Civil War?

[Aneeda72]

The 1807 law has been invoked to deploy our US military into the cities. I am shocked. I called my family in another state and told them, STAY HOME.

 

[Ruthanne]

Yes, I plan to stay home most of the time. I go out very little as it is. I do all my shopping online. I sure hope that the stores I shop at keep delivering during these crazy days!

 

[jerry old]

no one, nobody, no way does anybody want troops in the street.
Troops are not cops, different critters-everyone knows troops in the street
is letting a genie out of a bottle and he is not easily put be put back in his bottle.

 

[Em in Ohio]

no one, nobody, no way does anybody want troops in the street.
Troops are not cops, different critters-everyone knows troops in the street
is letting a genie out of a bottle and he is not easily put be put back in his bottle.

My worst fears are coming true. As I have said repeatedly, if people can't control themselves, others will do it for them. That's not how I want to live! It brings to mind old photographs of distant places, were people are herded like animals and driven back into their holes.

 

[Linda]

I'm afraid it will be in my family if some of my kids don't keep their thoughts to themselves. I keep my mouth shut.

 

[Aneeda72]

no one, nobody, no way does anybody want troops in the street.
Troops are not cops, different critters-everyone knows troops in the street
is letting a genie out of a bottle and he is not easily put be put back in his bottle.

Oh, you are so right! As law and order a person, as much as I want this craziness stopped, I do not want troops on the streets. After seven days of this though, I want real bullets in the guns. Innocent people are dying, innocent people are being seriously injured, it’s time to send a serious message to looters, NOT peaceful protesters. What happened to the protestors in DC sickened me.

For those people on the forum who posted that they wanted riots, they have gotten their wish. 7 days of riots, one more day than Watts. One person posted they wanted world wide riots, seems that wish is about to come true. One person wrote a post comparing the police to stormtroopers.

If troops, regular US combat ready, combat trained, combat veterans troops hit our streets, then that ignorant person will learn the difference between the police and “stormtroopers”.

 

[Aneeda72]

I'm afraid it will be in my family if some of my kids don't keep their thoughts to themselves. I keep my mouth shut.

The problem is they are ALL our kids. Don’t you feel that? Don’t we all feel that these young children we see protesting on TV are our grandchildren, our grandchildren’s friends, our kids (for younger forum members) ours kids friends.

We have failed. If it takes a village to raise a child, and I believe it does, then we the oldest generation, the oldest in the village have failed. My son, over 50, has attended
peaceful protests in the past. He said if troops are used, he will protest. I said-you’ll have to walk over my dead body. His dad is not so old and feeble he can’t sit on our son until he grows a brain.

 

[hollydolly]

I'm afraid it looks like the police may be losing control. The media are leading with ''Lawless America'' as a headline today.....

Looters have broken into and looted Maceys in NYC as well other high end stores during the night

An SUV drove straight at a group of Police officers





Time to call in the army

Pictures and Videos on this link..


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...d-New-York-Washington-DC-riots-broke-out.html

 

[Butterfly]

The 1807 law has been invoked to deploy our US military into the cities. I am shocked. I called my family in another state and told them, STAY HOME.

The order has not been given; it has only been threatened. The National Guard is being used in some places, at the direction of governors, but that is a different kettle of fish than sending active duty military units into cities.

 

[Aneeda72]

The order has not been given; it has only been threatened. The National Guard is being used in some places, at the direction of governors, but that is a different kettle of fish than sending active duty military units into cities.

Yes, I saw the the US troops used in DC could be used as there and it was clarified that he has only made the threat. You are right. The threat alone may be enough for the governors to act and the protestors calm, but it won’t stop the looting IMO.

For the little I saw last night, it seems the governors may be taking a harder stand to in order to avoid having troops sent. One place, can’t remember where, arrested 4000 looters/protestors. Not sure I heard that right. Where do you put 4000 people arrested at one time? How do you process them?

 

[Lewkat]

The order has not been given; it has only been threatened. The National Guard is being used in some places, at the direction of governors, but that is a different kettle of fish than sending active duty military units into cities.

The President stated yesterday that he is close to invoking the Insurrection Act. If he does, this will not end well at all.

 

[Aneeda72]

The President stated yesterday that he is close to invoking the Insurrection Act. If he does, this will not end well at all.

