Canadian government settles residential class action suit.

I predict that....It will NEVER be enough money to satisfy the people with their hands out, wanting more and more money. You may be "pleased " but I will point out your feelings are not shared by many non Indian Canadians, especially those who came to Canada in the past few decades who had nothing to do with any residential schools. Why would a family who came to Canada in the 1990's from South Africa, or Serbia, be paying through their Federal taxes, for some thing they had nothing to do with ? Answer me that question? JimB.
 
WhatInThe said:
Short/over simplified but I think those are the same schools where they found mass graves and had reports of decades of abuse while to westernize native peoples.
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This particular compensation speaks to only one aspect of a highly complex situation. The churches were the first to pay compensation for years of abuse. The recent and ongoing discovery of mass graves has yet to come before the courts, but I am certain it will.
 
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fuzzybuddy said:
Sorry, I'm not familiar with what that was, or why it's important to Canadians.
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The OP forgot to give exact details about this TWO BILLION DOLLAR gift to natives who attended "day schools " Individuals get $10,000 each, and a 50 million dollar fund has been set up to provide help, what ever that means. This is just ONE of the many billion dollar giveaways that the Feds have been handing out over the past years. Link.Residential school day scholars can now apply for compensation under settlement | CBC News Link. Federal budget pledges $18B in new money for Indigenous communities (aptnnews.ca)
The last census showed that about one and a half million Natives live in Canada, which now has a national population approaching 40 million people. So a group that is about 5 percent of the nation population is once again "the tail that is wagging the dog ". JImB.
 
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The OP forgot to give exact details about this TWO BILLION DOLLAR gift to natives who attended "day schools " Individuals get $10,000 each, and a 50 million dollar fund has been set up to provide help, what ever that means. This is just ONE of the many billion dollar giveaways that the Feds have been handing out over the past years. Link.Residential school day scholars can now apply for compensation under settlement | CBC News Link. Federal budget pledges $18B in new money for Indigenous communities (aptnnews.ca)
The last census showed that about one and a half million Natives live in Canada, which now has a national population approaching 40 million people. So a group that is about 5 percent of the nation population is once again "the tail that is wagging the dog ". JImB.
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That sounds just like California!
 
jimintoronto said:
The OP forgot to give exact details about this TWO BILLION DOLLAR gift to natives who attended "day schools " Individuals get $10,000 each, and a 50 million dollar fund has been set up to provide help, what ever that means. This is just ONE of the many billion dollar giveaways that the Feds have been handing out over the past years. Link.Residential school day scholars can now apply for compensation under settlement | CBC News Link. Federal budget pledges $18B in new money for Indigenous communities (aptnnews.ca)
The last census showed that about one and a half million Natives live in Canada, which now has a national population approaching 40 million people. So a group that is about 5 percent of the nation population is once again "the tail that is wagging the dog ". JImB.
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Day schools? Many were dragged screaming from their parents and forcibly boarded in residential schools where they remained for years, beaten for speaking their indigenous language, at the mercy of paedophiles, often underfed. Straw argument. There are also thousands of dead First

Nations children buried in unmarked graves near residential schools. At what percentage point do their deaths matter? Let us remember also, many northern tribes remain without clean water, and have done so for many years, law enforcement, in northern communities in particular, often applies violence when arresting such. I recall such tactics in arresting a Chief. Quite the uproar.
 
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There are thousands of dead First Nations children buried in unmarked graves near residential schools. At what percentage point do their deaths matter?
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All should matter... no matter the %.

We have had similar problems here in the US, from my house I can still see the old "I" on the mountain above what used to be the Intermountain Indian School, less than a mile away. It was one of the newer ones, so probably fewer such things, but still not a good place.

Knowing how and if to compensate for past injustice is a hard thing. We struggle with it in respect to slavery as well...

IntermountainIndianSchoolLetter.jpeg
 
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Shalimar said:
Day schools? Many were dragged screaming from their parents and forcibly boarded in residential schools where they remained for years, beaten for speaking their indigenous language, at the mercy of paedophiles, often underfed. Straw argument. There are also thousands of dead First

Nations children buried in unmarked graves near residential schools. At what percentage point do their deaths matter? Let us remember also, many northern tribes remain without clean water, and have done so for many years, law enforcement, in northern communities in particular, often applies violence when arresting such. I recall such tactics in arresting a Chief. Quite the uproar.
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I posted a link about the 2 billion dollar payout to "Indian School Day students " and you ignored it. I guess it doesn't fit with your narrative of Indians Good... White People Bad. Please direct me to a reputable recent exhumation story that resulted in actual body parts that could be connected to a child by date of death? You keep banging on about "unmarked graves " . Your bias is really obvious and well known. Jimb.
 
Shalimar said:
I am very pleased to read this morning that our federal government has settled the residential school class action suit for 2.8 billion dollars. Perhaps now, truth and reconciliation will truly be possible.
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You would be less pleased if you got sick and had to lie in the hallway of one of our hospitals because there is no room for you, never mind a bed. Maybe there is no doctor or maybe you have to wait so long in the emergency waiting room that you die. It has happened.

