Can you believe anything any more?

The below is a well crafted explanation from a psychology communication website of how our world since the rise of the Internet, then social media, and now AI, is being manipulated because average humans lack sufficient intelligence to understand issues. I see this frequently today, so work to help people understand deeper complexity issues as with real estate. Especially pertinent currently given the assassination. (And notice ignoring baiters does work.)

'When people gather in groups, bizarre behaviors often emerge': How the rise of online social networks has catapulted dysfunctional thinking

By Fatima Seeme, David Green, Carlo Kopp published September 17, 2025

The pervasive spread of misinformation can be tracked to cognitive limitations, social influence and the global spread of online networks. Combatting it has become an "arms race" between truth and lies.

During the COVID-19 pandemic, people started attacking 4G and 5G over the false belief radio-frequency emissions was causing the disease. When the COVID-19 pandemic broke out, a bizarre conspiracy theory swept through global social media: that the disease was caused by radio-frequency emissions from 5G cell phone towers. The wild theories spread across social media platforms. The belief in this conspiracy was so fervent that the media reported more than 100 incidents of arson and vandalism against 5G (and 4G) infrastructure, as well as numerous instances of abusive or threatening behavior against telecommunications workers.

Why do bizarre events like this happen? In our recent review article, published May 19 in the journal Frontiers in Communication, we showed that conspiracy theories and other widespread incorrect beliefs emerge from complex interactions involving people's cognitive limitations, social influence in groups, and the global-scale spread of ideas across social networks. This fatal combination of processes at different scales — individual, group and global — has led to the online problems we are seeing today. Their complexity makes the resulting social trends incredibly difficult to combat.

Primed for poor thinking and bizarre group behaviors. The root cause of poor thinking lies in our evolution. Our ability to cope with complex information is limited, so our brains take shortcuts, such as confirmation bias — the tendency to notice things that match our preexisting beliefs and ignore those that don't. For example, we quickly forget waiting in a fast queue but remember how annoying a slow queue is, and ask, "Why am I always in the slow queue?"

Another symptom of our inability to cope with complexity is the tendency to see malicious intent in complex, unexplained events. This tendency has planted the seeds for much injustice, from witch hunts to conspiracy theories. The reality is that unexpected events and behaviors often emerge through networks of interactions, without any conscious prompting.

When people gather in groups, bizarre behaviors often emerge. Like epidemics, false beliefs can spread from person to person. Were you ever afraid to ask a question in class?
(In some of my college classes I was the only person that would belatedly raise their hand after none others.) You think everyone else understands, and you don't want to look stupid, but sometimes, no one understands. Known as pluralistic ignorance, this problem underlies many social problems. For instance, people who are usually helpful often become passive bystanders in the presence of others and fail to help a victim.

A similar problem is groupthink: Everyone stops voicing their own opinion because they want to protect the reputation of their group, even if they disagree, and blindly follow the leader. Groupthink was implicated in many famous calamities, including the loss of the Space Shuttle Challenger. Another problem with potentially disastrous consequences is polarization, where a group splits into two camps with mutually opposed, irreconcilable viewpoints that become increasingly separated over time.

Pluralistic ignorance, groupthink and polarization are all known to be "emergent" effects that arise naturally under suitable conditions. This self-organizing behavior of groups is often not understood, and frequently attributed to other causes. It is also why governments, media and public are often caught by surprise when groups suddenly emerge promoting strange agendas. The above group behaviors emerge spontaneously when individual failures in cognition interact and lead to dysfunctional group behaviours. They are driven by a deep social drive for safety in a group. This fuels errors in the way we think and leads people to take the "safe" route and follow the crowd.

Rapid spread of extremist views. The problem today is that what in the past would have been the whisper of a few voices now has the potential to ignite widespread mayhem. Imagine living in a traditional village, hundreds of years ago. It's a small world. Ideas spread by word of mouth from person to person. They move outward very slowly, when visitors move from village to village. Even today, we still inhabit many kinds of "villages" — family, neighbors, colleagues, friends — and ideas spread as we move between groups.

