Church service with drag show

davey said:
Erhmm all personal viewpoints here and sometimes clouded memories on half finished bottles of scotch/bourbon? - I think the main angst as you put it was mainly not coming so much from the attire but the performance of dancing in such attire? - and what is wrong with that ? - well lets take it further and say - attire can also be swimwear in any form desired?
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Oh, I'm all for less dancing. My knees can't handle it.

 

davey said:
now isn't that rather hitting below the belt dear?
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I'm not your 'dear'. I spent eight years in Catholic school and church, and have no issue in acknowledging the decades of priests abusing and raping young boys in church. They have injured these children physically, mentally and emotionally. I choose not to sweep this reality under the rug, those who do condone it.
 

Nathan said:
Any Christian denomination that follows the teachings of Jesus Christ believes that Jesus died to save everyone's souls.
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But, while this church has Christians in it, its beliefs are not really Christian. They include many other religious belief systems as well as whatever beliefs an individual member might have. I don’t judge them, but to call them Christian is very misleading.
 
We have religious freedom in the USA. Choose whatever church you wish. As far as drag queen exhibition during Easter service I will pass on it. This is a tempest in a teapot.
 
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A church service is a function. Many attendees will be present especially for a service on a major holiday like Easter. If performers are encouraged isn't this rude to the other attendees who are interested in the function but not a performance in the function with which they are not in accord? We've all attended functions so we understand the dilemma here.
 
chic said:
A church service is a function. Many attendees will be present especially for a service on a major holiday like Easter. If performers are encouraged isn't this rude to the other attendees who are interested in the function but not a performance in the function with which they are not in accord? We've all attended functions so we understand the dilemma here.
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is there anyone from this particular church here right now complaining ?? - if so raise your hands??
 
The Unitarian Fellowship chose to hold this event because it coincided with International Transgender Day of Visibility.

“Landing on March 31 this year Easter Sunday coincides with the International Transgender Day of Visibility, and drag queen performer Indigo said it’s an important time to be highlighting and focusing on transgender youth.

Unitarian minister Samaya Oakley presided over a congregation of more than 120 people on Sunday. She said it was a remarkable opportunity to bring Easter and Transgender Day of Visibility together, telling a different version of the Easter story.

“We believe that every life is sacred, and when I see the harmful trans (policies) come into effect, both in the United States and increasingly harsher ones coming in Canada, I think it’s important
 
Della said:
For me, all types of people are welcome to attend church, but I would prefer that no one at all "perform" at the front of the church.

I'm speaking in particular of all the frustrated rock stars we have at the front of so many churches today. The mega-churches usually have a stage at the front of the sanctuary full of electric guitars, drum sets, and flashy looking singers, while the congregation sits and watches them like they're at a concert.

We're all supposed to be there to worship God together not to show off our individual talents or how good looking we are, or in this case, how fabulous we look in drag.

I would say the same thing to drag queens, strippers, actors and vocalists. Come in, sit down in the pew, and worship with us. Do your act in your own time.
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So you don't approve of traditional church choirs either? Or nativity plays?

Because how are they any different - congregation sits and watches while they show off their talents and do their act.

Electric guitars, drum sets etc are just a different style of music or presentation.
 
because one group or groups are not self-glorifying they are behaving with calmness and sometimes solemnity in keeping with their church practices - the scenes that are spoken of in this instance or not depicting any church happening or history it is just adorned self-glorification and I would like to question the dancers " what was that all about and how does it fit into this quasa-religious gathering"? There are many questions that can be asked of this unitarian gathering - from 1. what is the purpose of gathering at all? to 2. what historic and/or biblical guidelines do you follow in your church gatherings?
 
January said:
So you don't approve of traditional church choirs either? Or nativity plays?

Because how are they any different - congregation sits and watches while they show off their talents and do their act.

Electric guitars, drum sets etc are just a different style of music or presentation.
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One of the reasons for choir robes is so everyone will look alike and no one will be showing off their Sunday clothes. My church goes a bit further and the choir sings from a loft at the back of the church, we can't see them at all. As for choirs in general and nativity plays -- I'm not crazy about them, but at least the songs and plays are biblically based.

My sister-in-law belongs to a dance group at her church. The women wear thin white nighties and float around the stage, barefooted, arms raised, looking up at the ceiling. They always make me think of the vestal virgins dancing around the pagan temples. Now, I love dance, I spent years in ballet and continued with adult lessons into my fifties, but I never would have dreamed of doing it in church. If St. Paul thought women should cover their hair in church so as not to distract the men I wonder what he would think of these young barelegged women before the altar. I wouldn't dream of saying anything negative about it, but I do think it's inappropriate.
Jules said:
The Unitarian Fellowship chose to hold this event because it coincided with International Transgender Day of Visibility.
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Does anyone else wonder what drag queens have to do with transgender people? Wouldn't it have been better to ask an actual transgender person to talk about their experience -- how it felt growing up feeling like they were in the wrong body and how much happier they are now living their life in a way that they believe God intended? It's a very serious subject for the people involved and their families.
 
