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Aunt Marg said:
Too bad the driver didn't accelerate right over a few of them.
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I was thinking that but the driver had his mom in the car and probably was hoping they would eventually just go away. Apparently the same gang also attacked a cab.

Every now and then I see stories of the these "bicyclists". They're usually teens. Around here they frequently hog the road doing wheelies and other tricks and get nasty if you challenge them. I guess this a poor mans Sons of Anarchy ie bicycles instead of motorcycles.
 

WhatInThe said:
I was thinking that but the driver had his mom in the car and probably was hoping they would eventually just go away. Apparently the same gang also attacked a cab.

Every now and then I see stories of the these "bicyclists". They're usually teens. Around here they frequently hog the road doing wheelies and other tricks and get nasty if you challenge them. I guess this a poor mans Sons of Anarchy ie bicycles instead of motorcycles.
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There's no way I would have been able to sit there like that and allow scum to carry on doing what they were doing.

I would have closed my eyes and pinned the vehicle.

As for the police, shame on them. A call to a few other squad cars within the general vicinity IMO would have rewarded the police with at least a few of the gang. I mean where did a gang of low-life's disappear to so quickly?

I'm relieved that they weren't able to break any side windows and get at the occupants of the vehicle, who knows what would have happened.
 
Well, if bicyclists threatened my safety, they would quickly learn that when a car & a bike fight, the bike loses.
 
There seems to be a nationwide problem with crime right now. I thought the car jackings thing was just in Minneapolis, where the police are warning people to lock their cars as they enter the city, it is so bad right now. However, according to what the OP linked, this is happening nationwide. What is going on? Why the sudden spike in crime all over the US?

Tony
 
tbeltrans said:
There seems to be a nationwide problem with crime right now. I thought the car jackings thing was just in Minneapolis, where the police are warning people to lock their cars as they enter the city, it is so bad right now. However, according to what the OP linked, this is happening nationwide. What is going on? Why the sudden spike in crime all over the US?

Tony
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Are you kidding? There has been a national "defund the police" movement and police departments everywhere have been portrayed as brutal thugs. Budgets have been cut and experienced officers are leaving the force in droves. No cop wants to take action against black teens like these cyclists, because he/she knows that the city will not support any actions taken. Meanwhile municipal governments are decriminalizing formerly criminal activities, removing bail requirements and otherwise emboldening the bad elements in their communities. I'm surprised it's not worse, especially in NYC, Seattle, LA, SF and other places where the inmates run the asylums.
 
tbeltrans said:
There seems to be a nationwide problem with crime right now. I thought the car jackings thing was just in Minneapolis, where the police are warning people to lock their cars as they enter the city, it is so bad right now. However, according to what the OP linked, this is happening nationwide. What is going on? Why the sudden spike in crime all over the US?

Tony
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In part because the police are being vilified, and are being micro-managed by the public. They are also not being supported by the vociferous public in general. The police are never going to be perfect, and there will always be those that oppose their procedures . But if people wish not to have a negative interaction with them, it is really quite simple. ... Behave. Do not engage with them in an adversarial manner.

Until we support the police , in a way that discourages crime, crime will rise ....plain & simple .

jmo.
 
JimBob1952 said:
Are you kidding? There has been a national "defund the police" movement and police departments everywhere have been portrayed as brutal thugs. Budgets have been cut and experienced officers are leaving the force in droves. No cop wants to take action against black teens like these cyclists, because he/she knows that the city will not support any actions taken. Meanwhile municipal governments are decriminalizing formerly criminal activities, removing bail requirements and otherwise emboldening the bad elements in their communities. I'm surprised it's not worse, especially in NYC, Seattle, LA, SF and other places where the inmates run the asylums.
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No, I am not kidding! Why on earth would you think that?!?!? My post was rhetorical. I can see that this doesn't go well in this forum so I will never do that again. Promise. :mad:

I am fully aware of the defund police and vilifying police. In Minneapolis, 9 of the 12 members of their city council specifically said "disbanding" the police. Now, with both the spike in crime and pressure from the citizens, including a class action law suit intended to force the city to build up the police to numbers capable of combatting crime, the city council is back-pedaling, but just a bit. Police who are able to retire, having done so. According to the attorney who handles medical issues for the MPD, 200 officers have applied for PTSD. According to state law, if the PTSD claim is supported by a doctor, the office will no longer work and will be paid 80% of his or her salary until retirement age along with medical benefits. How the city expects to maintain a police force with the added expense of all those officers, I just don't see it. For quite some time, the city council and mayor have not supported the police, so this has been brewing for quite some time.

So, no, I am not kidding.

Tony
 
rgp said:
In part because the police are being vilified, and are being micro-managed by the public. They are also not being supported by the vociferous public in general. The police are never going to be perfect, and there will always be those that oppose their procedures . But if people wish not to have a negative interaction with them, it is really quite simple. ... Behave. Do not engage with them in an adversarial manner.

