Confederate Flag

The Confederate flag is probably as repulsive to most blacks as the swatika flag is to Jews...
 

For our non-American friends, there is a protocol as to how and when the U.S. Flag is to be flown, especially when other flags such as a state flag, the POW flag, another country's flag, etc. are flown alongside of it. There are also rules for flying the flag at night, during bad weather and how to dispose of the U.S. flag when it becomes tattered and/or torn. Growing up in a military family and myself serving in the Marines and combat, I have a great amount of respect for the flag. To this day, I still stand and place my right hand over my heart when the Star Spangled Banner is being played.

It "used" to really irritate me to watch on TV people in other countries and here in the U.S. burning our flag. The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that burning the U.S. flag is to be allowed under the First Amendment of the Constitution.
 
Thanks everyone for the flag related info.We have the Union Jack flag to represent Britain, but also an English flag, and a few of our counties have a flag as well, but only Devon and Cornwall that I can actually think of.If anyone English on the forum knows of other counties with one, let us know.
 

oakapple said:
Thanks everyone for the flag related info.We have the Union Jack flag to represent Britain, but also an English flag, and a few of our counties have a flag as well, but only Devon and Cornwall that I can actually think of.If anyone English on the forum knows of other counties with one, let us know.
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I don't know of any counties in Scotland that have a flag but Scotland has the St Andrews flag which I see flown a lot.

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AZ Jim said:
I wonder if this angry little punk felt it was fun to do this too. The Confederate flag should come down from all government facilities in the entire South. They lost that war and we wouldn't tolerate a swastika or rising sun flag to fly here on any official building, why should it? Southern pride my ass, that's just an excuse to reflect the sickness of hate still prevalent in the south.View attachment 18783
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He's probably a member of the Communist Party or another affiliated regime of that party. I think we have quite a few here in the U.S. They have no direction in life and are easily influenced by haters and anti-government groups.

I live about 25 miles from Gettysburg and have been there more times than I am old. I have attended many lectures on the battle of Gettysburg and could probably give a tour of the battlefield, if necessary. BTW, they do a recreation every July to commemorate the battle. This year, the recreation will be held July 3-5, instead of July 1-3 when the battle was actually fought.. (It's a weekend, so it makes it easier for people to attend.) I have also spoken with many Southerners while on the battlefield and in the National Cemetery. It's amazing to listen to their stories about their Great Grandfathers and other ancestors that fought in the Civil war and at Gettysburg. I think out of the 100 or more that I have spoken with over the years, maybe ten have made a point about slavery. Most of them have told me that they have the flag either in their home or they display it outside somewhere. I have come to understand that they see it as part of their heritage and really nothing more.
 
Ralphy1 said:
The Confederate flag is probably as repulsive to most blacks as the swatika flag is to Jews...
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Did you know that while Germany has outlawed the display of the swastika, hate groups in Germany are now flying the American Confederate flag in it's place? So what does that tell you about this flag?
 
Dame Warrigal said:
Why a communist? I find this rather unlikely.
Have you read his manifesto?
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DW: In this country, a lot of racist groups are tied to communist parties or are supported in part by them. Whether it be the Aryan Brotherhood (mainly a prison organization), white supremacists, skinheads, Nazi Party etc, they have ties and proudly wear or have tattooed the swastika somewhere on their body. So, they may not be directly a member of a communist party, but more than likely have some support by the CP.
 
Sorry, oldman. I find that incredible.

Which communist party? The Communist Party of America? or somewhere else?

The Communist Party of Australia collapsed long before the fall of the Berlin Wall.
Members left in droves after the tanks rolled in to Hungary.
Even so, they were never white supremacists.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
Sorry, oldman. I find that incredible.

Which communist party? The Communist Party of America? or somewhere else?

The Communist Party of Australia collapsed long before the fall of the Berlin Wall.
Members left in droves after the tanks rolled in to Hungary.
Even so, they were never white supremacists.
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I agree.. Hate groups are NOT communists.. they may be fascist, or have fascist ideology, but NOT communist at all.
 
