Compassion for The Homeless

Grailhunter57 said:
Again, I am not talking about the regular people down on their luck. Most of the homeless have mental issues.....not capable of working. Retarded and Schizophrenic and paranoia. Most will not stay in a homeless shelter.....freeze to death with a homeless shelter blocks away.

If the mayor of New York make bus service free they will live on buses.
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You are making a distinction in the kind of people who should receive the assistance you favor, but unfortunately, that does not address the point(s) from my post #88. Economics, practicality, and facilities are huge factors in these matters.

I'll hand it to you that "If the mayor of New York makes bus service free they will live on buses." I guess you're assuming that would be good? He might want to check with the cities of Tucson and Portland to see how well that worked out for them. From all I've read, they reported a rise in assaults, drug use, and disruptive behavior, making buses a mobile refuge for undersirables, overhwelming the systems, and deterring regular users.
 
As someone posted a calculation that the world will end in 2060, why don't we all just enjoy our time
we have left, be proud of the fact we earned our living, fought our own battles, tried to pass our knowledge
onto the ones behind us, eat some popcorn and watch the unfolding.
Deaf ears won't hear, the has to be me mentality isn't decreasing, the I want what I want now is the new norm,
and they sure are not going to listen to a group of elderly anyway.
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MACKTEXAS said:
You are making a distinction in the kind of people who should receive the assistance you favor, but unfortunately, that does not address the point(s) from my post #88. Economics, practicality, and facilities are huge factors in these matters.

I'll hand it to you that "If the mayor of New York makes bus service free they will live on buses." I guess you're assuming that would be good? He might want to check with the cities of Tucson and Portland to see how well that worked out for them. From all I've read, they reported a rise in assaults, drug use, and disruptive behavior, making buses a mobile refuge for undersirables, overhwelming the systems, and deterring regular users.
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We have asylum seekers. They can just drive over the border with Germany. There are loads of criminals who won't get asylum. Nobody wants them. They keep them in one city. The whole city is ruined. Constant stealing. Nobody wants to give 1/3 of their income to give them a neat house, while working 30 year olds can't get a house and have to keep living with their parents. I think that's more comparable with the situation in America.
 
MACKTEXAS said:
You are making a distinction in the kind of people who should receive the assistance you favor, but unfortunately, that does not address the point(s) from my post #88. Economics, practicality, and facilities are huge factors in these matters.

I'll hand it to you that "If the mayor of New York makes bus service free they will live on buses." I guess you're assuming that would be good? He might want to check with the cities of Tucson and Portland to see how well that worked out for them. From all I've read, they reported a rise in assaults, drug use, and disruptive behavior, making buses a mobile refuge for undersirables, overhwelming the systems, and deterring regular users.
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No I do not think riding buses would be good. I favor? I favor all of them but you have to do the right thing. I you offer help to some one that will accept it, that is a good thing. But a lot of homeless do not want it.
 
Messy said:
America, they have loads and loads of homeless people. How on earth can you help all these people?
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Good question since where I live the homeless population is as you say "loads of people."

According to the 2024 Point-in-Time Count, conducted on January 25, 2024, the homeless population in Clark County is reported to be 7,906. This figure represents a 20% increase compared to the previous year, which had a count of 6,566 individuals

That point in time count is from 2024 there isn't a recent time in point count. I imagine that count has increased since decreasing never seems to happen.
 
Messy said:
working 30 year olds can't get a house and have to keep living with their parents. I think that's more comparable with the situation in America.
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Not in my corner of the USA.
I have kids in their 30s. They and their friends of comparable age are married and NOT living with their parents. The majority are homeowners as it is cheaper to own a home than to pay rent.

The USA is huge, and not every state has the same cost of living. Heck, areas WITHIN a state do not have the same cost of living.
 
That Lady in PA said:
Not in my corner of the USA.
I have kids in their 30s. They and their friends of comparable age are married and NOT living with their parents. The majority are homeowners as it is cheaper to own a home than to pay rent.

