Cannabis is Legal in Canada

Old Salt said:
No one in Canada is an advocate of selling Cannabis to adolescents, Della! It is illegal here because the brain is still developing. And we've kept alcohol legal, even though many get addicted to it.
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Once it's legal it's going to be in a lot more homes and a lot more adolescents will get hold of it. Just like adolescents always manage to get hold of alcohol even though it's not legal to sell it to anyone under 18.

Alcohol has been served in churches, at weddings, dinners, private homes, clubs and restaurants as part of social and religious life for thousands of years. Marijuana has not. There is no reason to keep comparing the two. We do not need to bring it into the marketplace anymore than we need to have meth shops next to the Dairy Queen.
 
Della said:
Once it's legal it's going to be in a lot more homes and a lot more adolescents will get hold of it. Just like adolescents always manage to get hold of alcohol even though it's not legal to sell it to anyone under 18.

Alcohol has been served in churches, at weddings, dinners, private homes, clubs and restaurants as part of social and religious life for thousands of years. Marijuana has not. There is no reason to keep comparing the two. We do not need to bring it into the marketplace anymore than we need to have meth shops next to the Dairy Queen.
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I respect your opinion, Della.
 
mrstime said:
I got high once and absolutely hated it! However, I buy pot pills,no high at all, they help me get to sleep.
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I never got high on anything in my life and I was on strong pain relievers for some time! I always wondered what it would be like! I tried Cannabis after it was made legal ... zilch! No effect from drops or edibles! And every time I had a few drinks in the past I got sleepy before I got high! :LOL:
 
Old Salt said:
I never got high on anything in my life and I was on strong pain relievers for some time! I always wondered what it would be like! I tried Cannabis after it was made legal ... zilch! No effect from drops or edibles! And every time I had a few drinks in the past I got sleepy before I got high! :LOL:
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I understand it takes a few times smoking to get the high. But the high was nasty and went on for hours!
 
Della said:
That's what I really don't get. We've already got alcohol which causes all sorts of problems, but it's been a legal part of our society and traditions for thousands of years, and we tried making it illegal and it didn't work so we're stuck with it.

Why add another mind altering drug to the mix? Once it's been made legal for a while it will be just as hard to get rid of, no matter what we learn about the long term effects. It may not be as bad as alcohol but it does impair driving skills and it does change the brain of young users. Mexican cartels are already running the farms in California.

We just didn't need this. Alcohol and marijuana aren't brother and sister that we need to treat fairly. We're stuck with one we don't need to adopt another one just because she's not quite as bad.
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You answered your question in the first paragraph. Keeping it illegal doesn't work.
 
Hey Pilgrim! There are just way too many people on this planet. If they want to shoot each other and then they want to overdose on drugs let 'em. Most of the time the good will survive but the rest; well, let's just call it "Freedom." Everyone has choices! It's Capitalism!
 
OlderThanDirt said:
You answered your question in the first paragraph. Keeping it illegal doesn't work.
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I was talking about alcohol and named the reasons that prohibition didn't work for alcohol (tradition, deeply ingrained in our society's meals, ceremonies and religion) none of which applies in the case of marijuana.

How well do you think making marijuana legal is working, have you noticed great improvements in our world? What recreational drugs do you want us to legalize next? If freeing up beds in prisons is your only concern we can make all sorts of things legal.

  1. Marijuana use causes violent behavior through increased aggressiveness, paranoia, and personality changes (more suspicious, aggressive, and anger).
  2. Recent illicit and “medical marijuana” (especially grown by care givers for medical marijuana) is of much high potency and more likely to cause violent behavior.
  3. Marijuana use and its adverse effects should be considered in cases of acts of violence as its role is properly assigned to its high association.
  4. Recognize that high potency marijuana is a predictable and preventable cause of tragic violent consequences.
A Review of Cases of Marijuana and Violence

People who came of age in the 1940's (at least those who were likely to watch sexploitation films) believed "Reefer Madness" was the last word on marijuana. People like us who came of age in the 70's believed the conventional wisdom that it was harmless and made everyone sweet and mellow. They were both wrong. It's time for us all to grow up and believe the science.
 
@Della, I read how you have a reasoned, well-meaning opinion about the subject that is commonly given from those against legalization.

Consider how there are dominant numbers of citizens that grew up in the Counterculture Era that don't have the issues of a minority with low self control that abuse do, and have lived so discreetly over decades. Same with alcohol and prescription medicines. Consider how use of alcohol and prescription medicines is of significant enjoyment and value for many that don't have issues using such, especially occasionally socially and for medical issues.