Oldman.... Hitler was NOT a communist..In fact he HATED communism. He was a Fascist. White Supremist groups that identify with Nazi's are not communist..

http://spartacus-educational.com/GERfascist.htm

Once in power Adolf Hitler turned Germany into a fascist state. Fascist was originally used to describe the government of Benito Mussolini in Italy. Mussolini's fascist one-party state emphasized patriotism, national unity, hatred of communism, admiration of military values and unquestioning obedience. Hitler was deeply influenced by Mussolini's Italy and his Germany shared many of the same characteristics.

The German economic system remained capitalistic but the state played a more prominent role in managing the economy. Industrialists were sometimes told what to produce and what price they should charge for the goods that they made. The government also had the power to order workers to move to where they were required.
By taking these powers Hitler's government was able to control factors such as inflation and unemployment that had caused considerable distress in previous years. As the government generally allowed companies to maintain their profit margins, industrialists tended to accept the loss of some of their freedoms.

Under fascism, most potential sources of opposition were removed. This included political parties and the trade union movement. However, Adolf Hitler never felt strong enough to take complete control of the German Army, and before taking important decisions he always had to take into consideration how the armed forces would react.
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On Meet the Press yesterday it was pointed out that the flag southerners like to call the "Confederate Flag" is actually the confederate battle flag. The confederate battle flag became more popular and prevalent as the south resisted integration and attempted to cling to segregation. This was the official confederate flag.

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Both the confederate battle flag and the confederate flag should be in a museum - if anywhere.
 
Interesting, Glinda. I did not know that. So the Georgia legislature has not strayed that far from the previous flag. I doubt if most residents here knew that either.
 
Dredging my memory here. I think the battle flag originated because, in the smoke of battle, the "Stars and Bars" were being confused with the Union's Stars and Stripes. Not a good thing. Better to have a flag with a big "X".
Yeah. Its too bad there has to be such a big hoo ha over this. I'm sure, for most, it's all about great grandpa fighting nobly to defend his home land. Unfortunately, others attach their own symbolism to these things. The Swastika is an ancient symbol. One of the groups using it were our native Americans. I believe it used to be a good luck sign. We all know where that went.
I am a huge history buff, but I do sometimes think, what are we commemorating? Its almost always about past hostilities, and "remember how we beat the * out of "those" so and so's?" On the other side, they are thinking, "We'll get them next time". So 'round and 'round we go. Let it go already. "Those people" are a long time dead. We can do better. Life is not simple.
 
Underock1 said:
Dredging my memory here. I think the battle flag originated because, in the smoke of battle, the "Stars and Bars" were being confused with the Union's Stars and Stripes. Not a good thing. Better to have a flag with a big "X".
Yeah. Its too bad there has to be such a big hoo ha over this. I'm sure, for most, it's all about great grandpa fighting nobly to defend his home land. Unfortunately, others attach their own symbolism to these things. The Swastika is an ancient symbol. One of the groups using it were our native Americans. I believe it used to be a good luck sign. We all know where that went.
I am a huge history buff, but I do sometimes think, what are we commemorating? Its almost always about past hostilities, and "remember how we beat the * out of "those" so and so's?" On the other side, they are thinking, "We'll get them next time". So 'round and 'round we go. Let it go already. "Those people" are a long time dead. We can do better. Life is not simple.
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There is hostility.. and I experienced being called a "Damn Yankee" by one of my then husband's relatives while visiting in Alabama.. I couldn't believe it, but she was really mad at me.. and I never met her before that day. Many in the South are still fighting the war apparently.
 
QuickSilver said:
I agree.. Hate groups are NOT communists.. they may be fascist, or have fascist ideology, but NOT communist at all.
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I agree, by Root's own admission, this is one of the groups that influenced him...

A Conservative Website Literally Turned Dylann Roof Into The Murdering Racist He Is Today

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In his own words, Roof wrote in his manifesto that he hadn’t grown up in a racist household, nor were his friends particularly racist. The white kids and black kids at his school would make racial jokes at each other, and jokes were jokes.