The USA is huge, and not every state has the same cost of living. Heck, areas WITHIN a state do not have the same cost of living.
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My grandson in college is talking about staying around the college area when he graduates to see if he can get work there (Upper Virginia bordering Washington D.C.) Dad told him, before you rush into this, you have 2 years, look up what it will cost to live there and see if you
think you need to begin saving up." Grandson did some checking called dad "OMG Dad! a small studio apartment is $1,900 a month!"
Bingo!
 
Knight said:
Good question since where I live the homeless population is as you say "loads of people."

According to the 2024 Point-in-Time Count, conducted on January 25, 2024, the homeless population in Clark County is reported to be 7,906. This figure represents a 20% increase compared to the previous year, which had a count of 6,566 individuals

That point in time count is from 2024 there isn't a recent time in point count. I imagine that count has increased since decreasing never seems to happen.
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Gelderland Zuid: 1040 km2, 584.000 residents, 1357 homeless, but 1/3 sleeps with family or friends, 1/5 in a vacation home or car, 19 percent in homeless shelters and 8 percent = 108 people sleep on the street.

Clark County: 20,955 km² 2024 approximately 2.4 million residents
7,906 homeless
 
IrishEyes said:
My grandson in college is talking about staying around the college area when he graduates to see if he can get work there (Upper Virginia bordering Washington D.C.) Dad told him, before you rush into this, you have 2 years, look up what it will cost to live there and see if you
think you need to begin saving up." Grandson did some checking called dad "OMG Dad! a small studio apartment is $1,900 a month!"
Bingo!
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Yep.The people in that area have roommates... sometimes three roommates!


Meanwhile you can get a house in my area for under $1000 a month.
Our mortgage is just over $800, son's is 900-something for a 4 br house on over 20 acres.
 
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IrishEyes said:
My grandson in college is talking about staying around the college area when he graduates to see if he can get work there (Upper Virginia bordering Washington D.C.) Dad told him, before you rush into this, you have 2 years, look up what it will cost to live there and see if you
think you need to begin saving up." Grandson did some checking called dad "OMG Dad! a small studio apartment is $1,900 a month!"
Bingo!
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Off campus housing around Syracuse University is now running $1,100.00/bedroom/month.

The kids make it work.

Some, that have cars, live in my complex and split the cost of a two bedroom apartment at about $1,300.00/month among four people.


Back on topic, IMO homelessness is usually a symptom of some issue in a persons life that is more serious than a lack of funds or a shortage of housing stock. Address those problems and the housing issue along with many other issues will most likely solve themselves.
 
Aunt Bea said:
Off campus housing around Syracuse University is now running $1,100.00/bedroom/month.

The kids make it work.

Some, that have cars, live in my complex and split the cost of a two bedroom apartment at about $1,300.00/month among four people.


Back on topic, IMO homelessness is usually a symptom of some issue in a persons life that is more serious than a lack of funds or a shortage of housing stock. Address those problems and the housing issue along with many other issues will most likely solve themselves.
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1100 for 1 bedroom? That's crazy. Here they are 350 to 560, depending on the city and place. But Amsterdam is also 900 or more than 1000 for 1 room and people who have refused to work for decades just live in a house with a garden for 400 rent in the real cheap area or 650 and then they sometimes whine on tv that the neighbour's tree grows over the fence.
 
Messy said:
1100 for 1 bedroom? That's crazy. Here they are 350 to 560, depending on the city and place. But Amsterdam is also 900 or more than 1000 for 1 room and people who have refused to work for decades just live in a house with a garden for 400 rent in the real cheap area or 650 and then they sometimes whine on tv that the neighbour's tree grows over the fence.
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Do you live in Holland? Your profile doesn't state where you live.
 
I let my son's friends live with us off and on, but I would be afraid to accept a complete stranger into my home. I do have compassion, but also self preservation. DH and I give at church, and pray for those in most need of blessings.
 
there always seems enough land about unless we are talking major cities - and some people in Oz have opted for live in vans and attached tents and pay a weekly rental to stay somewhere - that's a life style some say they like as interviewed - others prefer bricks and mortar - some in cities some not - trying to mix and match the needs of the entire population in any country sounds like a bloody nightmare!! - anyone interested in a career in town planning?? arghh!!
 
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