You would be less pleased too if you were a senior on a fixed income and your rent was increase so high that you had to move out because you can't afford the rent.

You would be less pleased if you were a single mother with children and had to decided which to pay: groceries to feed the family or pay the rent but no money to pay both.

Anyway, it's nice that there is so much money in this country for certain things. If you are interested in this issue, please read the following:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...school-band-class-action-settlement-1.6722014
 
jimintoronto said:
I posted a link about the 2 billion dollar payout to "Indian School Day students " and you ignored it. I guess it doesn't fit with your narrative of Indians Good... White People Bad. Please direct me to a reputable recent exhumation story that resulted in actual body parts that could be connected to a child by date of death? You keep banging on about "unmarked graves " . Your bias is really obvious and well known. Jimb.
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You may not still be here but here’s a few links for you to look at


Saskatchewan: More than 750 unmarked graves found on site of former indigenous school in Canada. It comes after the remains of 215 children, some as young as three, were found at another school. Investigators have found more than 750 unmarked graves at the site of a former indigenous school in Canada.Jun 25, 2021

https://news.sky.com/story/saskatch...f-former-indigenous-school-in-canada-12340959

Unmarked graves containing the remains of 215 children have been found in Canada at a former residential school set up to assimilate indigenous people. The children were students at the Kamloops Indian Residential School in British Columbia that closed in 1978.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57291530

Canada's unmarked graves: How residential schools carried out "cultural genocide" against indigenous children. In May 2021, when archeologists detected what they believed to be 200 unmarked graves at an old school in Canada, it brought new attention to one of the most shameful chapters of that nation's history.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/canada...es-indigenous-children-60-minutes-2023-02-12/

Article content. Bodies of children were not returned to families, and parents rarely learned the circumstances of a child's death. Often, the only death notification would be to send the child's name to the Indian Agent at his or her home of community.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canad...artbreaking-death-toll-of-residential-schools

Have 93 suspected graves been found at former residential school in British Columbia?


The nation announced a year ago that the initial phase of its investigation had uncovered 93 “reflections” indicative of human burials. Combined, both phases have identified 159 possible unmarked graves.

https://vancouversun.com/news/local...d-search-for-graves-at-b-c-residential-school

This type of death from horrendous abuse crossed the borders into the US.

A first-of-its-kind federal study of Native American boarding schools that for more than a century sought to assimilate indigenous children into white society has identified more than 400 such schools that were supported by the US government and more than 50 associated burial sites, a figure that could grow substantially.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/11/native-american-children-schools-abuse-burial-sites
 
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You would be less pleased if you got sick and had to lie in the hallway of one of our hospitals because there is no room for you, never mind a bed. Maybe there is no doctor or maybe you have to wait so long in the emergency waiting room that you die. It has happened.

You would be less pleased too if you were a senior on a fixed income and your rent was increase so high that you had to move out because you can't afford the rent.

You would be less pleased if you were a single mother with children and had to decided which to pay: groceries to feed the family or pay the rent but no money to pay both.

Anyway, it's nice that there is so much money in this country for certain things. If you are interested in this issue, please read the following:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...school-band-class-action-settlement-1.6722014
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Not as displeased as the mothers of children who were ripped from their arms because the government decided that they were savages and tortured them to death then hid their remains.
 
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@PeppermintPatty thanks for posting the links. This certainly is disturbing, as I suspect the US is just as guilty as Canada. What most of these articles lack is much important detail.

Like what killed these kids, abuse, malnutrition, illness they brought to the schools, or something else. I am sure there is more than one answer, but some statistics would be useful. Also when did these deaths occur, I see dates as late as the 1990s was that when many occurred, or just a few? And how did the death rates of kids in these schools compare to death rates of other kids at the time, I believe it was higher, but without statistics its hard to know how much and ever if that is true. Not suggesting this isn't an awful thing, but I would like to better understand.

I can see some remnants of the Intermountain Indian School from my house, it was very close. It was still open when my family moved to Utah in the 60s, I got to know a few of the kids. The ones I knew did not complain about the school so much as they did about missing family. Some of the graduates still maintain the bit whitewashed "I" on the mountain above where the school was. I can see it out my window now.

IntermountainIndianSchoolLetter.jpeg

Not my picture, but what I can see from here.
 
jimintoronto said:
I predict that....It will NEVER be enough money to satisfy the people with their hands out, wanting more and more money. You may be "pleased " but I will point out your feelings are not shared by many non Indian Canadians, especially those who came to Canada in the past few decades who had nothing to do with any residential schools. Why would a family who came to Canada in the 1990's from South Africa, or Serbia, be paying through their Federal taxes, for some thing they had nothing to do with ? Answer me that question? JimB.
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Why would you or bolded family have any say over how federal $$$ are appropriated? Doling out federal funds is the responsibility of the federal government. What comes across in your response is that you feel guilty and just want what happened (atrocities) to be forgotten. It's the same position taken by many just south of your border on slavery and ethnic cleansing of Native Americans. Guilty feelings, uncomfortableness, I wasn't living when the atrocities occurred, etc. etc.