Either way, IMO, it will not end well, IMO.

 

[JB in SC]

The riots will stop when governors and mayors get serious about maintaining order. I think it’s past the point of reasoning. Time to take action.

There was a mild altercation in a nearby city last night. The local civil rights leaders told the mayor ”we can’t control them, we don’t know who they are” and left. Tear gas dispersed the crowd rapidly. It appears a lot of the rioters are coming in late to the protests and starting the destruction.

 

[jerry old]

It's a darn mess-the civilians acting out are primarily young people with out the experience to understand their actions frighten and dismay the general society.
Mature people want this activity to stop! How that is to be achieved is the problem.

Their is a M P Battalion on standby in the D C area-we do not want regular troops
we do not, we do not!
The national guard can resolve the problem if they react in massive numbers.
I have always perceived the national guard as toy soldiers. They do not have the
training to deal with situations where fear is a component.
I hope the national guard in use in the various cities do not have live rounds.

A national guard solider who feels he is in danger will react to protect himself from
a perceived danger-do not give them live rounds Kent State. remember!
Rifles and bayonets make a strong statements, the N C O's and officers normally
have side arms with live rounds.

The Detroit Riots of 1963 or 64, LBJ had the 82nd or 101,st airborn in place thirty
miles from Detroit. Thank God, he had enough sense not to send them into the
riot areas.

Okay, we won't send in regular troops, how to we solve the problem.
We can only depend on our state leaders to formulate plans to deal with the situation.
This will take time-we want it to stop; however, we are not aware of the multiple
problems of the 'rock clunkers.' The kids will continue to act out, the pillars of
the black community must be involved in the solution.

 

[Aneeda72]

It's a darn mess-the civilians acting out are primarily young people with out the experience to understand their actions frighten and dismay the general society.
Mature people want this activity to stop! How that is to be achieved is the problem.

Their is a M P Battalion on standby in the D C area-we do not want regular troops
we do not, we do not!
The national guard can resolve the problem if they react in massive numbers.
I have always perceived the national guard as toy soldiers. They do not have the
training to deal with situations where fear is a component.
I hope the national guard in use in the various cities do not have live rounds.

A national guard solider who feels he is in danger will react to protect himself from
a perceived danger-do not give them live rounds Kent State. remember!
Rifles and bayonets make a strong statements, the N C O's and officers normally
have side arms with live rounds.

The Detroit Riots of 1963 or 64, LBJ had the 82nd or 101,st airborn in place thirty
miles from Detroit. Thank God, he had enough sense not to send them into the
riot areas.

Okay, we won't send in regular troops, how to we solve the problem.
We can only depend on our state leaders to formulate plans to deal with the situation.
This will take time-we want it to stop; however, we are not aware of the multiple
problems of the 'rock clunkers.' The kids will continue to act out, the pillars of
the black community must be involved in the solution.

Yes I remember Kent State. I also remember my husband, when he returned from Vietnam diving into gutters when a car backfired, being spit on and called a baby killer. I remember when the freedom train came through town (we lived next to the train tracks) and blew its horn.

Him jumping out of bed and hiding under it. Me leaning over the bed and asking him what are you doing. (Maybe looking for jelly beans?). Nope, he thought it was the warning siren for a bombing. Yes, I remember Kent State. I remember a lot of things.

I am for live rounds. Otherwise why bother.

 

[jerry old]

HD post 9, Holly your presective as a Brit is helpful and needed.

I speak as a former member of a combat MP Battalion, I am aware of how dangerous
trained combat troops can be. It would be a mistake to put real troops in the streets.
Trained troops will solve the problems, but the problems they create cannot be resolved for decades.
U.S, Army troops= bodies in the street.

The problem is far greater than the 'rock chunkers' they are not the problem; we know what the problem is-we've not attempted to solve it.

I am not a liberal, nor a 'crying Nancy' but I know how dangerous regular troops can be once called in to 'stop it.
If the National Guard is 'unleashed' the problem will disappear, not solved, but these incidents will stop. They will reappear until positive, permanent action is taken.


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[JB in SC]

The Guard is not at all like it was in the 60’s, at least not here. A big part of training is crowd suppression. You’ll see no magazines in the M4’s. The threat is working, no governor or mayor wants regular Army in their streets.

