"Children" in the news

JaniceM

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There was nothing on TV last night and I watched parts of a show on HLN (CNN) with the title Murder Capital of the World. I knew instantly that was about my hometown of Santa Cruz Ca. I remember that tag it was given in the early 70's. They focused on Kemper. He murdered his grandparent's at 15. Was released from a psychiatric facility at 20 or 21. Murdered multiple female college students and his mother, who from all accounts was nuts herself. He was said to be highly intelligent but clearly insane. What if he had never been released? Those young woman would have been spared and the nightmare their families endured avoided.
 
Remy said:
There was nothing on TV last night and I watched parts of a show on HLN (CNN) with the title Murder Capital of the World. I knew instantly that was about my hometown of Santa Cruz Ca. I remember that tag it was given in the early 70's. They focused on Kemper. He murdered his grandparent's at 15. Was released from a psychiatric facility at 20 or 21. Murdered multiple female college students and his mother, who from all accounts was nuts herself. He was said to be highly intelligent but clearly insane. What if he had never been released? Those young woman would have been spared and the nightmare their families endured avoided.
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Did he really murder his grandparents at 15? I'll have to go and look that up again. He was known as the Co-ed killer for anyone who is interested in him.
 

Pepper said:
In ancient Aramaic and Hebrew, there were no commas. The true translation is "Spare the rod (AND) spoil the child."
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So it could be interpreted as a directive - i.e. "You will spare the rod and you will spoil the child" - which would perhaps explain the multitude of 'spoilt children'.
 
Shalimar said:
Over the years, I have offered therapy to many negatively affected by that style of parenting.
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Surely that style of parenting is pursued by literalists.......if it's interpreted as directing children along a viable/correct path, by discussion/example, etc, it can be productive.........as opposed to allowing them to run riot.

Me....I feel that literalism in so many areas has to be questioned - I seem to recall an old expression "Well, Shoot" which was not intended to be taken literally.

Added: I had a Border Collie whom I loved dearly, I didn't beat him. I would never have beaten him......but....he had to be aware (through training) who was in charge........too many kids/people/dogs who have no direction tend to think that "If nobody else is the leader then it must be me".

Everything requires interpretation.
 
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Nemo2 said:
Surely that style of parenting is pursued by literalists.......if it's interpreted as directing children along a viable/correct path, by discussion/example, etc, it can be productive.........as opposed to allowing them to run riot.

Me....I feel that literalism in so many areas has to be questioned - I seem to recall an old expression "Well, Shoot" which was not intended to be taken literally.

Added: I had a Border Collie whom I loved dearly, I didn't beat him. I would never have beaten him......but....he had to be aware (through training) who was in charge........too many kids/people/dogs who have no direction tend to think that "If nobody else is the leader then it must be me".

Everything requires interpretation.
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I am in favour of direction, one cannot function adequately without it, but I am vehemently opposed to corporal punishment. Mental health professionals have been speaking out against it for years.
 
Nemo2 said:
So it could be interpreted as a directive - i.e. "You will spare the rod and you will spoil the child" - which would perhaps explain the multitude of 'spoilt children'.
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Exactly, only many would be considered loved, not spoiled. There are always a few gremlins in the mix.
 
The Hebrews were known to love and spoil their children after the Exodus, despite warnings and rules of Leviticus. Harsh sentences listed were never carried out, at least there is no record of such when it came to offspring.
 
Another Border Collie anecdote: Eons ago I was walking my Border, (he was never on a leash unless we were in a crowded area where it was for his benefit), and encountered a woman, (whose dog was on a leash), coming in the opposite direction.

Her dog immediately became aggressive.....I told my Border to lie down and stay, (which he did, and then he quietly monitored the event).....the woman's dog was by this time standing upright, she's using all her strength to stop from being pulled off her feet.

"Put your dog on a leash" she screamed!!!

I replied "Lady, my dog is under control, yours is being physically restrained".

Q.E.D.
 
People either want to love a wayward kid to death or discipline the hell out of him. For most kids, a mixture of both usually works. But here are some kids. who are problems. When a kid is strangling neighborhood pets, starting fires, and dreaming of stabbing his parents and siblings, it's obvious the kids has deep psychological/mental problems. He's not a normal kid, he's broken, and we can't fix him. He hasn't yet killed a human, but it's just a matter of time before he does, what do we do with him? Then there are kids, who do horrible crimes, say killing their parents, but can't grasp that their parents won't be buying them Xmas presents. They are kids, who have kids' brains, but do adult crimes, what do we do with them. Then there are kids, who do adult crimes, and fully understand the consequences, but they are only 10 or 11. What do you do with them? I really don't know, to me it's way too complicated for one answer.
 
Beat and robbed a homeless man? This sounds like a joy beating plain and simple.

We get homelss on the property where I work due to the gulch behind the property though they cleared them out for now. I was told in orientation when I started there if they come and get water out of the faucet, don't bother them, just let them do so.

I've encountered a couple of them on the property due to feeding he cats towards the edge of the gulch. I've never been bothered. One guy in the parking lot wanted my water jug and I just told him no, I needed it. And the cat dishes disappeared once and there had been a homeless guy around. I keep spares in the car and pick them up in thrift stores.
 
Remy said:
There was nothing on TV last night and I watched parts of a show on HLN (CNN) with the title Murder Capital of the World. I knew instantly that was about my hometown of Santa Cruz Ca. I remember that tag it was given in the early 70's. They focused on Kemper. He murdered his grandparent's at 15. Was released from a psychiatric facility at 20 or 21. Murdered multiple female college students and his mother, who from all accounts was nuts herself. He was said to be highly intelligent but clearly insane. What if he had never been released? Those young woman would have been spared and the nightmare their families endured avoided.
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OMG that's horrible! This is what I mean when I say letting them out puts everyone else in danger. I would rather keep them locked up and protect the sane people.
Shalimar said:
I am in favour of direction, one cannot function adequately without it, but I am vehemently opposed to corporal punishment. Mental health professionals have been speaking out against it for years.
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Amen! I totally agree! I was never spanked as a child and neither are my children. It does more harm than good.
fuzzybuddy said:
People either want to love a wayward kid to death or discipline the hell out of him. For most kids, a mixture of both usually works. But here are some kids. who are problems. When a kid is strangling neighborhood pets, starting fires, and dreaming of stabbing his parents and siblings, it's obvious the kids has deep psychological/mental problems. He's not a normal kid, he's broken, and we can't fix him. He hasn't yet killed a human, but it's just a matter of time before he does, what do we do with him? Then there are kids, who do horrible crimes, say killing their parents, but can't grasp that their parents won't be buying them Xmas presents. They are kids, who have kids' brains, but do adult crimes, what do we do with them. Then there are kids, who do adult crimes, and fully understand the consequences, but they are only 10 or 11. What do you do with them? I really don't know, to me it's way too complicated for one answer.
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For insane children neither spanking or not spanking will fix them because they are deeply broken. But spanking is like putting gasoline on fire. They are already violent and putting violence on them just feeds into that.
 
I think children who murder should be locked up for life, whether they understand what they did or not. There's still something wrong with a child who kills. Most children do not kill even if they don't fully understand the permanence of it. There's something innate inside them that tells them it's wrong or stops them from doing it. That thing is broken in murderers. Most children don't want to hurt other people. Children's natural instinct is to love, trust and nurture.
 
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