It's a positive step by the Canadian gov't!!!
 
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@PeppermintPatty thanks for posting the links. This certainly is disturbing, as I suspect the US is just as guilty as Canada. What most of these articles lack is much important detail.

Like what killed these kids, abuse, malnutrition, illness they brought to the schools, or something else. I am sure there is more than one answer, but some statistics would be useful. Also when did these deaths occur, I see dates as late as the 1990s was that when many occurred, or just a few? And how did the death rates of kids in these schools compare to death rates of other kids at the time, I believe it was higher, but without statistics its hard to know how much and ever if that is true. Not suggesting this isn't an awful thing, but I would like to better understand.

I can see some remnants of the Intermountain Indian School from my house, it was very close. It was still open when my family moved to Utah in the 60s, I got to know a few of the kids. The ones I knew did not complain about the school so much as they did about missing family. Some of the graduates still maintain the bit whitewashed "I" on the mountain above where the school was. I can see it out my window now.

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Not my picture, but what I can see from here.
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Yes this abuse crossed the border to the United States . More the 400 schools that were supported by the US government and over 50 burial SITES , not graves were discovered after Canadas native America grave sites were discovered. The abuse was similar in both countries.

Survivors recall being beaten and strapped; some students were shackled to their beds; some had needles shoved in their tongues for speaking their native languages. These abuses, along with overcrowding, poor sanitation, and severely inadequate food and health care, resulted in a shockingly high death toll.

https://indigenousfoundations.arts.ubc.ca/the_residential_school_system/

They suffered physical, sexual, cultural, spiritual abuse, neglect, and experienced treatment that in many cases constituted torture for speaking their Native languages.” These acts were covered up though, creating a false pretense of helping others due to misunderstood prejudices.

Here are some of them from the over 400 schools found.

Phoenix Indian School - Spirits Unbroken by Colonization | Intermountain Histories

boarding schools were there in Oklahoma?

76 boarding schools

Where were Native American boarding schools located in Oklahoma? The federal government paid the bills of 76 boarding schools for Native American children in Oklahoma. Most of the schools first opened their doors when the region was known as Indian Territory.

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/new...ng-schools-report-oklahoma-indian/9795807002/

Students were forced to cut their hair, change their names, stop speaking their Native languages, convert to Christianity, and endure abusive disciplinary measures like solitary confinement. While many children returned to their families, more than 180 children died while attending the school.

https://www.nsvrc.org/blogs/remembering-children-native-american-residential-schools

The residential school system harmed Indigenous children significantly by removing them from their families, depriving them of their ancestral languages, and exposing many of them to physical and sexual abuse. Conditions in the schools led to student malnutrition, starvation, and disease.
 
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Here is a viewpoint from a Canadian. You might know that I am politically incorrect but I was born and raised in this country and I want to say the following:
1. I am not going to feel guilty about what happened 130 plus years ago. It was a different time and folks thought differently. 130 years from now people will laugh at the stupid things we are doing today.
2. There will never be enough money to solve this Aboriginal problem. The government will keep giving and giving and giving and giving and the Aboriginals will keep taking and taking and taking and taking.
3. Both my mother and father came from Europe. They ended up farming and they worked very hard. No one ever gave them any free handouts.
4. What the hack is the problem with unmarked graves. Those kids died maybe 130 years ago. Ever watch Gunsmoke or Rawhide. When someone died, they buried them and put on a simple wooden cross. There were no fancy stone masons around. Those wooden crosses rotted away after a couple of years. Can't understand why folks figure that all these graves should be marked after 130 years? It just doesn't make sense.
 
Packerjohn said:
Here is a viewpoint from a Canadian. You might know that I am politically incorrect but I was born and raised in this country and I want to say the following:
1. I am not going to feel guilty about what happened 130 plus years ago. It was a different time and folks thought differently. 130 years from now people will laugh at the stupid things we are doing today.
2. There will never be enough money to solve this Aboriginal problem. The government will keep giving and giving and giving and giving and the Aboriginals will keep taking and taking and taking and taking.
3. Both my mother and father came from Europe. They ended up farming and they worked very hard. No one ever gave them any free handouts.
4. What the hack is the problem with unmarked graves. Those kids died maybe 130 years ago. Ever watch Gunsmoke or Rawhide. When someone died, they buried them and put on a simple wooden cross. There were no fancy stone masons around. Those wooden crosses rotted away after a couple of years. Can't understand why folks figure that all these graves should be marked after 130 years? It just doesn't make sense.
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At least for the Kamloops school in British Columbia, which got a ton of press, the story about about mass graves containing the remains of native children was debunked. https://nypost.com/2022/05/27/kamloops-mass-grave-debunked-biggest-fake-news-in-canada/

In any case, I agree, John, even 50 years ago our thinking was quite different than it is today. Barely a region in the world exists that wasn't conquered and its native people eliminated or nearly eliminated clear up into the 21st Century. It's happening right now in China, Africa, northwestern Myanmar, and Syria. I'm no more responsible for those tragedies than I am the tragedy of slavery in the US, outlawed about 160 years ago.
 

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