Columbus Day - Now a Controversial Observance
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jujube
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Not that I can think of. There's always someone just "itching" to be offended by something.......
I am looking forward to when this FAD ends to twist yourself in knots to take offense is so done.....
People need to get a grip on themselves and media should quit chasing such nonsense. like a screaming toddler once they seen no one is listening they grow tired of the hysterics
jimintoronto
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I wonder how many Americans know that the first European contact in North America was a Norse/Viking village in north western Newfoundland around 1000 B.C. ? The present day site is at L' Anse aux Meadows and it is a national historic site in Canada. link. L'Anse aux Meadows National Historic Site. It was discovered in 1960. JimB.
debodun
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No, as usual, no one is as informed as you. Hate to break your heart, but most people have heard this.
RadishRose
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Yep Pepper, we all know.
Nathan
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People get hurt and outraged when the fairy tales they grew up get exposed.
We all were raised and taught a certain way and I am not going to let a select few that are "offended" by everything in history change the way I live my life . I sure don't care what they were brought up to believe or taught in school. It is just outrageous what offends people theses days.
Flarbalard
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I had to think of Philip Roth ... and Richard Benjamin, et al.
Washington Post frets about 'violent history' of pumpkin spice
The Washington Post is putting a damper on the fall by invoking the "violent history" of America's beloved seasonal tradition: pumpkin spice.
The report titled "Fall’s favorite spice blend has a violent history" set the scene of the Dutch's 1621 invasion of the Banda Islands (located in modern day Indonesia), detailing that "Thousands were killed, others enslaved, and many who fled to the mountains were starved out."
University of Texas at Austin historian Adam Clulow told The Post, "The Dutch company was later accused of carrying out what some describe as the first instance of corporate genocide. . . . And it was all for nutmeg." The report notes that nutmeg is "one of three key spices in the blend known as pumpkin spice."
Wait someone has their pants in a bunch over nutmeg now ..... LOL this shows how far people will go to FIND a reason to be OFFENDED
The Washington Post is putting a damper on the fall by invoking the "violent history" of America's beloved seasonal tradition: pumpkin spice.
The report titled "Fall’s favorite spice blend has a violent history" set the scene of the Dutch's 1621 invasion of the Banda Islands (located in modern day Indonesia), detailing that "Thousands were killed, others enslaved, and many who fled to the mountains were starved out."
University of Texas at Austin historian Adam Clulow told The Post, "The Dutch company was later accused of carrying out what some describe as the first instance of corporate genocide. . . . And it was all for nutmeg." The report notes that nutmeg is "one of three key spices in the blend known as pumpkin spice."
Wait someone has their pants in a bunch over nutmeg now ..... LOL this shows how far people will go to FIND a reason to be OFFENDED
Paco Dennis
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We should question why we as Americans continue to celebrate him without knowing the true history of his legacy, and why a holiday was created in the first place.
The first Columbus Day celebration took place on October 12, 1792, when the Columbian Order of New York, better known as Tammany Hall, held an event to commemorate the 300th anniversary of the historic landing.[5]
Many Italian Americans observe Columbus Day as a celebration of their heritage and not of Columbus himself, and the day was celebrated in New York City on October 12, 1866.[6] The day was first enshrined as a legal holiday in the United States through the lobbying of Angelo Noce, a first-generation American, in Denver.[7] The first statewide holiday was proclaimed by Colorado governor Jesse F. McDonald in 1905, and it was made a statutory holiday in 1907.
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Columbus Day - Wikipedia
Studying the history of his discoveries has found that he was not as heroic as the glorified story goes.
Not everything you learned about Christopher Columbus is true
But Columbus wasn’t the first to discover the New World. Indigenous people had been living there for centuries by the time he arrived in 1492 and Leif Eriksson and the Vikings beat him to it five centuries earlier.
Columbus and his men enslaved many of these native people and treated them with extreme violence and brutality, according to History.com.
