biblical stories tell that Abrahams wife almost forced him to have sex with her maidservant [of a different tribe/race] and the offspring was the beginner of Islam in the world, She then got pregnant herself and had a first jewish baby who became the beginner of Judaism in the world - so if ya got any problems pop along to Abrahams tomb and have a quiet word with him after you've decided which side you can enter?
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correct me if wrong [and I am sure you will] but before the Balfour Agreement there were no Jews living in the area only Palestinians - then there were arguments and counter-arguments about the land which was then either managed or owned by the brits - anyway it seems some Jews got impatient with the slow movement of discussions and started zionism and developed 'hit squads' to target hotels etc - read it all up it is a fascinating but 'orrible tale. the brits had defeated the Otomans I believe and were sorta caretaking the land and just gave up and moved out leaving it for the Jews to move in and start badgering the Palestinians already there to move out and did it in most unpleasant ways
Isn't this a thread about campus protests, not Zionism or Balfour Agreements which are now moot anyway...........unless you people are calling for its undoing, now all these years later............are you?
Anyway, not about to get into disputes dealing blah blah with folks from the prairie who probably never even met an Arab or a Jew, blabbing away old blah blah, being ignorant of the real people involved in this neverending drama.
Just the facts, ma'am or gent.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/...rhetoric-against-columbia-protesters-00155347
Palestinians and Arabs own the majority of the so called "bodegas" and smoke shops which surround the campus. Young Arab men hang around all day, infiltrating by socialization. I've seen it in my own neighborhood.
So, go quote tomes on the last seventy years. I know what is going on right now, don't need to quote or "research" stuff I grew up on and already know. Don't need lectures from an ignorant know it all from the prairies. I know the situation now. I live right in the middle of it. Go shove your shit somewhere else. This is real life serious business.
Bunch of self righteous folks with superiority complexes here. Can quote, can muse, can blab blah blah all day but in the end their "knowledge" is worthless.
Balfour, zionism, MOOT. Israel exists and they are not going anywhere to suit some closet anti semites.
Anyway, not about to get into disputes dealing blah blah with folks from the prairie who probably never even met an Arab or a Jew, blabbing away old blah blah, being ignorant of the real people involved in this neverending drama.
Just the facts, ma'am or gent.
Warning of ‘outside agitators,’ Eric Adams escalates rhetoric against Columbia protesters
The New York City mayor, flanked by NYPD brass, urged students to cease demonstrations at the university Tuesday evening.https://www.politico.com/news/2024/...rhetoric-against-columbia-protesters-00155347
Palestinians and Arabs own the majority of the so called "bodegas" and smoke shops which surround the campus. Young Arab men hang around all day, infiltrating by socialization. I've seen it in my own neighborhood.
So, go quote tomes on the last seventy years. I know what is going on right now, don't need to quote or "research" stuff I grew up on and already know. Don't need lectures from an ignorant know it all from the prairies. I know the situation now. I live right in the middle of it. Go shove your shit somewhere else. This is real life serious business.
Bunch of self righteous folks with superiority complexes here. Can quote, can muse, can blab blah blah all day but in the end their "knowledge" is worthless.
Balfour, zionism, MOOT. Israel exists and they are not going anywhere to suit some closet anti semites.
No, it is not and I resent your implication. As a matter of fact, I have been awake since 1230 am. Fell asleep listening to a particular station giving great coverage of the cops coming into Columbia. A newscaster said some protesters are gathering together to go from Columbia north 20 blocks to City College. These two schools have always been close and worked together. Still do, it seems.
How many times did SDS from City and Columbia join together in the sixties? How many times did we make that walk together with the heavy chant of PEACE NOW in the air? Hundreds of times? And the residents, the folks of Harlem, would join in, join us. Because it was a Labor of Love, not anti semitic hate and infliltrators from radical muslim groups.
You know nothing about me davey, don't you dare assume what is in my mind. Don't assume to know all I have studied, worked at and done in my very diverse life.
