Cholesterol & butter... confusing issue

My grandmother had bacon, eggs and toast with butter every single morning. She loved fried chicken and I never saw her exercise. She lived fairly healthily until she died at the age of 101. I think that old saying "all things in moderation" is true.
Your gramma's food probably didn't have a lot of unnatural additives in it. In the US, additives are added during 3 stages of production, including packaging. That's a big contributor to poor health in America, imo.
 

It is kind of confusing. I don't eat dairy and stopped using palm oil which knocked out a lot of things. But the other butters have coconut oil and so does the non dairy cream cheese and other cheeses. I actually feel kind of bad when I buy them so I don't get them a lot. But I'm not giving up anything I like. Including sugar. Oh and the non dairy ice creams, even the oat ones have coconut oil in them.

I remember when coconut oil was a no-no. I think I heard recently that it is now on the acceptable list. I will investigate.
 
I remember when coconut oil was a no-no. I think I heard recently that it is now on the acceptable list. I will investigate.
Changes all the time doesn't it? I've decided not to worry about it too much. I just don't buy it much. But then I don't eat regular dairy so does that help, I don't know.
 

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My grandmother had bacon, eggs and toast with butter every single morning. She loved fried chicken and I never saw her exercise. She lived fairly healthily until she died at the age of 101. I think that old saying "all things in moderation" is true.
My mother was a southern cook. She ate all of that stuff too. I don't know that she had eggs and bacon daily, but then again, she wasn't a cereal person. She probably ate grits with butter a lot. Of course when she cooked chicken, it was fried. My mom lived to be 97 years old.
 
Back in my 20s when living on a very tight budget, it was margarine. No more. Yuck to the flavour and artificial ingredients. It’s been butter for years now and I try to minimize the amounts I use.

Friends only eat Becel after years ago reading that it was very healthy. They’ve never questioned it. DH doesn’t like many of the vegetables she serves, because she slaps a big wad of Becel on top. He doesn’t want butter either.
 
Most everything is "OK" if long as it's eaten in moderation. Butter does have saturated fat, which if ingested excessively can contribute to the plaque buildup in arteries.

I recently became aware that mayonnaise is not the "heart attack waiting to happen" that I had thought it was, actually has like about 1/5th the saturated fat that butter does.

Q. Settle an argument, please! Which is better for you: mayonnaise or butter?
Is that per tablespoon? I wonder because I usually keep a serving of butter to a teaspoon or so but a mayo serving is larger in say tuna salad.
 
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Is that per tablespoon? I wonder because I usually keep a serving of butter to a teaspoon or so but a mayo serving is larger in say tuna salad.
I have an app on my phone called MyFitnessPal, that I log my foods eaten throughout the day. I try to keep within equal portions so as to make an accurate comparison. For example, if I enter "butter" in the selection feature, I'll get various units of measure to choose from, like 1pat, tsp, tbsp,cup,stick,oz and so on. I just choose "pat", which is approximately 36 calories. But if I wanted to compare that to mayonnaise I'd choose teaspoons, which for butter would be 34 calories, and for mayonnaise would be 31 calories. Not a big difference calorie-wise, but the trans fat is significantly lower for mayonnaise. Nutrition of Mayonnaise vs. Butter | Livestrong.com
 
My mother was a southern cook. She ate all of that stuff too. I don't know that she had eggs and bacon daily, but then again, she wasn't a cereal person. She probably ate grits with butter a lot. Of course when she cooked chicken, it was fried. My mom lived to be 97 years old.
I am convinced that the reason some of our elders lived so long in spite of the smoking and fried food is because perhaps they had less stress overall in their lives (cheap or affordable homes to buy makes for less stress), and they had less plastic in their bodies.

We all have a credit card chunk of plastic in our bodies every week just from living in the 20th and 21th centuries. I suppose some of those microplastics get expelled, but many more of the molecules stay in us. We’re being plasticized as we live. That cannot be good no matter how much we workout or go Vegan.

As for stress now? It’s OFF THE CHARTS for so many of our youngers and if they are paying attention, they know that and they are trying to find ways to reduce it. Older people too, we have a lot of stress, some of us.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/31/us/microplastic-credit-card-per-week/index.html

https://www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/can-stress-kill-you#how-to-manage-it

But in many communities, gone are the days when you could buy a little house and stay there for 30 years. In many communities, that’s impossible now.
 
It seemed that very many of us in North America quit worrying about butter in our diets, six or seven years ago. It was all over the news that medical research had shown that health issues related to blood cholesterol actually had little or nothing to do with human dietary intake.

Olive oil and fish oils are of course good, but butter was not bad. A huger proportion of the population breathed a sigh of relief! Now it seems that there are yet, at least in still-existing internet sites, those sources that warn about butter (milk fat) in the diet.

Okay, just a personal association here... The "butter okay" info of only a few years ago seemed to conflate, in my mind, with the somewhat earlier announcements about the "Mediterranean diet" being a good guide for health. Of course, obviously the Mediterranean region is shared by a number of nations. And, for instance, Italians go in heavily for olive oil, the French for butter. (I've been to Italy — and the Italians love pizza, or nearly anything with cheese in or on it.)

