Climate Change is in Turbo Mode.

JustDave said:
The US has had pollution taxes, and there was/is that deal where companies are given a license to pollute a certain amount. If they don't use that whole amount, they can sell their pollution rights to another company. Congress loves to pass bills that have an appearance of doing something. The cow farts tax may not be that bad. The problem is that it doesn't help.

Some times they even give a positive sounding name to a positively dreadful law. The Forest Restoration Act (or something like that, of which there have been several) was pushed by industry to allow more logging.
Opinion: Congress’ Fix Our Forests Act will remove environmental checks that keep wildfires from spreading
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I agree as some of these laws sound good but a farce .
 

I have been around since 1950!

Since I was born, I have observed or read about no new deserts developing, no new swamps, no new artic climates, nothing like this has permanently developed or changed (excluding a few man-made changes). We see variations and some may last for some time, but nothing sticks for good (unless manmade like draining a swamp)!

In the scheme of the earth nothing like these changes has happened to my knowledge. Therefore, climate change has not happened...
 
Timewise 60+ said:
I have been around since 1950!

Since I was born, I have observed or read about no new deserts developing, no new swamps, no new artic climates, nothing like this has permanently developed or changed (excluding a few man-made changes). We see variations and some may last for some time, but nothing sticks for good (unless manmade like draining a swamp)!

In the scheme of the earth nothing like these changes has happened to my knowledge. Therefore, climate change has not happened...
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Florida is not a left leaning state yet every report says there is a change .

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What happened in Summer '23?​

Florida's Coral Reef experienced the worst coral bleaching event ever recorded during the Summer of 2023. Coinciding with an El Niño year, unusually hot waters started in mid-July, a month earlier than the typical peak heating months of August and September. Because water temperatures didn't cool off until October, this forced our corals to spend almost double the time in abnormally hot temperatures compared to any of the previous bleaching years in Florida. Check out this Flickr album for images of the bleaching event.

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NotCompSavy said:
Florida is not a left leaning state yet every report says there is a change .

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What happened in Summer '23?​

Florida's Coral Reef experienced the worst coral bleaching event ever recorded during the Summer of 2023. Coinciding with an El Niño year, unusually hot waters started in mid-July, a month earlier than the typical peak heating months of August and September. Because water temperatures didn't cool off until October, this forced our corals to spend almost double the time in abnormally hot temperatures compared to any of the previous bleaching years in Florida. Check out this Flickr album for images of the bleaching event.

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No one is saying variations and changes do not happen! But something as complex as climate and ocean tides changing will occur and some may be permanent, but it is difficult to tie that as a cause and effect, from climate change! If climate were the cause these changes would be happening worldwide at the same time wherever the conditions are the same...
 
Timewise 60+ said:
No one is saying variations and changes do not happen! But something as complex as climate and ocean tides changing will occur and some may be permanent, but it is difficult to tie that as a cause and effect, from climate change! If climate were the cause these changes would be happening worldwide at the same time wherever the conditions are the same...
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I thought they were happening world wide.
 
So the deal is the Horse, Oxe, Mule and Donkey actually started all the problem with the invention of the Wheel.
So toss the wheels on a big bonfire and thats done deal.

Now power all the stuff with White Hydrogen. thats a done deal. More rain, more snow more ice. Thats a done deal.

So you see, you will be locked in your comfortable home. No private Jets, no Jet transportation, 0 / Nada, absolutely none needed.
Thats a done deal.

Ai and robotics does everything with Energy from Sun, Wind, water and White Hydrogen, thats a done deal. No problems now.
Lots of people float around on Huge Rafts. Thats a done deal. Its a water world, that's a done deal. No more wise arses, big mouths,
their drowned, planes crashed, Cruise ships sunk. Just huge anchored rafts a floating about.. Robots constantly building more huge
floating rafts. No need for space crap, except asteroid monitors on the moon, also Ai and robots powered by Solar.

Amazing's unbelievable efficient Ai / Robotic crews with Hydrogen power will pamper us and feed, bath and scold us big babies.

Of course not a Country in the world will be able to get along, wars, humiliations, Catastrophic bad luck is to ensue.
Farmers Lands will be paid to dig mass graves. Many Ai and Robotic stuff into them too. Nothing works, Chaos, Chaos and More.

The future is not a happy one. the future sux. twss
Ai will create fake protein and carbohydrates for all.

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Its been gradually a happening since WW II the next 50 / 75 years will complete the thing. The Axis new it way back when.
Survival of the lucky / fittest will answer most questions along with Cheetos or Dark Milk Chocolate with almonds.
Controls over the chocolate, coffee and Hogs / sheep is imperative.
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It all ends when the Ring of fire opens up the Petro / NG / Hydrogen and Ka-boom goes the whole mess off into space.
 
