very true. But when healthy people die within hours, days, weeks of getting the vaccine it piques my interest. I highly doubt anybody's using smear tactics about the vaccine as the vast majority of coverage is pro vaccine. As for Fox News, I don't follow them but I've seen the articles about people dying on MSNBC which is as about as un Fox News as you can get. I want ALL the information I can get, not just the rosy stuff.
One of the announced side effects of the vaccine is stroke. Hank Aaron died of a stroke 2 weeks after getting the vaccine, (Cause of death has now been changed to natural causes). The obstetrician in the news died of a stroke 2 weeks after getting the vaccine. Two people in (I believe) Brazil died of brain strokes 2 weeks after getting the vaccine. That at least raises a red flag to me.
I've had the virus, just read of the guy who had had the virus and died hours after getting the vaccine . I want to know about these things. You can't make an informed decision with only half the story. My Dad is 96 and had the virus. He has the double whammy of having had the virus and being very old. Should he chance the vaccine? I want as much information as I can get.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
Hank Aaron died two weeks after he got the vaccine. Didn't read that King got the vaccine shortly before his death.
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King was not vaccinated.

That's true about Hank Aaron, but his death is not being attributed to the vaccine. By all accounts the amazing Mr. Aaron had no reaction to the vaccine after receiving it and died of natural causes, not a rarity at 86.

I'm so glad he died peacefully. I was always a fan of his baseball abilities, but an even greater admirer of the gentleman that he was.
 
As I've said before, just because John Doe died soon after getting/doing/experiencing, eating something does not prove that whatever John Doe ate, got, did, etc., caused him to die. It is faulty logic.
 

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