Throughout his years in the Americas, Columbus forced natives to work for the sake of profits. Later, he sent thousands of Taino “Indians” to Spain to be sold, and many of them died during the journey. The natives who weren’t sold into slavery were forced to look for gold in mines and work on plantations.
While he was governor of what is now the Dominican Republic, Columbus killed many natives in response to their revolt, according to History.com. To prevent further rebellion, he would have the dead bodies paraded through the streets.
The Taino population weren’t immune to diseases such as smallpox, measles and influenza, which were brought to their island of Hispaniola by Columbus and his men. In 1492, there were an estimated 250,000 indigenous people in Hispaniola, but by 1517, only 14,000 remained, according to the Oklahoma Medical Research Foundation.
Some historians believe that the impact of European and African settlers in the New World possibly killed as much as 90% of the native populations and was deadlier than the Black Death was in medieval Europe, OMRF said.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/12/us/c...slaved the natives,, according to History.com.
The first Columbus Day celebration took place on October 12, 1792, when the Columbian Order of New York, better known as Tammany Hall, held an event to commemorate the 300th anniversary of the historic landing.[5]
Many Italian Americans observe Columbus Day as a celebration of their heritage and not of Columbus himself, and the day was celebrated in New York City on October 12, 1866.[6] The day was first enshrined as a legal holiday in the United States through the lobbying of Angelo Noce, a first-generation American, in Denver.[7] The first statewide holiday was proclaimed by Colorado governor Jesse F. McDonald in 1905, and it was made a statutory holiday in 1907.
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Columbus Day - Wikipedia
Studying the history of his discoveries has found that he was not as heroic as the glorified story goes.
He wasn’t the first to discover the Americas
There’s no doubt that Columbus’ voyages had an “undeniable historical impact, sparking the great age of Atlantic exploration, trade and eventually colonization by Europeans,” according to historian David M. Perry, who wrote an op-ed for CNN about Columbus Day in 2015.Not everything you learned about Christopher Columbus is true
But Columbus wasn’t the first to discover the New World. Indigenous people had been living there for centuries by the time he arrived in 1492 and Leif Eriksson and the Vikings beat him to it five centuries earlier.
He enslaved the natives
During his voyages through the Caribbean islands and the Central and South American coasts, Columbus came upon indigenous people that he labeled “Indians.”Columbus and his men enslaved many of these native people and treated them with extreme violence and brutality, according to History.com.
Throughout his years in the Americas, Columbus forced natives to work for the sake of profits. Later, he sent thousands of Taino “Indians” to Spain to be sold, and many of them died during the journey. The natives who weren’t sold into slavery were forced to look for gold in mines and work on plantations.
While he was governor of what is now the Dominican Republic, Columbus killed many natives in response to their revolt, according to History.com. To prevent further rebellion, he would have the dead bodies paraded through the streets.
He brought new diseases
The indigenous societies of the Americas “were decimated by exposure to Old World diseases, crumbling under the weight of epidemic,” Perry wrote in his CNN op-ed.The Taino population weren’t immune to diseases such as smallpox, measles and influenza, which were brought to their island of Hispaniola by Columbus and his men. In 1492, there were an estimated 250,000 indigenous people in Hispaniola, but by 1517, only 14,000 remained, according to the Oklahoma Medical Research Foundation.
Some historians believe that the impact of European and African settlers in the New World possibly killed as much as 90% of the native populations and was deadlier than the Black Death was in medieval Europe, OMRF said.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/12/us/c...slaved the natives,, according to History.com.
John cycling
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National Indigenous People's Day <-- the essay.
"All of the information in this essay came from "A People's History of the United States," by Howard Zinn, and "Lies My Teacher Told Me," by James W. Loewen, both of which used primary sources such as eyewitness accounts, journal entries, and letters from Christopher Columbus himself."
"All of the information in this essay came from "A People's History of the United States," by Howard Zinn, and "Lies My Teacher Told Me," by James W. Loewen, both of which used primary sources such as eyewitness accounts, journal entries, and letters from Christopher Columbus himself."