The advent of mass media has given some people a far wider reach than ever before. It has aided propaganda while also amplifying extreme views. On the internet, groups of people are connected, irrespective of geographical distance, so individual views can be reinforced by large supporting groups. Communities of like-minded people emerge via social media. This includes the rapid spread of extremist views and conspiracy theories. Connecting individuals with extreme views via social media allows very large groups to share malign views. Bizarre behaviors, like the 5G sabotage mentioned above, can surface, often very quickly.

The truth can't compete with lies. Why do deceptive messages spread well? They can be designed to seduce audiences by exploiting known cognitive biases. This technique is widely used in politically polarized media, social media and biased fact-checking. It exploits confirmation bias and motivated cognition. Truthful messages simply cannot compete with customized fakes.

Another well-known cause is the spreading behavior of social networks, especially when connected by very fast and pervasive digital networks. Studies have found that deceptive messages usually spread in a manner that resembles the models used by epidemiologists in medicine. Social media "influencers" often become "super-spreaders" of false and misleading content.

The above behavior suggests that authorities might suppress the spread of deceptive messages by treating them like epidemics. These are typically defeated by taking three steps: Suppress the source, limit the spread, and increase the immunity of the exposed population. If the pathogen is digital, this suggests blocking or de-platforming creators and spreaders of malign messages, filtering malign content on media platforms, and educating or training audiences to reject malign content.

This is easier said than done. No way out. Creators and spreaders will leverage freedom of speech legislation, and/or migrate between platforms and media types. Meanwhile, audiences may persist in believing malign nonsense and are prone over time to forget what they are taught. Unfortunately, there is an immense diversity of ways to spread malicious messages.

The world is now confronted with the prospect of a perpetual "arms race" in tactics and technology between purveyors of propaganda and nonsense, and people trying to tell the truth, with audiences that frequently do not know enough to care about the differences between fiction and fact. Communities that choose not to play in this "arms race" will be inundated with falsehoods and suffer increasing social discord as consensus on any issue of community concern will be disrupted to the point of paralysis. Communities that choose to confront malign actors will have to invest time and resources to play in the "arms race" and attempt to prevent or manage unwanted damage effects.

There is no simple panacea solution: expecting to find one is wishful thinking.
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I do disagree with above ending solution opinion but that will require reasonable limitations to freedom of speech regardless of how many will loathe doing so. And to them I'll tersely add, "You Earth monkeys were given a chance but that clearly has failed, so you deserve it."
 

I can sometimes believe that what people say is in fact their opinion, but not always. But it has always been necessary to take anything you hear with a grain of salt. With what goes on online there is less to read in body language, tone of voice and focus to go on. So more than a pinch.
 
The below is a well crafted explanation from a psychology communication website of how our world since the rise of the Internet, then social media, and now AI, is being manipulated because average humans lack sufficient intelligence to understand issues. I see this frequently today, so work to help people understand deeper complexity issues as with real estate. Especially pertinent currently given the assassination. (And notice ignoring baiters does work.)

'When people gather in groups, bizarre behaviors often emerge': How the rise of online social networks has catapulted dysfunctional thinking
A compelling article—it's clear we're deeply immersed in this moment, with political figures appearing more inclined to harness these techniques than to restrain them. Beyond that, it's challenging to comment further without veering into overtly political territory…
 

Lucky for me I have a son here who has been his whole life in this area. He is the financial manager of a business
in town, he sees all the info, he hears all the praises and complaints and if I need an expert for something who
won't jack up a cost, he advises me.
Now mind you, he does not gossip about what he knows, he simply says, go to so & so for that. No kickbacks
just honest down home supporting honest businesses.
Online, there are too many Google Professors, type in a name/phrase and just post whatever comes up that sounds
like it fits the narrative.
When I ask for help/advice here in this forum, I love it when I get your own personal experiences so I can sift through them
and find the one that best matches my situation and go from there. The reason I will ask is... I have already googled
all those things and none helped me in the least, probably confused me more.
 
I spend a lot of time on this computer attempting to verify what these so called experts have to say. Most often, they are far off the mark.

I don't have to look up what some folks will say when it comes to medical topics. I already know due to my back ground, but it boggles the mind as to what some people believe is fact.
 