Confusing. So... what can you tell me?
I still use butter even though I'm on cholesterol meds, because a long time ago I read that Margarine is worse than butter because of something that's in it
 
I still use butter even though I'm on cholesterol meds, because a long time ago I read that Margarine is worse than butter because of something that's in it

Pretty much all margarines were once trans fats. There are healthy vegetable based butter substitutes these days. I use Miyoko's cultured plant milk butter substitute because of a dairy protein intolerance.

Am hoping with gut healing to eventually work butter back into my diet but will stick with grass fed sources due to the much healthier fatty acid profile than dairy from grain fed cows.
 
I wasn’t sure if I still had this photo on my iPad , it was a article dating back to 2019 in our daily paper
all about butter and other fats …..I use butter and if you read the guidelines for using the the cholesterol butters / milk you have to use quite a bit ..think without checking the margarine is about 2 tablespoons daily but I’ll check the correct facts

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I love butter, cream, eggs and have them as I want, daily. I do however eat only moderate portions and no junk food or ready meals as such. I just like basic fresh real food and I eat very little sugar.
I hate low fat spreads , they have no taste.
 
I'm so old that I have lost count of the number of times things like butter and coffee have been shown harmful or healthy in studies. I like butter so that is what I smear on my morning toast. I also survived years of Navy coffee so no namby pamby civilian brew is likely to harm me.
 
I believe in eating real food & not processed, fake or chemical-made foods. Some people, no matter what they eat, just won't have a problem for whatever reason like my one brother.

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If you really enjoy certain foods & it makes you happy, just eat it in moderation. No one know how long we have in this world & I see no reason to make yourself miserable while your here. Especially when so-called experts either can't make up their minds or contradict each other or say things for the money.
Totally agree with both paragraphs. I much prefer home cooking to takeaway although I am not a food purist. I was raised in a household where we ate meat three times a day, most of it mutton and beef. Growing up I drank lots of milk that was pasteurised but not homogenised. And lollies including honeycomb and chocolate covered caramels.

In my middle years I put on weight, mainly due to lots of socialising and fine dining with three courses and wine. Weight watchers and some self control returned the weight to a healthier level.

Today, at 81 years, I eat whatever I like and my diet is similar to what it was when I was a child. I love my dairy products - milk, custard, yoghurt, ice cream, cheese, you name it, I eat it. Meat, salads and fresh fruit are regular fare and I make my own soups from time to time. I love a hearty stew too. Who doesn't like homemade scones topped with jam and whipped cream?

I reckon worry is more detrimental to longevity than what I eat. I refuse to worry about food.
 
I think daily exercise is a vital determinant. It increases the good cholesterol which helps escort the bad cholesterol from the body. The more you neglect exercise, the more you need to pay attention foods that could elevate the bad cholesterol level.
Butter plus exercise is my prescription.
 
I'm so old that I have lost count of the number of times things like butter and coffee have been shown harmful or healthy in studies. I like butter so that is what I smear on my morning toast. I also survived years of Navy coffee so no namby pamby civilian brew is likely to harm me.
Coffee is probably good for the liver and the prostrate.
 
I found that eating a serving regular oats 5 days a week brought my cholesterol down to normal levels without any meds. I was surprised when I did it for 6 months on the first blood test. I also kept eating non-processed food for my other meals & really had kept that part of my diet the same. Since I don't drink that much red wine for some time now, I had tried the French grape seed extract which was supposed to mimic drinking red wine & found it did nothing. But the oatmeal, for me, made the difference.

@Rose65 I believe eating in moderation is the main thing for a healthy diet.
 
When I think back as a kid, we didn't have dessert after every meal. It was for birthdays, holidays or other special occasions. When my Grandma made desserts, they weren't real sweet. I still use a her recipes & other older recipes that I've found.

After I was married, I found an Amish cookbook that said you can cut back on sugar in your foods & not miss it & the end results would be fine. Since then, I've cut back on sugar in just about all of the recipes between 1/4 to 1/3 the amount called for. Cakes were the exception if I wanted it to come out right & with those I chose the recipes that used the least amount.

I also believe there is a difference in sugar itself. As time went on, sugar was refined until it wasn't like the "original" used years ago. Now I buy only pure cane sugar & demerara which still has the molasses in it. Other old time sweeteners I use are molasses & sorghum. If you taste refined white sugar & then pure cane sugar, the refined is sweeter (at least to me). I stay away from artificial sugar since I don't like chemicals. I've seen more articles on artificial sugar that your body can't tell the difference between it & the real thing. Again, I'll eat the real food & do it in moderation.

Today, it seems every processed food contains some amount of sugar, especially high fructose corn syrup. Also, don't get me started on MSG in foods that can be listed under so many different names that you don't realize it is in there.
 
I hadn't heard that coffee could benefit the prostrate, but all for that!
It doesn't, believe me. Since my 50th birthday I'm drinking coffee. My BPH is becoming worse nevertheless. Some weeks ago (at almost 65 years old) I even changed from panty liners to incontinence pads. Not kidding. Before I've tried medication as finasteride and dutasteride, but not only I've got breasts size 40 C but I got severe nose bleeding the last year. I've stopped all medication and rely only on pads now. They work. Nothing to be embarrassed of.
 

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