VaughanJB
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Boston Tea Party (1773)
Coxey’s Army (1894)
Women's Suffrage (1913)
The Bonus March (1932)
Civil Rights Marches (1963-5)
March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom (1963)
March on the Pentagon (1967)
Kent State Shootings (1970)
Tea Party Tax Day Protest (2009)
March for Life (2017)
Those pesky protestors, always moaning about something I guess. Plus bad fashion choices! When will the horror end?
The protests are not, in any way, anti semitic. You know, it's okay to protest the actions of the Israeli government. Doing so is most definitely not automatically anti-semitic. If you protest the US government, are you anti-Christian? I assume you know women, children, and people with nothing to do with Hamas are being killed daily? That people are starving to death? You don't need to be an "infiltrator" or a "radical Muslim" to care about them. Frankly, such statements are what people hide behind to justify the unjustifiable, imo.
Coxey’s Army (1894)
Women's Suffrage (1913)
The Bonus March (1932)
Civil Rights Marches (1963-5)
March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom (1963)
March on the Pentagon (1967)
Kent State Shootings (1970)
Tea Party Tax Day Protest (2009)
March for Life (2017)
Those pesky protestors, always moaning about something I guess. Plus bad fashion choices! When will the horror end?
The protests are not, in any way, anti semitic. You know, it's okay to protest the actions of the Israeli government. Doing so is most definitely not automatically anti-semitic. If you protest the US government, are you anti-Christian? I assume you know women, children, and people with nothing to do with Hamas are being killed daily? That people are starving to death? You don't need to be an "infiltrator" or a "radical Muslim" to care about them. Frankly, such statements are what people hide behind to justify the unjustifiable, imo.
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Mobilman44
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I noticed something about the lists of historical US protests that Vaughan posted. All of those protests were about what affected Americans in America. Today's protests are over events outside of America that do not affect DIRECTLY this country or its citizens.
When they pull the protestors out of the University, I wonder how many are actually students there - or even local residents.
I lived thru the '60s and believe me, it was a scary time here in the USA. Is that where we are going again now? Or maybe we are already there....
When they pull the protestors out of the University, I wonder how many are actually students there - or even local residents.
I lived thru the '60s and believe me, it was a scary time here in the USA. Is that where we are going again now? Or maybe we are already there....
IMO, this is way worse than the sixties @Mobilman44
VaughanJB
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Since this is predominantly a US audience, I do tend to tilt my posts toward American interests/history/laws etc. Hell, I even use US spellings most of the time, although I'm from the UK. Just trying to keep things relevant to the audience.
Israel and the US have a complex relationship. I think it's at a point where, in the US, speaking against something the Israeli government does is forbidden, and likely to automatically get you labelled an anti-Semite. In other words, it's nigh on impossible to engage in a discussion. In Europe it's different.
VaughanJB
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From what I see and read, it's far worse right now. Social Media isn't helping, in fact the opposite. But overall, I see a more divided country.
I do not think you are an anti-semite. @VaughanJB. It never crossed my mind, not once, I swear and assure you of that. I know one when I see/hear one. It's a spidey sense and quite accurate.
VaughanJB
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Honestly, I just hate war. At the very least, I'd like things to be proportionate. The stories coming out of Gaza are disgraceful. Our government (the UK) have let the Israeli government know they've lost the moral high ground, but the Israeli leader doesn't care and is threatening more death. And of course, we keep sending munitions.
I also really hate that we have war in Europe, and things hotting up in Asia. Sometimes, wars are necessary, sadly. But none of them are ever good - not when we keep coming up with new ways to kill people, innocent or not. I saw a story about a Russian weapons truck being destroyed, the truck costs $250m to build Gone in a puff of smoke. Imagine. The Russian hypersonic missiles are a cool $10m each. The death is bad enough, but the monetary cost is simply disgraceful.
25,000 sq km of agricultural land likely strewn with mines in Ukraine. I could go on, it's a tragedy.
Mobilman44
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I'm sure those of us who lived thru the '60s in America have different views based on whatever.
I witnessed the racial and Vietnam protests and they were up close and personal to me - i.e. the riotous 1968 Chicago Democratic convention, the Rev. Martin Luther King's rough march thru Cicero, Illinois, the agitator's take over of the Ad bldg of the University of Louisville, and the "welcome home" of Vietnam Veterans (many still caring the emotional and physical scars). So when I say these were scary times, they were for me and those around me, and I guess you just "had to be there" to relate.