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tell me if that essay is accurate

The essay contains speculative and exaggerated claims that are not fully supported by current scientific and technological understanding.

### **Accuracy of Claims**
1. **White Hydrogen as a Clean Energy Source**:
- White hydrogen is indeed promising as a clean, naturally occurring energy source with low carbon intensity and cost advantages. It has the potential to revolutionize energy sectors like aviation and heavy industry[1][2][4]. However, challenges such as extraction difficulties, environmental risks from leaks, and lack of infrastructure make its widespread adoption uncertain[4][6].

2. **AI and Robotics**:
- While AI and robotics are advancing rapidly, the idea of them fully replacing human labor and creating floating raft-based societies powered by renewable energy is highly speculative. Current technology is far from achieving such comprehensive automation or societal restructuring.

3. **Environmental Transformation**:
- The essay's vision of a "water world" with floating rafts due to climate change is exaggerated. While rising sea levels are a concern, such extreme scenarios are not supported by current climate science.

4. **Global Chaos**:
- Predictions of global wars, societal collapse, and mass graves are dystopian speculations without evidence. While geopolitical tensions exist, these outcomes are not inevitable.

### **Conclusion**
The essay mixes factual elements about white hydrogen with speculative and dystopian ideas that lack scientific or technological support. It is not accurate as a reflection of current or near-future realities.

Citations:
[1] The white gold rush: 40 companies now in pursuit of natural hydrogen The white gold rush: 40 companies now in pursuit of natural hydrogen
[2] Can white hydrogen revolutionise clean energy and aviation fuels? Can white hydrogen revolutionise clean energy and aviation fuels?
[3] The white gold rush and the pursuit of natural hydrogen The white gold rush and the pursuit of natural hydrogen
[4] Blog - White Hydrogen Explained - Montel White Hydrogen explained
[5] They went hunting for fossil fuels. What they found could help ... - CNN https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/29/climate/white-hydrogen-fossil-fuels-climate/index.html
[6] The industrial exploitation of white hydrogen, myth or reality? - Alcimed The industrial exploitation of white hydrogen, myth or reality?
[7] What is 'white hydrogen'? The pros and cons of Europe's latest clean ... What is ‘white hydrogen’ and could it be a fuel of the future?
[8] Natural hydrogen - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_hydrogen
 
↑ Echos of a tortured mind that think can fix it with logic. ... :coffee: ...
.... There is not a region in the world that is actually at peace today.
everybody is planning to attack or be attacked by someone.

Look at answers to the world problems thru history

1. Walk, make fires, blankets and paint in caves.
2. build a raft, boat, canoe, wind powered stuff
3. Tame wild stuff
4. invent the wheel.
5. hook a horse, oxen, mule, donkey to a wagon
6. build steam powered stuff & cut down trees and dug Coal
7. begin to figure cures for the diseases
8. Build auto's, buses, 18 wheelers and diesel boats.
9. Nuke stuff
10. nuke more stuff
11. try to outlaw nuking stuff
12. failure at most of it ... But pumping a lot of water is part of it too.
13. really bad luck ..... The Ocean currents really changing, making resorts out of deserts or worse. ( 1. slow, 2. stop, 3. speed up)?
14. think space will answer all the problems
15. come to the belief space caused most of the problems.
16. blame it all on Creation.
17. beliefs of all kind come into constant battle, war, atrocities / more chaos.
18. Realize most all forms of power, control, entropy create more disasters.
A. It makes sense fixed power sites would develop Hydrogen Elec. .. Most auto would be electric.
B. Much easier to develop the backup plans with fixed site development 1st priority.
19. Constantly have Conspiracy theorists on public access media.
20. The human race realizes it can't believe any of it, it's all tongue in cheek B.s. / everyday just another fundamental flaw develops.

Most likely common sense actions will prevent most problem. Move to high ground. Once the Sea Shores were most likely the Continental edges. Many miles out to sea now, all because of ICE Northern 1/3rd of the globe and South maybe the same or more yet.. Of Course the
Mountains will need leveled down a bit for occupancy or Caves made too. Maybe the Moon will have huge effects on the rotation with all
that extra water to create High tides with. Maybe eventually the orbit will stray away from the Sun again. Maybe, Maybe's, course Thats like 100,000,000's of years away.

First houses are built on stilts, houses are built on water on stilts or house boat styles. It slowly progresses forward. Common sense stuff.
Billionaire's keep it all going, build, destruction, rebuild, more destruction. The routine circle of chaos contains it all in one passage.
The Midwest, build earthen inground homes facing the easterly directions. Mostly good against high winds. Efficient, cooler too.
Farmers proved that with Lean-to sheds for cattle.
 
