Climate Change is in Turbo Mode.

The best thing we can do in the USA is to stop spending billions to reduce our carbon output by a small amount. Instead spend the billions to develop low-cost solar and wind technology that is cheap enough that the smaller countries don’t have to build so many coal powered electric power plants.
I priced solar roof panels and what I would save in a year would take me 20 years just to make it worthwhile .

I do see more and more going up now which is good if they can hold up to hurricane level 1 or 2 but no one knows yet .
 

The best thing we can do in the USA is to stop spending billions to reduce our carbon output by a small amount. Instead spend the billions to develop low-cost solar and wind technology that is cheap enough that the smaller countries don’t have to build so many coal powered electric power plants.
Who is this "we" though?

Was existing power technology developed and built out through central planning, funded on the backs of the people and businesses through taxation? No.

Europe is trying this path, and much of it has ended up in fairly dire straits with regard to energy. They thought they could deindustrialize and live off paper-pushing but this has lead to massive private and sovereign debt, and an energy pinch that has deindustrialization raging out of control beyond its intended limit.
 
Who is this "we" though?

Was existing power technology developed and built out through central planning, funded on the backs of the people and businesses through taxation? No.

Europe is trying this path, and much of it has ended up in fairly dire straits with regard to energy. They thought they could deindustrialize and live off paper-pushing but this has lead to massive private and sovereign debt, and an energy pinch that has deindustrialization raging out of control beyond its intended limit.
Going green works when it actually works as far as efficient and you are correct as of today not the case .

I believe in solar , windmills , etc as supplement energy but like you have stated in Europe they had to go right back to buying oil and their electricity prices are a horror .
 

Going green works when it actually works as far as efficient and you are correct as of today not the case .

I believe in solar , windmills , etc as supplement energy but like you have stated in Europe they had to go right back to buying oil and their electricity prices are a horror .
But its 220 Volt at the outlets! ... :ROFLMAO: ... & France discovers $$$ Trillions in White Hydrogen. Problems solver! Pipe that pure gas to huge Boilers. Bingo lots of Electrical power. Belief is below mountains is full of pure white Hydrogen.
 
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The problem with solar and wind in my area is that the big demand for electricity occurs durring the Winter months when the sun shine is weaker, it shines for under 10 hours a day, and there is little wind when the freezing cold fronts move into the area.
 
I have noticed the Wind turbines here shut down with 12 MPH winds too. Whole bunch over 180, mostly just slowly
turning enough to keep the thing warm. Some have snapped off with stronger winds, took lots of inspections / weeks to get
them back running. There just isn't a free game except maybe White HYDROGEN directly piped to huge boilers.
When it comes to Solar it will take millions of acres of them and huge batteries to store their electricity. Mostly ignorant.
When you look at Solar on home roofs, things like the wrong design comes to mind, Chimneys, shadows, shade, More Ignorance.
Most all homes need redesigned. Give up all yard space for Black solar installs. What a life.
 
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Interesting, but this post describes a lifestyle that was sustainable on an individual level, it is not scalable to the global population. The world's population has grown significantly, and not everyone can live on a self-sufficient farm. The romanticized view overlooks the hardships and limitations of such a lifestyle, including lack of access to modern healthcare, education, and other services. Also, The transition from rural to urban living was driven by industrialization, which brought about significant advancements in technology, medicine, and quality of life for many people. While it has also led to environmental degradation, it is not accurate to blame urbanization alone for current issues without considering the broader historical and economic context.

The post simplifies complex issues like pollution, climate change, and societal degradation by attributing them solely to urbanization and the abandonment of rural lifestyles. These problems are systemic and require comprehensive, systemic solutions that address industrial practices, economic policies, and global cooperation. In fact it implies that returning to a past way of living is the solution, which dismisses the role of science, technology, and innovation in creating sustainable solutions for the future. Modern challenges require modern solutions, including renewable energy, sustainable agriculture, and circular economies. Also, The idealized past often overlooks issues of social justice and equity. Not everyone had access to the idyllic lifestyle described, and many faced significant hardships, discrimination, and inequality. Addressing current challenges must include considerations of equity and justice for all people.

Though the response highlights valuable aspects of sustainable living, it is inappropriate because it oversimplifies complex issues, romanticizes the past, and dismisses the need for modern, science-based solutions to address the urgent and interconnected challenges of climate change and societal degradation.
Well, I have to disagree. In terms of the 2 farms in our family, neither used chemicals, both families rotated crops, and to this very day, both farms, produce amazing food. No degradation of soil, no pollution, no runoff. No modern challenges to life. Produce food, work your farm, raise kids to take over and keep going. Yes there would be challenges, but you adapt. There was no complexity, no issues. Things have not changed since inception. Essentially the same life.