Then the killing of Trayvon Martin dominated the news cycle, and caught Roof’s attention:
“The event that truly awakened me was the Trayvon Martin case. I kept hearing and seeing his name, and eventually I decided to look him up. I read the Wikipedia article and right away I was unable to understand what the big deal was. It was obvious that Zimmerman was in the right. But more importantly this prompted me to type in the words “black on White crime” into Google, and I have never been the same since that day. The first website I came to was the Council of Conservative Citizens. There were pages upon pages of these brutal black on White murders. I was in disbelief. At this moment I realized that something was very wrong.”​

Dr. Sam Francis founded the CCC in 1985, and called it “The country’s most effective conservative activist group.” He was also a syndicated writer for the Washington Times.

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The Council of Conservative Citizens, supports, among other things:

That the United States is a Christian country.
That the people of the United States are part of the European people, no one else.
“Cultural, national and racial integrity” – A.K.A. xenophobia.
“States’ Rights, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, and the Bill of Rights.”
That the traditional family is the only worthy family – no same sex marriage, interracial marriage, or any homosexual tendencies in society to be accepted under law.
Women and gays should not serve in the military
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After “researching” deeper, Roof says he became racially aware:
“As an American we are taught to accept living in the melting pot, and black and other minorities have just as much right to be here as we do, since we are all immigrants. But Europe is the homeland of White people, and in many ways the situation is even worse there. From here I found out about the Jewish problem and other issues facing our race, and I can say today that I am completely racially aware.”

......'racially aware' indeed!​


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http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/0...n-roof-into-the-murdering-racist-he-is-today/
http://www.inquisitr.com/2188668/bl...onvinced-him-to-kill-read-the-cocc-headlines/


Notable, typing “Council of Conservative Citizens” into Google right now turns up a CofCC website, which is so busy that only the Google cache of the website is alive. The Council of Conservative Citizens calls itself a conservative activist group. Most of the pages on the Council of Conservative Citizens website are returning a 404 error as of this writing.

Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2188668/bl...-read-the-cocc-headlines/#mkxsefgZL7wPsJ0l.99
 
I always thought flying the confederate flag was in some ways treasonous. It should not be displayed on government buildings, property, etc. It was a symbol of another country that never came into being.

Now, people may ascribe whatever meanings they want to that flag, be it a symbol of some southern history or experience, or a symbol of slavery. My thought is; because it was originally a banner of secession it becomes treasonous to continue to fly it in the face of our government as something to be revered.
 
QuickSilver said:
Did you know that while Germany has outlawed the display of the swastika, hate groups in Germany are now flying the American Confederate flag in it's place? So what does that tell you about this flag?
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So Germany outlaws the display of that symbol and yet when Ukraine's previous government was overthrown and the swastika was displayed everywhere by 'protestors', neither Germany, my government or yours have nothing to say about that. And in the climate of the current tragedy, Southerners fly that flag, don't even lower it to half mast out of respect for the dead and they're shrugging their shoulders and saying 'what???'

The big picture is that these pieces of cloth are being used to convey messages of serious disrespect to the humanity and sensitivities of people. That's really the issue isn't it? How terribly we humans disrespect others? No sense of connection beyond 'our community' and a willingness to 'put the knife in and give it a good wrench' for any other community. We have so far to go, so far......
 
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...nikki-haleys-lead-on-confederate-battle-flag/

Tongue-tied over the issue for nearly a week, senior Republicans jumped on the bandwagon Monday and called for folding up the Confederate battle flag after Gov. Nikki Haley of South Carolina said the Civil War symbol should be removed from the state Capitol.
Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the majority leader, acknowledged that while the flag meant different things to different people, it was time to take it down.
“The fact that it continues to be a painful reminder of racial oppression to many suggests, to me at least, that it’s time to move beyond it, and that the time for a state to fly it has long since passed,” Mr. McConnell said.
 

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