Cleveland is Fighting Gun Violence With Additional Resources

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Mayor Justin Bibb has enlisted more resources to fight crime in Cleveland Ohio that has had one of the highest rates of gun violence in the country. He has gotten the FBI and US Marshalls help and they are doing well to fight the high crime problem. On the local news each day we are hearing of the work they've done and the criminals they have gotten off the streets. Another thing they are using is the Shotspotter System that locates by sensors where shots have been fired. It is helping to get victims medical help quickly as well as notify them of crimes being committed quickly, too.

Here's an article on the Shotspotter System: https://www.cleveland19.com/2023/07...r-system-hopes-saving-lives-shooting-victims/

Ariticle: The mayor is also using the Rise Initiative: https://original.newsbreak.com/@ohi...olice-recruitment-and-crime-reduction-efforts

This is really good news for Cleveland and I hope it will continue to help the citizens of the city.
 

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Science and technology is the key to reducing crime. There is no money to hire officers beyond the authorized budget strength, which I just checked, is, 1,640 officers. Current strength is below 1,500.
 
ohioboy said:
Science and technology is the key to reducing crime. There is no money to hire officers beyond the authorized budget strength, which I just checked, is, 1,640 officers. Current strength is below 1,500.
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They are looking for ways to recruit new officers. If I'm not mistaken I think they were giving them 10,000 as a bonus when enlisting.
 

Cleveland is a very violent city due mostly to its sub poverty population. Going back into the 60's and 70's, many area neighborhoods were full of good, hard-working, blue collar people. When industry started to leave the city, crime picked up. Today, it's very evident that the violence has gained in the city.

The younger generation see the people that have left their neighborhoods to become more successful as they learned new trades and furthered their education. Left behind are the people who had little hope, little money and little guidance to follow after. When people get passed over or by other people, jealousy, spite and misanthropy can become a reality.

To fix this problem, better schools and better opportunities are needed in these poverty areas. People must have hope and someone has to guide them to take advantage of the education values when they present themselves. Last but not least, people have to want a better life and aren't going to sit by while the world keeps passing them by.
 
Been There said:
Cleveland is a very violent city due mostly to its sub poverty population. Going back into the 60's and 70's, many area neighborhoods were full of good, hard-working, blue collar people. When industry started to leave the city, crime picked up. Today, it's very evident that the violence has gained in the city.

The younger generation see the people that have left their neighborhoods to become more successful as they learned new trades and furthered their education. Left behind are the people who had little hope, little money and little guidance to follow after. When people get passed over or by other people, jealousy, spite and misanthropy can become a reality.

To fix this problem, better schools and better opportunities are needed in these poverty areas. People must have hope and someone has to guide them to take advantage of the education values when they present themselves. Last but not least, people have to want a better life and aren't going to sit by while the world keeps passing them by.
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Yes that's also a part of the solution. There are a lot of violent young people even getting educated. I was attacked by one at the university there and another in my city who came by bus from Cleveland. It also seems parents aren't raising their children to be nonviolent .
 
When she was still employed by the University of Toronto as a business manager, my Wife was selected to attend a national conference in Cleveland for 3 days. As I was now retired, I offered to drive her down there from Toronto, and stay . The hotel where the conference was to be held was TWO blocks from the city Police head quarters. The conference hand outs made it VERY clear that attendees SHOULD NOT go out of the hotel after 6 PM for any reason. To enter the hotel, we both had to produce ID from the organization that was sponsoring the event. We were checked in and out by off duty Cleveland P.D. officers, who were acting as paid security by the hotel. I had planned to walk the three blocks from the hotel to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for the day. I was advised by our breakfast waiter to TAKE A CAB. For 3 blocks ? This was in 2013, and I don't expect things are any better today, are they ?

Ohio has such lax gun laws that our RCMP sends undercover officers down there to observe who is buying second hand guns, and who might be reselling them in Canada. About HALF of the illegal hand guns that are seized by Police in Canada come from 3 specific States, one of which is OHIO. JimB.
 
Cincinnati has had shot-spotter for a few years now. It hasn't changed a single thing . The street thugs continue to shoot each other damn near every night.

It just gives the police a chance to arrive on scene before the blood dries.
 
Been There said:
Cleveland is a very violent city due mostly to its sub poverty population. Going back into the 60's and 70's, many area neighborhoods were full of good, hard-working, blue collar people. When industry started to leave the city, crime picked up. Today, it's very evident that the violence has gained in the city.

The younger generation see the people that have left their neighborhoods to become more successful as they learned new trades and furthered their education. Left behind are the people who had little hope, little money and little guidance to follow after. When people get passed over or by other people, jealousy, spite and misanthropy can become a reality.