I witnessed the racial and Vietnam protests and they were up close and personal to me - i.e. the riotous 1968 Chicago Democratic convention, the Rev. Martin Luther King's rough march thru Cicero, Illinois, the agitator's take over of the Ad bldg of the University of Louisville, and the "welcome home" of Vietnam Veterans (many still caring the emotional and physical scars). So when I say these were scary times, they were for me and those around me, and I guess you just "had to be there" to relate.
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Physical confrontations on the UCLA campus. Police started move in after several hours of skirmishes.
https://abc7news.com/ucla-campus-protests-news-encampment/14749612/
https://abc7news.com/ucla-campus-protests-news-encampment/14749612/
Lilac
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I believe these have ceased being peaceful protests some time ago. Very sad when they ask some of the college students what they are protesting & they can't tell you why or what it is even about.
When terrorist organizations/supporters like Hamas & Iran are happy with these protests & give their support to them, what else is left to say.
Hamas and Iran celebrate anti-Gaza war protests taking US colleges by storm
When terrorist organizations/supporters like Hamas & Iran are happy with these protests & give their support to them, what else is left to say.
Hamas and Iran celebrate anti-Gaza war protests taking US colleges by storm
Trade
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What in the Hell is a "historical claim"? does that mean I can throw the people out of the house that I used to live right after I was born? If so I'd like to. It's a cool little cottage on Clearwater Beach that my parents bought for $2,000 right after WW2. I couldn't afford to buy it. According to Zillow it woulkd go for about 700K these days.
Being an Atheist I don't give much cred to Israel's claim that they are entitled to take the land from the Palestinian's because God promised it to them.
VintageBetter
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Not going to argue with you, Trade. The arguments won't solve or change a thing, so that's it. You can hold onto your ideas and I will hold to mine.
AnnieA
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Bullshit. There's plenty of footage out there of Jewish students not allowed across picket lines, being barricaded in a library, insults hurled, posters of hostages defaced. And if you go on lightly moderated boards in pro-Palestinian threads you'll read just how much hatred there is against Jews including the students at the institutions stupid enough to let protestors disrupt the education of people who paid to be there for just that.
eta: Just saw Instagram footage of a female Jewish student on the ground being beaten and kicked by pro-Palestianian protesters. Occurred yesterday at UCLA.
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I think the administration was being very timid in this matter. NYDP should have been called in when the first deadline was not met. It is very foolish to draw a line in the sand and then turn a blind eye as that line is crossed. When that takes place authority is cast to the wind. Those who were instigating the protest, to include a well known professional protest consultant ( whoever heard of that one before), should have been arrested on the spot. It appears to me that many of the students were either thrill seeking or just foolish and immature lookie lou's
Is it foolishness on my part, or are the non-student instigators just as guilty of actionable crimes as someone committing hostage actions or violence on the subways. If a "professional protest consultant" who must by definition get monetary reward for protest involvement is arrested, it seems the authorities are afraid to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. Put that person in jail with some hardened criminals and see if there isn't a change of tune. Many of those at the microphone were misguided and insecure persons seeking attention. Well, give them some. Rikers Island is attention.
AnnieA
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Then you probably know the US House of Representatives is set to vote Wednesday on a bipartisan bill called the Antisemitism Awareness Act which, if passed, will mandate that the Department of Education adopt the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance's antisemitism definition when enforcing anti-discrimination laws. Apparently some US lawmakers don't agree with your opinion.
Once again the politician providing a solution without a problem. Politicians seek to garner votes by legislation as a way to say that something was done. Even if their bill fails it will be a sound byte in their next campaign speech.
Remy
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It's a good thing I never had kids. If I had a kid at one of these so called protests, I'd grab them by the shirt collar and shove them in the car hitting their head like a bad cop. I'd be outraged my education dollars went to that. And they'd be taking out loans to go to a junior college after that.
The professional instigator crowd is now known to be at Columbia.
The professional instigator crowd is now known to be at Columbia.