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Babs2u said:
I thought they were happening world wide.
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Timewise 60+ said:
Exactly my point! Glad you 'got it'!
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This is confusing. It's not like the temperature raises 1 degree everywhere on the planet, and that's the end of it, or everyone gets a drought, or forest fires, or goes under water. The best analogy I've heard was from a climatologist who said, "Global warming is almost a misnomer. A better name would be Global Meteorological Chaos.
 
I think this year will be the hottest ever recorded. We are reaching a point where it will be way to hot to survive in many places around the globe. The heat has evaporated so much water into the atmosphere that we now have inland cyclones!
 
Paco Dennis said:
I think this year will be the hottest ever recorded. We are reaching a point where it will be way to hot to survive in many places around the globe. The heat has evaporated so much water into the atmosphere that we now have inland cyclones!
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Paco...see below

On July 14, 1954, Warsaw and Union (MO) recorded the hottest temperature ever in Missouri, soaring to 118°. It was on this day that Illinois also set their all-time record high. East St. Louis, Illinois reached 117°. The summer of 1954 has gone down in history for its record heat wave.

Let me know when it gets to be over 118 degrees in Missouri this year...

You climate alarmist crack me up sometime...
 
Fortunately the (metaphorical) winds have changed, and real climate scientists have begun to speak out against the climate alarmism narrative. No longer as browbeaten and threatened as they've been for so long now they are spilling the actual beans.

Many in the sciences are also tearing the bad studies and reports up, exposing the bad science and the claims which even that doesn't actually show.

 
dilettante said:
Fortunately the (metaphorical) winds have changed, and real climate scientists have begun to speak out against the climate alarmism narrative. No longer as browbeaten and threatened as they've been for so long now they are spilling the actual beans.

Many in the sciences are also tearing the bad studies and reports up, exposing the bad science and the claims which even that doesn't actually show.

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Big Oil loves this stuff.
 
Timewise 60+ said:
Paco...see below

On July 14, 1954, Warsaw and Union (MO) recorded the hottest temperature ever in Missouri, soaring to 118°. It was on this day that Illinois also set their all-time record high. East St. Louis, Illinois reached 117°. The summer of 1954 has gone down in history for its record heat wave.

Let me know when it gets to be over 118 degrees in Missouri this year...

You climate alarmist crack me up sometime...
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I am thinking of global average temp.. I think it will increase again this year. More ice will melt in our glaciers, and there is no slowing down in sight. All the particulars will vary widely. :)
 
Paco Dennis said:
I am thinking of global average temp.. I think it will increase again this year. More ice will melt in our glaciers, and there is no slowing down in sight. All the particulars will vary widely. :)
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IMO this is one of the few issues which both sides make good points .

Timewise 60+ said:
Paco...see below

On July 14, 1954, Warsaw and Union (MO) recorded the hottest temperature ever in Missouri, soaring to 118°. It was on this day that Illinois also set their all-time record high. East St. Louis, Illinois reached 117°. The summer of 1954 has gone down in history for its record heat wave.

Let me know when it gets to be over 118 degrees in Missouri this year...

You climate alarmist crack me up sometime...
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Would have never thought


July 14, 1954 - Missouri Life
 
Timewise 60+ said:
Paco...see below

On July 14, 1954, Warsaw and Union (MO) recorded the hottest temperature ever in Missouri, soaring to 118°. It was on this day that Illinois also set their all-time record high. East St. Louis, Illinois reached 117°. The summer of 1954 has gone down in history for its record heat wave.
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Scientists don't look at an atypical heat wave in three small towns of the Midwest back in 1954 and base global climate measurements on such a small data set.
 
JustDave said:
Scientists don't look at an atypical heat wave in three small towns of the Midwest back in 1954 and base global climate measurements on such a small data set.
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Dave, I would bet you also understand that using "averages" is the lowest form of analytics. They seldom can be trusted to determine science...e.g. using trends based on actual repetitive periods would be a much better from of analysis, provided you had a long enough historical run of data...
 
They predict the weather better because they can observe it much better than say in 1940.
10's of billions are spent watching, measuring and rewatching it. Meteorologists spend 10's
of hours just rewatching the radar after the storm. The more they think they know about it
the more it kicks them in the Arss. Wait till the next dust bowl happens. Someone will
run around with his finger stuck up the crack in a dam somewhere.

I seriously doubt they have changed a dang thing in 75 years. Over the Centuries Tornados
probably scrub all near flat land back flat. I suppose leveling the Ozarks will reduce them.

I suppose leveling the Rockys will reduce the -C temps in Canada. Reduce the weather in the N.E.
Or S.E. If the Gulf Current changes maybe the Himma Canes will g away and hit Somewhere else.
 