The reason use of weed will never again be suppressed is way too many others have learned to enjoy it safely especially with music one of we human's greatest loves. Its illegal markets are now, way too embedded and difficult to successfully uncover without resorting to severe suppression of liberties. That may have been effective 5 decades ago if Nixon had his way but was not supported by American citizens.

There are a list of social ills that affect minorities of our population we citizens with reasonable attitudes ought decide a balance with. For this person, there are numbers of things I personally would not participate in that once such became embedded in culture and society, won't stand in the way of allowing others to do so as long as they do so discreetly without significantly negatively affecting the rest of us, especially children.

For example I consider porn personally negative but as a Counterculture person have long subscribed to a "Let It Be" and "Live and Let Live" attitudes. In that way have known and even worked with many acquaintances with opposing views without conflict just like not talking about religion and politics with some. But of course that has limits. Society places a line in the sand where that affects children and with adults, no one for example is allowed to walk around in public naked. Much more.

One example of how repression drove citizens underground and unfairly persecuted many is with music.

How Weed Influenced American Jazz

https://www.cannabisculture.com/content/2017/12/01/weed-influenced-american-jazz/

To Be Blunt: Cannabis is an integral part of jazz history in America - Daily Trojan

For those unfamiliar that do not understand inner space explorers, despite decades since this was published, below link is still the most accurate perceptual description, though has been suppressed by medical and commercial weed interests who thought it would affect legalization by being too recreationally positive.

The Effects of Marijuana on Consciousness
 
Della said:
I was talking about alcohol and named the reasons that prohibition didn't work for alcohol (tradition, deeply ingrained in our society's meals, ceremonies and religion) none of which applies in the case of marijuana.

How well do you think making marijuana legal is working, have you noticed great improvements in our world? What recreational drugs do you want us to legalize next? If freeing up beds in prisons is your only concern we can make all sorts of things legal.

  1. Marijuana use causes violent behavior through increased aggressiveness, paranoia, and personality changes (more suspicious, aggressive, and anger).
  2. Recent illicit and “medical marijuana” (especially grown by care givers for medical marijuana) is of much high potency and more likely to cause violent behavior.
  3. Marijuana use and its adverse effects should be considered in cases of acts of violence as its role is properly assigned to its high association.
  4. Recognize that high potency marijuana is a predictable and preventable cause of tragic violent consequences.
A Review of Cases of Marijuana and Violence

People who came of age in the 1940's (at least those who were likely to watch sexploitation films) believed "Reefer Madness" was the last word on marijuana. People like us who came of age in the 70's believed the conventional wisdom that it was harmless and made everyone sweet and mellow. They were both wrong. It's time for us all to grow up and believe the science.
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Hey- I came up in the 60s. Everyone I know smoked pot in college. Most of us still do (or take the lovely little edibles that I can buy down the street). I know of virtually no one who has gotten into any kind of trouble with it. I have a couple of college degrees, am retired from years of being a social worker, and am generally considered a model citizen. My millennial children are incredibly successful and delightful humans. The only folks of my generation I know that have gotten into issues with substances have become alcoholics. My pot head friends and relatives are just fine, thanks. I don't think it's a good idea to overuse anything, but most folks I know are just fine with a little pot here and there.
Most folks, when high on pot, hang out and listen to music and eat cookies. It can be fattening- that is a problem. I am well aware that the potency these days is higher- which is exactly why it should be legal and regulated. And you know what, vodka is more potent than beer. What's your point?
Meanwhile, there are tons of non violent "criminals" who were imprisoned for years for a drug that is generally not as toxic as alcohol. Making it illegal doesn't stop the use- never has, never will. Prohibition is absurd. And your blaming the ills of this society, a society that no longer has a middle class, a society where young folks can't afford to go to college, where kids see the affects of unregulated capitalism on the damned planet and fear they have no future, on POT is beyond ridiculous.
Plus, in point of fact, violent crime in our cities has actually been decreasing since the 1990s. I was a psychiatric social worker for 40 years on both coasts of the US and believe me, pot isn't the problem. Thank you for your time. I am going to take a nice, regulated, legal THC gummy (5 mgs indica- very nice for insomnia- a lot less harmful than Ambien), and go to sleep. Peace out.
 
Balzac said:
In Canada, DC etc, is it actually legal in the sense that it can be openly sold in licensed retail outlets and regulatted for strength? Or has it merely been decriminalised? By which I mean, do you still have to go to a dealer for your supply...a dealer who may try to get you to try other, less healthy products, and who cannot guarantee the purity of what he provides..
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There are licensed government outlets. You cannot sample it. It is sold in jars now.
 
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