Lucky for me I have a son here who has been his whole life in this area. He is the financial manager of a business
in town, he sees all the info, he hears all the praises and complaints and if I need an expert for something who
won't jack up a cost, he advises me.
Now mind you, he does not gossip about what he knows, he simply says, go to so & so for that. No kickbacks
just honest down home supporting honest businesses.
Online, there are too many Google Professors, type in a name/phrase and just post whatever comes up that sounds
like it fits the narrative.
When I ask for help/advice here in this forum, I love it when I get your own personal experiences so I can sift through them
and find the one that best matches my situation and go from there. The reason I will ask is... I have already googled
all those things and none helped me in the least, probably confused me more.
The topic for this thread "Can you believe anything anymore?". Discussions about stuff doesn't need to produce a solution all the time. :) Hearing from others is very important in communication.

What a breath of fresh air your post is! It’s always wonderful to hear about a family member who is not only in the know but uses their powers for good—like a local superhero in a nice tie, steering loved ones toward honest help and not toward the “guy down the street who claims he can fix anything, but whose last job ended with three leftover screws and a confused expression.” Having a real person offer advice, without hidden motives or kickbacks, is like finding bacon in your salad—unexpected but greatly appreciated.

Honestly, your take on “Google Professors” gave me a good chuckle! Sometimes, online advice does feel like it was written by someone who skimmed a twenty-second blog post before declaring themselves the next Socrates. Nothing beats real-world experience, especially when forum friends share the secrets that Google leaves out, like which plumber brings dog treats or which mechanic will actually call back before 2027.
So, thank you for reminding everyone here that sharing our personal stories isn’t just welcome, it’s essential. The beauty of a good forum is the blend of wisdom, oddball anecdotes, and neighborly support. May your son continue to direct you toward the good folks, and may your inbox always be full of friendly advice—preferably the kind that doesn’t involve the words “as per my search results…”.
 
The topic for this thread "Can you believe anything anymore?". Discussions about stuff doesn't need to produce a solution all the time. :) Hearing from others is very important in communication.

What a breath of fresh air your post is! It’s always wonderful to hear about a family member who is not only in the know but uses their powers for good—like a local superhero in a nice tie, steering loved ones toward honest help and not toward the “guy down the street who claims he can fix anything, but whose last job ended with three leftover screws and a confused expression.” Having a real person offer advice, without hidden motives or kickbacks, is like finding bacon in your salad—unexpected but greatly appreciated.

Honestly, your take on “Google Professors” gave me a good chuckle! Sometimes, online advice does feel like it was written by someone who skimmed a twenty-second blog post before declaring themselves the next Socrates. Nothing beats real-world experience, especially when forum friends share the secrets that Google leaves out, like which plumber brings dog treats or which mechanic will actually call back before 2027.
So, thank you for reminding everyone here that sharing our personal stories isn’t just welcome, it’s essential. The beauty of a good forum is the blend of wisdom, oddball anecdotes, and neighborly support. May your son continue to direct you toward the good folks, and may your inbox always be full of friendly advice—preferably the kind that doesn’t involve the words “as per my search results…”.
@Paco Dennis the best thing is, what advice I have gotten from members here has done me right, all very good results so far So Thanks to all for sharing your experiences with us all.
 
I spend a lot of time on this computer attempting to verify what these so called experts have to say. Most often, they are far off the mark.

The question here is, how do you know? If everything has a bias, and everything is self-serving, what is true?

Of course, another problem today is that some people feel as though they need to have strong opinions about just about everything - often driven by Social Media algorithm. They think they're free thinkers and "have done their research". Instead, they blindly follow the algorithm
 
Like we are hynotized!:eek:

Yes, but it's more insidious. It's control without any overt indication of being controlled. We simply think it's how everyone feels, we're in the majority right?

There isn't an algorythm in use that isn't about a) Getting you to click more often; b) Therefore giving you more of what it already knows you want.

This is the very opposite of "research". I'm not even sure, given the history the net has of us, that true independent research is possible. It was once simply the likes of what newspaper you read, such as the Daily Mail. But now it's upted its game with online algorithms.
 


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