As for renewable energy, both families lived it. Sustainable-same. One farm is self contained, self reliant, the other is not. Cost of living issues, housing issues, homelessness, food insecurity does not affect them. Both say there is no climate change that affects them. Some years better growing seasons, some years not. Sometimes too much snow causes later planting, sometimes, not enough results in dryer fields needing more irrigation. Same things all farmers since the beginning of time has had to deal with. Their chickens produce way too many eggs, the fields produce lots of foods, and the few animals they still keep are for self sufficiency. They don't rely on the grocery store to survive. Egg or meat prices don't matter to them. Sell their excess to buy what they need.

And as for not everyone can do it, maybe not, but both sides of our family (wife and I) grew up and lived that way. Some still do, so it is doable.
Societal degradation is a totally different matter, that doe not pertain to them directly. If, a big if, society gets to that point, the cities would be decimated long before the farms, and at that point, I'm pretty sure both families who own a lot of firearms would defend their property to the end.

Yes I do agree with your point that not everyone has access to it, and yes the world is messed up to a massive degree.
But...there was a study that showed and proved there is more than enough land for everyone, enough resources for everyone and that there is enough food produced to feed north of 12-15 billion people using current farming techniques. Better inventions and integration of new tech and farming could produce much more.
Also, another study showed the earth has no where near 8 billion people. Its quite fabricated. More likely 4 billion.
He and his team took the 300 most populous cities in India from top to bottom. When they added up them all they barely passed 500 million. Since India is purported to have 1.4 give or take, where are the other almost 1 billion? He then did the same with China.
I am not saying anything either way, but there are a lot of unanswered questions.
 
In general the problem with current tech is it uses fossil fuels to create, never gets back what it used to create it, it doesn't even come close to producing anything sustainable.
A recent scientist here in EU said that tech is minimum 35 years away before it becomes worth it or anyway near beneficial.
Thats why many EU countries are building Nuclear plants. Not saying green tech won't help eventually but we are a long way from anything affordable or beneficial yet. Not in my lifetime, maybe not in my kids lifetime. Eventually sure. I think its out there, just not holding out hope just yet.
 
Well, I have to disagree. In terms of the 2 farms in our family, neither used chemicals, both families rotated crops, and to this very day, both farms, produce amazing food. No degradation of soil, no pollution, no runoff. No modern challenges to life. Produce food, work your farm, raise kids to take over and keep going. Yes there would be challenges, but you adapt. There was no complexity, no issues. Things have not changed since inception. Essentially the same life.

As for renewable energy, both families lived it. Sustainable-same. One farm is self contained, self reliant, the other is not. Cost of living issues, housing issues, homelessness, food insecurity does not affect them. Both say there is no climate change that affects them. Some years better growing seasons, some years not. Sometimes too much snow causes later planting, sometimes, not enough results in dryer fields needing more irrigation. Same things all farmers since the beginning of time has had to deal with. Their chickens produce way too many eggs, the fields produce lots of foods, and the few animals they still keep are for self sufficiency. They don't rely on the grocery store to survive. Egg or meat prices don't matter to them. Sell their excess to buy what they need.

And as for not everyone can do it, maybe not, but both sides of our family (wife and I) grew up and lived that way. Some still do, so it is doable.
Societal degradation is a totally different matter, that doe not pertain to them directly. If, a big if, society gets to that point, the cities would be decimated long before the farms, and at that point, I'm pretty sure both families who own a lot of firearms would defend their property to the end.

Yes I do agree with your point that not everyone has access to it, and yes the world is messed up to a massive degree.
But...there was a study that showed and proved there is more than enough land for everyone, enough resources for everyone and that there is enough food produced to feed north of 12-15 billion people using current farming techniques. Better inventions and integration of new tech and farming could produce much more.
Also, another study showed the earth has no where near 8 billion people. Its quite fabricated. More likely 4 billion.
He and his team took the 300 most populous cities in India from top to bottom. When they added up them all they barely passed 500 million. Since India is purported to have 1.4 give or take, where are the other almost 1 billion? He then did the same with China.
I am not saying anything either way, but there are a lot of unanswered questions.
Pipe Dream.
 

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