Celebs leaving America question.

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As a side note, my husband worked at the Federal Courthouse as a court security officer for about 10 years & was part of the security detail at naturalization ceremonies. He said many of the people taking the oath didn't speak English & had a difficult time following what was happening. Everyone there to take the oath were asked by a Judge or Federal Magistrate to repeat after them starting with "I, state your name" to which the non-English speaking ones repeated back "I, state your name". The rest of the oath was unintelligible mumbling.

If these individuals don't understand our language at the time they are taking the oath, IMO they had no clue what-so-ever that it means & what they are agreeing to & may have no intention of upholding that oath they just took.

My MIL had to speak & recite the entire oath in English to become a citizen around 1963. Prior to taking the oath, she had to answer some questions that was asked. I wish I could remember better what she said they were about, but I thought is was about some basic history & that she understood about what was going to happen. Now, no one is asked any questions prior to the their oath.
 

You have to take a citizenship test in order to become one. My Dil studied for months before taking the test. They give you topics to study.
 

Lilac said:
You got me curious of the wording & I found this at https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/n-400-topic-exercises/The-Oath-Of-Allegiance.pdf:

The Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America

“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen;

…that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic;

…that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;

…that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law;

…that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law;

…that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and

…that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.”
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But the US does not require abandoning other citizenships. A chicken and egg question. There are countries who refuse to relinguish citizenship.
 
Lilac said:
You got me curious of the wording & I found this at https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/n-400-topic-exercises/The-Oath-Of-Allegiance.pdf:

The Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America

“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen;

…that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic;

…that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;

…that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law;

…that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law;

…that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and

…that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.”
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Cool. It hasn't changed.

I went with a former girlfriend to watch her uncle take the oath back in 2007. He held up a little American flag and had tears in his eyes the whole time; this guy was really feelin' it. He was sworn-in on the steps of a Calif Supreme Courthouse with about 30 other people from all over the world, and almost all of them got emotional. The ones who weren't teary-eyed were either grinning from ear-to-ear or looked solemnly reverent.

It's a really cool thing to see.
 
Inept said:
You might be right. The US may require that you relinquish American citizenship if you become a citizen of another country, however.
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Care to cite a source for what you wrote ? The US Government may not LIKE it, if an American becomes a citizen of another country, BUT they can't forbid it, either. During the recent US election about 900,000 Americans who live and work in Canada, cast ballots. Many of those Americans are dual citizens of the USA AND Canada. I think at least that many Americans live and work in Mexico, too.
 
Twostep said:
But the US does not require abandoning other citizenships. A chicken and egg question. There are countries who refuse to relinguish citizenship.
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You're right about not requiring the abandonment of a previous citizenship.

Maybe it's time to change that you can only hold one citizenship in this country. An individual has the choice is either to remain a citizen from their country of birth or to renounce that citizenship (as stated in our oath now) to be a US citizen & follow the obligations they swore to the US. I believe you can't be loyal to two different countries at the same time because at some point, that individual may have to choose a side.

For people who are from a country that doesn't allow their citizenship of their birth country to be renounced, I feel for them if they truly want to be here. It's their home country that has put them between a rock & a hard place. No easy answer to this, but again you can only hold one citizenship.

I understand some reasons why US citizens become citizens of other countries, but at the same time it was their choice & even they may at some point have to choose a side. If they willing become a naturalized citizen of another nation, then shouldn't they give up their US citizenship?

Just some thoughts. What I said may make some upset & it wasn't meant to be that way. But these are things that should be looked into with serious thought.

We have people who come here that believe in America, want to be part of the American dream & do the right things. They support themselves, their families, follow the law & are welcomed here.

Just FYI:
51 countries that don't allow for dual-citizenship: https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-that-don-t-recognize-dual-citizenship.html
17 countries that don't allow renouncement of citizenship: These countries do not allow renouncing citizenship – Best Citizenships
 
jimintoronto said:
Care to cite a source for what you wrote ? The US Government may not LIKE it, if an American becomes a citizen of another country, BUT they can't forbid it, either. During the recent US election about 900,000 Americans who live and work in Canada, cast ballots. Many of those Americans are dual citizens of the USA AND Canada. I think at least that many Americans live and work in Mexico, too.
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Yes, as ex-pats with dual citizenship. I'm guessing about half of them are retired.
 
Inept said:
You might be right. The US may require that you relinquish American citizenship if you become a citizen of another country, however.
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jimintoronto said:
Care to cite a source for what you wrote ? The US Government may not LIKE it, if an American becomes a citizen of another country, BUT they can't forbid it, either. During the recent US election about 900,000 Americans who live and work in Canada, cast ballots. Many of those Americans are dual citizens of the USA AND Canada. I think at least that many Americans live and work in Mexico, too.
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Maybe you need to read what I wrote again.
 
Inept said:
Maybe you need to read what I wrote again.
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Maybe you need to check with the US State Department, about forcing Americans to give up their American citizenship, if they acquire citizenship in another country? Go to the State Department's website, and find out.
 
Facetiously, I have to say that I am deeply offended that none of the celebrities named in this thread are planning to relocate to Australia. If it is good enough for Miriam Margolies to become an Australian citizen, then why not American film stars as well?

On a more serious note, I dream of the day when there is only one nationality, Citizen of Planet Earth. I really like Roddenberry's dream of a united Earth being part of a Federation of Planets. When the happens, which is unlikely in the extreme, we would have finally achieved the elusive goal of "world peace".
 
Warrigal said:
Facetiously, I have to say that I am deeply offended that none of the celebrities named in this thread are planning to relocate to Australia. If it is good enough for Miriam Margolies to become an Australian citizen, then why not American film stars as well?

On a more serious note, I dream of the day when there is only one nationality, Citizen of Planet Earth. I really like Roddenberry's dream of a united Earth being part of a Federation of Planets. When the happens, which is unlikely in the extreme, we would have finally achieved the elusive goal of "world peace".
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But then there won't be beer bargains on Cinco de Mayo. 🥺
 
chic said:
Ok. I don't care what celebs do either. BUT, these are people with plenty of money who have always lived and worked in the U.S. but have now decided to leave, perhaps permanently, and that is the point.

BF and I would also like to live abroad now but I don't have a celeb's money or experience and we couldn't afford to take the whole family, but if we could, we would.

And so would others.

And maybe this is what needs to happen.

This was my point.
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Sorry, but if you are a middle class American you can afford to relocate to almost anywhere is Central or South America. If the U.S. is so bad, try one of those. lotsa expat retirees down there. You are free to join them. (y)(y)
 
Warrigal said:
Facetiously, I have to say that I am deeply offended that none of the celebrities named in this thread are planning to relocate to Australia. If it is good enough for Miriam Margolies to become an Australian citizen, then why not American film stars as well?
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Could it be malicious rumors of a Violet Crumble shortage?
 

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