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One of the reasons for choir robes is so everyone will look alike and no one will be showing off their Sunday clothes. My church goes a bit further and the choir sings from a loft at the back of the church, we can't see them at all. As for choirs in general and nativity plays -- I'm not crazy about them, but at least the songs and plays are biblically based.

My sister-in-law belongs to a dance group at her church. The women wear thin white nighties and float around the stage, barefooted, arms raised, looking up at the ceiling. They always make me think of the vestal virgins dancing around the pagan temples. Now, I love dance, I spent years in ballet and continued with adult lessons into my fifties, but I never would have dreamed of doing it in church. If St. Paul thought women should cover their hair in church so as not to distract the men I wonder what he would think of these young barelegged women before the altar. I wouldn't dream of saying anything negative about it, but I do think it's inappropriate.
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Well I think Paul was quite the sexist product of his time so what he would think doesn't bother me. I don't care what people wear to church I don't think any God would care about whether people were bare footed or not.

Can't see how electric guitars, drumsets, rock style music etc cannot be just as biblically based as choirs and nativity plays - is only the style of music that is different.
 
You're just a better person than I am, January. When I was young rock music kind of turned me on and I think I would have been uncomfortable with the same drums and rhythms in church on Sunday morning that I had dirty-danced to with my boyfriend the night before, and no, I don't think God cares what we wear as far as expensive finery goes, but Old Testament law said we should bathe before entering the temple, and there was a problem in the New Testament when someone didn't wear proper clothes to a wedding. It's all a matter of respect. If you wear your best clothes to work or to parties and old casual clothes to church it just shows which place is most important to you.

I guess you're also a better person than some men who might think those pretty young girls with bare legs and feet were more sensual than spiritual and have their minds be distracted. You might call them sexist, I just think they're human.

I don't think women dressing modestly in church means they've knuckled under to the patriarchy, to me it's is just part of that, "Whatever causes my brother to stumble" (I won't do.) I'm afraid that's also from Paul. I know he gets lots of people's knickers in a twist, but I like him.
 
I can just imagine what kind of great Christian music that Paul and the Disciples could play. :)

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Paco Dennis said:
I can just imagine what kind of great Christian music that Paul and the Disciples could play. :)

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And yet at the time there were trumpets, harps, lutes and many other instruments, but when Jesus gave his sermons nobody dragged them out and none of the women decided to get up and dance in front of him. He just preached and people just listened.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
OMG!! Drag queens!! Who was Mary Magdalene again?
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Hollywood producers and novelists would like you to think she was a prostitute, but that's just an old myth based on a Pope who mixed her up with the woman who washed Jesus's feet and had been called, "a sinner."

All we know about Mary Magdalene was that she was rich ( probably a widow) and supported Jesus' ministry all the way through.
People like to think she was Jesus' wife or lover because some people just can't imagine a life of celibacy, but Jesus never would have broken Jewish law. He would have been the worst sort of hypocrite if had preached against adultery and fornication and then slept with a disciple.
 
Della said:
And yet at the time there were trumpets, harps, lutes and many other instruments, but when Jesus gave his sermons nobody dragged them out and none of the women decided to get up and dance in front of him. He just preached and people just listened.
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Are you suggesting that they are listening to Jesus, and should act like it? I get the feeling that the UU Church is not even Christian.
 
Jesus hung out with the most marginalized, least acceptable members of society. If here today, he'd be overturning the temple tables in Joel Osteen and his ilk's houses of "worship." (Seems to me they mostly worship money.)

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
Mahatma Ghandi
"Jesus is ideal and wonderful, but you Christians, you are not like him."
Bara Dada
 
Della said:
You're just a better person than I am, January. When I was young rock music kind of turned me on and I think I would have been uncomfortable with the same drums and rhythms in church on Sunday morning that I had dirty-danced to with my boyfriend the night before, and no, I don't think God cares what we wear as far as expensive finery goes, but Old Testament law said we should bathe before entering the temple, and there was a problem in the New Testament when someone didn't wear proper clothes to a wedding. It's all a matter of respect. If you wear your best clothes to work or to parties and old casual clothes to church it just shows which place is most important to you.

I guess you're also a better person than some men who might think those pretty young girls with bare legs and feet were more sensual than spiritual and have their minds be distracted. You might call them sexist, I just think they're human.

I don't think women dressing modestly in church means they've knuckled under to the patriarchy, to me it's is just part of that, "Whatever causes my brother to stumble" (I won't do.) I'm afraid that's also from Paul. I know he gets lots of people's knickers in a twist, but I like him.
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I don't think we can claim our preferred style of music that we are comfortable is somehow more suitable or appropriate for church.
And same goes for our preferred style of dress. If someone wears old casual clothes because they are more comfortable in them it doesn't show which place is more important to them, it shows which clothes they feel more comfortable in. I don't agree we show respect to God by what we wear - surely God would be more concerned with us on the inside than our outer presentation.

And quite apart from church - men are responsible for their own actions, women don't cause them to stumble by what they wear.
That sounds like ' she asked for it, she was wearing a short skirt' mentality.
 

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