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papa tiger said:
They predict the weather better because they can observe it much better than say in 1940.
10's of billions are spent watching, measuring and rewatching it. Meteorologists spend 10's
of hours just rewatching the radar after the storm. The more they think they know about it
the more it kicks them in the Arss. Wait till the next dust bowl happens. Someone will
run around with his finger stuck up the crack in a dam somewhere.

I seriously doubt they have changed a dang thing in 75 years. Over the Centuries Tornados
probably scrub all near flat land back flat. I suppose leveling the Ozarks will reduce them.

I suppose leveling the Rockys will reduce the -C temps in Canada. Reduce the weather in the N.E.
Or S.E. If the Gulf Current changes maybe the Himma Canes will g away and hit Somewhere else.
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There are several inaccuracies and misconceptions about global warming, meteorology, and climate science in your post. Here are a few.


1. Confusing Weather with Climate​

  • The essay conflates weather (short-term atmospheric conditions) with climate (long-term patterns and trends). While meteorologists predict weather, climate scientists study long-term changes in climate, including global warming. The ability to predict weather more accurately today compared to 1940 does not negate the reality of global warming, which is based on decades of data and trends.

2. Misunderstanding the Role of Meteorologists​

  • The essay suggests that meteorologists spend excessive time "rewatching the radar" and implies that their efforts are futile. However, meteorologists play a critical role in understanding weather patterns and improving forecasts. Their work is separate from climate science, which focuses on long-term changes in Earth's climate system.

3. Dismissal of Scientific Progress​

  • The claim that "they haven't changed a dang thing in 75 years" ignores the significant advancements in climate science, technology, and data collection over the past century. Satellite technology, computer modeling, and global collaboration have greatly improved our understanding of climate change.

4. Misleading Statements About Geography and Climate​

  • The essay suggests that leveling mountain ranges like the Ozarks or Rockies would reduce tornadoes or cold temperatures in Canada. This is scientifically inaccurate. Mountain ranges influence weather patterns, but their removal would not eliminate extreme weather events or significantly alter global climate systems.

5. Misrepresentation of Ocean Currents and Hurricanes​

  • The essay mentions the Gulf Stream and implies that changes in ocean currents could redirect hurricanes ("Himma Canes") elsewhere. While ocean currents do influence weather patterns, the relationship between climate change, ocean currents, and hurricanes is complex. Climate change is expected to intensify hurricanes and alter their paths, but this is not a simple matter of redirecting them to "somewhere else."

6. Lack of Evidence-Based Arguments​

  • The essay relies on sarcasm and anecdotal claims rather than scientific evidence. For example, the reference to the "next dust bowl" and someone "running around with his finger stuck up the crack in a dam" is hyperbolic and does not contribute to a meaningful discussion about global warming.

7. Ignoring the Consensus on Global Warming​

  • The essay dismisses the scientific consensus on global warming without providing credible counterarguments. The overwhelming majority of climate scientists agree that human activities, such as burning fossil fuels, are driving global warming. This consensus is based on extensive research and data.

8. Misuse of Historical Events​

  • The reference to the Dust Bowl (a period of severe dust storms in the 1930s) is misleading. While the Dust Bowl was caused by a combination of poor land management and drought, it is not directly comparable to modern climate change, which is driven by human-induced greenhouse gas emissions.

Conclusion​

The essay is inaccurate because it misrepresents the science of climate change, conflates weather and climate, and relies on flawed logic and sarcasm rather than evidence-based arguments. To accurately discuss global warming, it is essential to rely on peer-reviewed research, credible sources, and a clear understanding of the distinction between weather and climate.
 
Timewise 60+ said:
Dave, I would bet you also understand that using "averages" is the lowest form of analytics. They seldom can be trusted to determine science...e.g. using trends based on actual repetitive periods would be a much better from of analysis, provided you had a long enough historical run of data...
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I think it depends on what you want to do. If you want to know the average global temperature today. You gather thousands upon thousands of temperatures from all over the globe and average them.That renders a close approximation of today's global temperature. But in determining average yearly temps, you need to average the daily (ideally) temps from all those data points every day and average the averages. But you can't do anything with that to determine a trend unless, as you point out, you chart those yearly averages over time and to see which way the chart indicates. Even that doesn't help much unless you chart over many many years. That East Saint Louis had an all time high of 118 degrees one day in 1954, tells us nothing about climate change.

But even this focus on temperatures is a minor part of the picture. CO2 output can be mathematically calculated, and CO2 levels can be measured. We know what is happening. The fossil fuel industry made measurements and calculations 60 years ago that predicted global warming, but they kept them classified, a wise business decision for them. They know it, climatologists know it, and those who don't know it often deny it. And we will have better information 50 years from now. Maybe the temperature trend will reverse. Ha!

But two degrees warmer? Who cares? I can deal with that any day of the summer. Droughts, forest fires, tornadoes, and devastating economic consequences are more problematic.
 

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