I didn't intend this to be an argument on whether covid exists or not. Or whether people have died from it or not. I just wanted to relate that several countries have recently decided to fully reopen regardless of vaccination percentages while changing the dialogue from one of panic to one of management. It's the change of attitude I find promising though some will disagree.
Coping with covid and changing the dialogue
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I agree people don't act like they are able to recognize an invisible threat. If covid was a bunch of drones flying into the US from another country and dropping poisonous powder on people that had varying effects but killed some of the people, I imagine almost everyone would be in agreement we would need to fight the threat.
My experience from having gotten some microscopes several years ago and looking at what I found in the puddles (that I walk through and wear those shoes in the house!), was that I no longer have a 5 second rule. I have seen the previously unseen and eek!
I sure hope that the pandemic isn't a lesson learned by China, people are so paranoid that China released it on purpose, but my feeling is that they didn't but they sure have seen now what power they have if they wanted to kill off US citizens, while simultaneously being able to protect their own citizens. We have shown ourselves unable to cooperate against this type of threat. We have exposed a weakness to everyone, all the enemy would need to do is sow paranoia about thinking the threat is fake and that we can't trust each other or our government. It is certainly very educational.
There was a YouTube (I only saw the title and description tho, didn't watch it) about how this "mild" pandemic is good for us to learn how to prepare for a more serious one.
Oh, sorry for my above digression then!
It is requiring some flexibility to make the adjustment. My thinking is still swinging back and forth. One day I decide that since I have been vaccinated and have less chance of bad outcome, that I should engage unprotected with the world again. The next I feel like I should wait until after I get the booster since the Israeli data showed Pfizer was only 40% protective against Delta and that immunity waned with time. Then I think I should wait for the booster PLUS wait for hospital usage to drop (just in case). Then I think I should wait for all three of a) booster b) hospital capacity and c) a pill that treats covid.
I know they are saying now that Delta is so infectious that "zero Covid" is not achievable now. On the other hand, I am so close to retirement and it would be too bad to die off and not get to enjoy retirement. Every time I see someone my age in the Covid obituaries I feel extra sorry for that person who probably worked like a dog all their career and then lost the enjoyment of retirement and their later years.
And in addition to the worry about death, although I knew that people at work had lost a father, cousin, and friend's mom, honestly dead people are rather a nebulous worry compared to the increasing number of coworkers now that have had Covid and survived, but have lingering issues. They are very 'brain foggy' in meetings, and some are not back in physical health yet months after being sick. I don't want to have brain or other issues, and having living people that I interact with suffering covid effects is much more "real" to me than people who have died.
Here is link to video where he states the above information squatting dog posted.
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As opposed to thinking that invisible things are real, and that real things aren't real but invisible.
Right now people see the drones, and the poisons falling from the skies, but they think that the poisons will save them from certain death, because the enemy told all the people that the poisons would save them from invisible things that are killing them, and that the poisons that are really killing them are completely safe.
Yes, and that's exactly what they have been doing.
Wow it is too bad when congresspeople promote mis-information. It's like we can't trust politicians ;-)
The stats for my state of Nebraska from their website says this year 32 vaccinated people died of covid and 775 not vaccinated people died of covid. I work that out as 4% of Nebraska deaths were in vaccinated people.
The stats for my state of Nebraska from their website says this year 32 vaccinated people died of covid and 775 not vaccinated people died of covid. I work that out as 4% of Nebraska deaths were in vaccinated people.
What's bad I remember as a kid getting the polio sugar cube at the fairgrounds. We went because we WANTED to go to not get polio. Same with the smallpox round shot in the arm.
Now our fearless dictator has "mandated" that everyone working in a hospital, Dr's office & any company with over 100 people all have to go get vaccinated. Not the person's choice.
So there are now thousands of nurses, Drs & people in factories walking out because they were told they had to get it. Not their choice.
That is affecting health care real badly. Same for stores & factories, not enough workers to keep running or businesses open that don't have cooks or waitresses.
A lot of nurses are setting up their own jobs of taking care of elderly people that need help at home so they don't have to go into a nursing home.
If it gets bad enough the truckers hauling everything we eat, use & wear quit driving then we will be in deep doo-doo. I know quite a few long-haul truckers are saying this is about to happen as the word is getting out at truck stops.
Now our fearless dictator has "mandated" that everyone working in a hospital, Dr's office & any company with over 100 people all have to go get vaccinated. Not the person's choice.
So there are now thousands of nurses, Drs & people in factories walking out because they were told they had to get it. Not their choice.
That is affecting health care real badly. Same for stores & factories, not enough workers to keep running or businesses open that don't have cooks or waitresses.
A lot of nurses are setting up their own jobs of taking care of elderly people that need help at home so they don't have to go into a nursing home.
If it gets bad enough the truckers hauling everything we eat, use & wear quit driving then we will be in deep doo-doo. I know quite a few long-haul truckers are saying this is about to happen as the word is getting out at truck stops.
I saw a good cartoon on F.B. I should have snagged. It was about what you're talking about. How politicians are lying to us about the ones dying that are vaccinated.
Our State has been caught counting people dying from old age & flu & put in the untaxed people dying to scare everyone.
Oh I think you misunderstood, the politician with questionable stats was the one saying 63% of deaths were vaccinated people. My state is super ridiculously conservative so for them to say only 4% of deaths were vaccinated people if anything would be overstating the 4%.
I know the truckers are involved in "The slow roll" movement as a protest and have been involved in some large protests against the vaccine mandate yet the news has failed to cover or made public those events. Also BLM is protesting, yet the news has kept it quiet.
The word is out on several truckers forums and groups also. Freedom of Choice movements are starting everywhere.
There is the problem with ADE - Antibody Dependent Enhancement. It causes your own immune system to stop working thus acquiring the need for boosters constantly, but I'm digressing.
John cycling
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Exactly, so if you're been shot full of the toxic poisonous petro-chemical concoctions, then stay home and stay off the internet!
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And where does that leave the vaccinated people who can still spread the illness as stated by CDC Director Rochelle Walensky???
It leaves the vaccinated people still desperately playing the blame game.And where does that leave the vaccinated people who can still spread the illness as stated by CDC Director Rochelle Walensky???
Example: Post #37.
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Here's a fact check of Ron Johnson's claim that "Data from England show 63% of Delta deaths in last 7.5 months were fully vaxxed."
https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...-are-unvaccinated-is-misleading-idUSL2N2OD2CJ
In England, 85% of the population has received at least one dose of the vaccine, so it's inevitable that a greater percentage of vaccinated people will die. But the actual number of people who have died from covid-19 are small because the vaccine is highly effective in preventing serious illness and death. In fact, only 26 inoculated people in England died from Feb. 1 to July 1 (according to the Reuters article).
https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...-are-unvaccinated-is-misleading-idUSL2N2OD2CJ
In England, 85% of the population has received at least one dose of the vaccine, so it's inevitable that a greater percentage of vaccinated people will die. But the actual number of people who have died from covid-19 are small because the vaccine is highly effective in preventing serious illness and death. In fact, only 26 inoculated people in England died from Feb. 1 to July 1 (according to the Reuters article).