Until we support the police , in a way that discourages crime, crime will rise ....plain & simple .

jmo.
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Please see my response to JimBob1952. I agree with what both you and JimBob1952 have said, and am well aware of the issues in Minneapolis and what I have read of some of the other larger cities.

Tony
 
tbeltrans said:
No, I am not kidding! Why on earth would you think that?!?!? My post was rhetorical. I can see that this doesn't go well in this forum so I will never do that again. Promise. :mad:

I am fully aware of the defund police and vilifying police. In Minneapolis, 9 of the 12 members of their city council specifically said "disbanding" the police. Now, with both the spike in crime and pressure from the citizens, including a class action law suit intended to force the city to build up the police to numbers capable of combatting crime, the city council is back-pedaling, but just a bit. Police who are able to retire, having done so. According to the attorney who handles medical issues for the MPD, 200 officers have applied for PTSD. According to state law, if the PTSD claim is supported by a doctor, the office will no longer work and will be paid 80% of his or her salary until retirement age along with medical benefits. How the city expects to maintain a police force with the added expense of all those officers, I just don't see it. For quite some time, the city council and mayor have not supported the police, so this has been brewing for quite some time.

So, no, I am not kidding.

Tony
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Sorry, missed the rhetorical question there. A lot of SF members are so liberal that they would blame the car occupants for driving a BMW and being guilty of excessive capitalism or some such thing.

We are on a fast downward spiral. I'm glad I won't be around to see the end game.
 
rgp said:
If they had run over a few of them.
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I would have supported it 100%.

If it had been me behind the wheel of that vehicle and someone was trying to break the side windows to get at me, I would exercise any and all means available for me to get myself, as well as my loved ones out of harm's way, and if that meant running over gang members in front, then that's exactly what I would do.

My husband watched the video with me and he said had he been behind the wheel of the vehicle, he would of used the vehicle as a weapon and ran over as many of the bicycle gang as he could have, even going as far as chasing down the gang members one at a time to finish them off.

The members of that bicycle gang are scum, and I hope karma catches up with them.
 
JimBob1952 said:
Sorry, missed the rhetorical question there. A lot of SF members are so liberal that they would blame the car occupants for driving a BMW and being guilty of excessive capitalism or some such thing.

We are on a fast downward spiral. I'm glad I won't be around to see the end game.
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I will try to be much more literal (i.e. direct and to the point) in future posts, in an attempt to minimize any sort of miscommunication. We continually bump up against what is lacking in forum communication as compared to in-person discussion (i.e. tone of voice, body language, facial expression, and timing).

Being 67, I will probably be around to see this play out. Personally, I believe that this downward spiral started in the 1960s when folks decided to remove the social moorings that hold a society together, and then not replace these with anything. From then on, our society seems to have become a sort of rudderless ship, just feeling our way along and making things up as we went. At least, that is my observation from having lived through that period and seeing the progression from there.

It does seem as if "law and order" is not a popular phrase these days and that, I will readily admit, I don't understand. In Minneapolis, I believe we are seeing political correctness finally implode on itself. Whether the city can recover remains to be seen. It is sad to see such a fine city reduced to near anarchy.

Tony
 
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Aunt Marg said:
I would have supported it 100%.

If it had been me behind the wheel of that vehicle and someone was trying to break the side windows to get at me, I would exercise any and all means available for me to get myself, as well as my loved ones out of harm's way, and if that meant running over gang members in front, then that's exactly what I would do.

My husband watched the video with me and he said had he been behind the wheel of the vehicle, he would of used the vehicle as a weapon and ran over as many of the bicycle gang as he could have, even going as far as chasing down the gang members one at a time to finish them off.

The members of that bicycle gang are scum, and I hope karma catches up with them.
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tbeltrans said:
I will try to be much more literal (i.e. direct and to the point) in future posts, in an attempt to minimize any sort of miscommunication. We continually bump up against what is lacking in forum communication as compared to in-person discussion (i.e. tone of voice, body language, facial expression, and timing).

It does seem as if "law and order" is not a popular phrase these days and that, I will admit, I don't understand.

Tony
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There are plenty of problems in policing and in the criminal justice system. A sensible approach to law and order would address these while supporting the legitimate authority of police and the judicial system.
 
JimBob1952 said:
Sorry, missed the rhetorical question there. A lot of SF members are so liberal that they would blame the car occupants for driving a BMW and being guilty of excessive capitalism or some such thing.

We are on a fast downward spiral. I'm glad I won't be around to see the end game.
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Nothing like an across the board blanketed statement.

My opinion is, all the power to those who can afford to drive a BMW.

Just because I personally cannot, doesn't mean I harvest jealously, just as I don't harvest envy.
 
Aunt Marg said:
Nothing like an across the board blanketed statement.

My opinion is, all the power to those who can afford to drive a BMW.

Just because I personally cannot, doesn't mean I harvest jealously, just as I don't harvest envy.
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Yo Marj, you're the one saying you would run the little perps over. My comment wasn't addressed to you as you are far from a doctrinaire liberal. Wait till we hear from some of the real die-hard lefties.
 

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