I watched a news security guy, former SpecOps, take two AR’s from a couple of rioters that stole them from a cop car. Took thirty seconds at most.

 

[911]

I'm afraid it looks like the police may be losing control. The media are leading with ''Lawless America'' as a headline today.....

Looters have broken into and looted Maceys in NYC as well other high end stores during the night

An SUV drove straight at a group of Police officers





Time to call in the army

Pictures and Videos on this link..


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...d-New-York-Washington-DC-riots-broke-out.html

Holly---The police never had control. The Mayors, Governors and police all took an oath when they took their office or position to protect and defend. That hasn't happened. Hell, we even have cops taking the knee just to appease the terrorists. That's right, "Terrorists." There are very few lawful protests taking place and when that does happen, they soon turn violent when the sun goes down and like the cowards they are, they can hid behind the cloak of darkness.

The Governors and Mayors of the states and cities where the criminals have had their way should resign immediately for dereliction of duty. These bunch of spineless, gutless airheads couldn't manage a pet shop. Why should we expect them to protect us?

They have allowed their police to be treated like feral dogs or maybe even less. They have been spit on, hit with rocks, been sworn at face to face with the most vilest language I have ever heard and believe me, I have heard a lot and now, even shot, yet, they have taken no action believing that these criminals will soon run out of steam.

Well, that will not happen. Pray for the country!

 

[Aneeda72]

Holly---The police never had control. The Mayors, Governors and police all took an oath when they took their office or position to protect and defend. That hasn't happened. Hell, we even have cops taking the knee just to appease the terrorists. That's right, "Terrorists." There are very few lawful protests taking place and when tat does happen, they soon turn violent when the sun goes down and like the cowards they are, they can hid behind the cloak of darkness.

The Governors and Mayors of the states and cities where the criminals have had their way should resign immediately for dereliction of duty. These bunch of spineless, gutless airheads couldn't manage a pet shop. Why should we expect them to protect us?

They have allowed their police to be treated like feral dogs or maybe even less. They have been spit on, hit with rocks, been sworn at face to face with the most vilest language I have ever heard and believe me, I have heard a lot and now, even shot, yet, they have taken no action believing that these criminals will soon run out of steam.

Well, that will not happen. Pray for the country!

I agree. Those police chiefs who kneeled must be fired and replaced. We, the people, pay their salaries. We the people pay to be protected. Once this is accomplished, the looters controlled by whatever means needed, hopefully short of actual US troops, mayors and governors can be recalled and voted out.

 

[jerry old]

911's post on thread 'Check for Safety.... post # 9 should be read.

I've not seen any Highway Patrol in Dallas attempting to control the rioters.
The Highway Patrol has a presence about them. 'do not mess with me.'

 

[911]

Not much has changed since the 60's. Race riots, an unwinnable war and a fool in the White House.

This is what I mean about respect. I never disrespected any President. NOT IN MY WHOLE LIFE. I was raised to respect the position while in the Marines. Do you think I liked serving under Johnson while I was in Vietnam? But, I respected him because he was my President and the majority of the people in the U.S. voted for him. So, if I disrespected him, then I would have also disrespected those that voted for him.

Unlike you, I have principles and one is to always respect my President, regardless of all else. I am a proud American living in the best country in the world. I wouldn't live in any other country. I am sure that most, if not all of the posters on this forum feel the same about their country.

 

[911]

911's post on thread 'Check for Safety.... post # 9 should be read.

I've not seen any Highway Patrol in Dallas attempting to control the rioters.
The Highway Patrol has a presence about them. 'do not mess with me.'

I'm not sure I understand your post. Please explain.

 

[jerry old]

911:
being pulled over by a cop is one thing
when a highway patrolman pulls you over, you stifled inappropriate behavior.
these guys are real professionals, do not screw with the highway patrol, they do not
tolerate nonsense and you will pay heavily for your misdeeds.
They have an air of 'I will handle the situation.' Their confident, professional
and communicate that by their demeanor.

 

[jerry old]

911;
Yes, we are to respect our leaders.
The bible says we are to pray for them.
I do, on occasion, but it is difficult and becoming more difficult.

I would like to hear lee hazlewood's "I'm proud to be an American,' played often on
the radio.

 

[RadishRose]

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