To fix this problem, better schools and better opportunities are needed in these poverty areas. People must have hope and someone has to guide them to take advantage of the education values when they present themselves. Last but not least, people have to want a better life and aren't going to sit by while the world keeps passing them by.
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I agree with most of your post. It has been proven that the better schools with higher test scores are outside the inner cities. That may not apply in all situations, but too many it is. I like the idea of school choice. This would allow the inner city young people an opportunity to attend the better schools outside of the inner cities, but as long as the school unions oppose it, that may never happen. Charter schools still haven’t proved themselves to be a better second choice.
 
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I agree with most of your post. It has been proven that the better schools with higher test scores are outside the inner cities. That may not apply in all situations, but too many it is. I like the idea of school choice. This would allow the inner city young people an opportunity to attend the better schools outside of the inner cities, but as long as the school unions oppose it, that may never happen. Charter schools still haven’t proved themselves to be a better second choice.
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Cleveland is a wasteland of empty and or demolished houses, block after block of them. Obviously those vacant/ abandoned houses don't produce any property taxes, so the city budget suffers, as does the school budget. I wonder if paying kids to stay in school, if they graduate, has been tried ? Or paying the teen age girls NOT to get pregnant ? JimB.
 
I don't like programs with "aggressive (police) enforcement and crime prevention". It's just another name for harass the hell out of targeted people. Arresting people for committing crimes already committed doesn't decrease the crime rate. And trying to prevent crime with police leads to excesses, abuse and discrimination. The cause of crime is poverty. If people have decent employment, they generally are law abiding. It's extremely hard to create economic activity, and good paying jobs. So, it's another "new start", with the same old more cops, more enforcement, more future lawsuits for the abuse and discrimination. Cops don't create jobs, they catch criminals. You can't expect them to solve a problem they aren't designed to solve- poverty.
 
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Being the inquisitive soul that I am, I wanted to check into this further and figure out why I've never heard of Shotspotter. It seems that a number of cities have tried it out... and some from years back. Some have ended their contracts. It doesn't answer my question of why I haven't heard of the technology, but it was an interesting research project for me all the same.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-on-gunshot-detection-tech-privacy-group-says
 
CallMeKate said:
Being the inquisitive soul that I am, I wanted to check into this further and figure out why I've never heard of Shotspotter. It seems that a number of cities have tried it out... and some from years back. Some have ended their contracts. It doesn't answer my question of why I haven't heard of the technology, but it was an interesting research project for me all the same.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-on-gunshot-detection-tech-privacy-group-says
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wow interesting article ....... it is hard to detect which direction a noise... gunfire, backfire from car / fireworks etc when the sound seems to bounce off buildings.
that seems like a lot of money ( Chicago approx 33 million and NY approx 22 million ) for as article says often just aiding victims not catching criminals or taking guns off street......

imagine that sort of money to help bring back JOBS / training or industry to the area to help the poverty situation that seems to be at the root of the problem... nope no money left after paying for this recording device that some have privacy concerns over...
 
Jeni said:
wow interesting article ....... it is hard to detect which direction a noise... gunfire, backfire from car / fireworks etc when the sound seems to bounce off buildings.
that seems like a lot of money ( Chicago approx 33 million and NY approx 22 million ) for as article says often just aiding victims not catching criminals or taking guns off street......

imagine that sort of money to help bring back JOBS / training or industry to the area to help the poverty situation that seems to be at the root of the problem... nope no money left after paying for this recording device that some have privacy concerns over...
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Some people might even think that investing in more cops might be a better bargain but of course that wouldn't fit the Defund the Police agenda. Still, I wonder how many you could hire for 33 million a year.
 
Anyplace that gets tough on crime only pushes the bad guys to where they will face the least resistance. There have been a string of burglaries in a rural area not far from here and they have no police force, so the responsibility falls to the State Police who may be spread too thin to deal with it effectively.
 
Chet said:
Anyplace that gets tough on crime only pushes the bad guys to where they will face the least resistance. There have been a string of burglaries in a rural area not far from here and they have no police force, so the responsibility falls to the State Police who may be spread too thin to deal with it effectively.
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In Ohio, the Highway Patrol has very little Criminal law jurisdiction off of State property, although they have statewide traffic jurisdiction.
 
CallMeKate said:
Being the inquisitive soul that I am, I wanted to check into this further and figure out why I've never heard of Shotspotter. It seems that a number of cities have tried it out... and some from years back. Some have ended their contracts. It doesn't answer my question of why I haven't heard of the technology, but it was an interesting research project for me all the same.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-on-gunshot-detection-tech-privacy-group-says
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Thanks for the link.
 
rgp said:
Cincinnati has had shot-spotter for a few years now. It hasn't changed a single thing . The street thugs continue to shoot each other damn near every night.

It just gives the police a chance to arrive on scene before the blood dries.
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How do you know it hasn't changed a thing? In Cleveland so far it has saved 12 lives.
 

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