Canada Stands Up for LGBT People!

Debby

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Right this moment, the Liberal Government of Canada is announcing official protections for LGBT people in Canada! I'm so proud of our country this moment! This reflects the kind of values that would make every country stronger; kindness, freedom from discrimination, compassion, etc. Truly a momentous day.
 

I had no idea what LGBT was for. So I looked it up. 'Gays'. Now I know.

What does your countries laws do for them now, with this new passage?
 

After listening to them talk about the bill that just got passed by the government, I guess the significance of it is that the government officially recognizes the right of those groups to freedom from discrimination in every area of their lives and adds them to the list of those whom you may not discriminate, race, gender, religion and now sexual orientation. I think it also recognizes the rights of minors who wish to transition. This is the third time the bill went through the House, and it was defeated previously (bathroom issues I heard someone say) but this time it was passed. And I think one of the reasons that it is significant is that it isn't just a shift in the attitudes of part of our society but that when the government of a country officials recognizes a group, it lends weight to that societal shift and puts those who aren't so tolerant on notice, that those people that are newly being 'protected' have the weight of law behind them.
 
I had no idea what LGBT was for. So I looked it up. 'Gays'. Now I know.

What does your countries laws do for them now, with this new passage?

It's a lot more than that, Bob.
Lesbian
Gay
Bisexual
Transgendered (which has now been expanded to include not only legitimately transgendered people but deluded ones who "identify" as the sex they are not -- and who are the ones that all the rest room hoopla is about)
 
Way to go, Canada.

I'm not sure of the exact legislation in the UK but I know it's illegal to discriminate against LGBT's.
 
It's a lot more than that, Bob.
Lesbian
Gay
Bisexual
Transgendered (which has now been expanded to include not only legitimately transgendered people but deluded ones who "identify" as the sex they are not -- and who are the ones that all the rest room hoopla is about)

Transgender: Denoting or relating to a person whose sense of personal identity and gender does not correspond with their birth sex.

So, what do you see as 'legitimate' transgender and those who you claim are 'deluded' and identify as the opposite sex. Same thing. The people you are all getting your knickers in a twist over are supposedly straight men who dress up as women (yea, right) so they can molest women or girls in the ladies room.

FYI, transgenders have been using the same public bathroom as you forever.
 
'..not only legitimately transgendered people but deluded ones who "identify" as the sex they are not'

As I've said elsewhere here, researchers have discovered that the brains of transgender people are physically different than those of
heterosexual folks. It is not a choice that they are making on a whim but is an actual divergence of brain structures compared to ******* structures. Not their fault and not the result of any delusions. The fact that they haven't transitioned (yet) is neither here nor there and especially as it may relate to a host of issues with cost being chief among them I would think.

So I think referring to people who haven't yet transitioned as 'deluded ones who identify as the sex they are not', would actually be the kind of phrasing that our new bill is addressing because that kind of thinking would open those people up to the possibility of discrimination.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20032-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan/

'...
They found significant differences between male and female brains in four regions of white matter – and the female-to-male transsexual people had white matter in these regions that resembled a male brain (Journal of Psychiatric Research, DOI: 10.1016/j.jpsychires.2010.05.006). “It’s the first time it has been shown that the brains of female-to-male transsexual people are masculinised,” Guillamon says.
In a separate study, the team used the same technique to compare white matter in 18 male-to-female transsexual people with that in 19 males and 19 females. Surprisingly, in each transsexual person’s brain the structure of the white matter in the four regions was halfway between that of the males and females (Journal of Psychiatric Research, DOI: 10.1016/j.jpsychires.2010.11.007)....'


 
This bathroom issue is a bit out place as many areas of the US have been made to order for those types. Many places have bathrooms for family where all can mix in, once in lock the door for privacy. Or for the disadvantages ones in wheel chairs or otherwise handicapped. Easy to enter and then lock the door for privacy. In the regular bathrooms enter the stalls and close and lock the stall doors. The only place I can think of that has open visibility is the area of urinals for men to use. In some restrooms even the urinals are separated by walls.

So what is the big deal about? Maybe in the school systems they are not as well set up.

Many I have visited in fuel stations or restaurants are for single use only, so no big problems.
 
Debby, I am not surprised at this discovery. I look forward to a day when people are judged on the content of their character, rather than their chromosomes. Truly, this fear of projected bathroom assaults is unfounded, NO DATA WHATSOEVER to back it

up. As a therapist, I am both saddened, and frustrated by attempts to stir up controversy over gender identification. Appealing to people's fear of that which is "different" risks inciting the very violence such individuals are so concerned about--not against


"helpless" women and girls, but against ANYONE possibly perceived as a threat. That frightens me. One step away from mob violence.
 
Hi Shalimar, and first, I have to make a correction sadly....the bill has not been passed....yet. Apparently similar private members bills have been put forward about six times in the last few years but each time it's been disputed and refused ultimately by the Senate and yes, for the bathroom issues reason apparently. This time, the government will most likely without a doubt get it passed in the House of Commons because all three parties are on record that they think it's a great change. Buuuut, it still has to get through the Senate and who knows if they will pass it finally. So I'm gladdened but saddened too. Fingers crossed!

I think you're right Shalimar to a degree that the world needs this change! Because it is one more sign that we're beginning to recognize that we're better off as a whole when we live in harmony even with people that we don't identify with or maybe don't understand exactly because they're a little bit different. But you know, I'll bet before cars were common, just a new invention in fact, I'll bet there were people who happily pontificated over the evil of the horseless carriages and how it would be a mistake and unsafe to replace good, reliable horses and buggies. So maybe this uproar and fearfulness, loudly exclaimed throughout the land, is just part of the process and happens every time there is growth in the social body. Do you think that would be a fair thing to say?

I sure hope it passes because I felt really good about it going through. Standing with the ministers as they announced the bill, was a ten year old girl who spoke of her experiences at being bullied by school mates because they didn't understand what she's going through or coming to grips with or whatever. I so admired her courage and how articulate she seem for her age.
 
Hi Debby, I watched the little girl also, what a brave child. Some of our most famous activists began as children. Remember Craig Kielberger (sp.?) He was inspired by the martyred twelve year old child in India, murdered for attempting to improve the lot of exploited kids. I think you are bang on in your assessment of the reaction re certain types of societal growth. I am hopeful this measure will pass the senate.
 
Say what you like, but for a human being with a ***** and testicles to identify as a female is just plain nuts (pardon the pun). It is the brain that activates hormones, that cause puberty, and dominant as well secondary sexual characteristics.

Now, I would hate to think that so many people of my generation are as deluded as these misguided children, but there it is.

I have female organs, my female sexual characteristics are controlled by my female brain, and even if I wanted to identify as male, I would not be male.

An addict's brain is different from a non-addict's, so it is not the addict's fault they are an addict. And some addicts will deny they are addicts. But when one is shooting up heroin he doesn't pretend he is drinking chocolate milk. He knows what he is doing.
 
Hmmm. I respectfully disagree Guitarist. I bet my career and my qualifications on this one. I don't quantify myself as deluded.
I also find the allusions to addiction and chocolate milk very confusing.
 
Last time I checked I was biologically female. If I were 25 again magically...might I have stayed female and be butch? Might I have become trans-gendered? Looking at me now just from appearance I'm the universal petite grandma. But always more comfortable in the masculine. You can't paste stereotypes on people...really.
 


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