Could this be Man Made

Don M. said:
The entire globe is under stress, trying to deal with this epidemic....trying to deal with the sick, and racing to find a cure. At this point, there are far more questions, than answers. Perhaps, a few months from now, if/when there is a cure, and society begins to return to normal, there will be a serious investigation into how this virus was started, and how it was able to become a global pandemic so quickly.

The "official" statement from the Chinese government suggests that this virus originated in a Chinese "wet market" where the people were buying and eating various questionable animal parts. However, I suspect that practice has been common in China for years, perhaps centuries....and suddenly those animals became "Toxic"?????

The more I hear about this virus, the more I suspect that there may well be some truth to some of these "conspiracy" theories. One item I find of interest is a report that Wuhan, China is very near a Chinese laboratory where chemical/biological experiments are being conducted.

There is little doubt, in my mind, that there is a whole lot more to this story than we are being told.
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Understand. The virus has to mutate to jump from animals to humans. The swine flu was from pigs. The bird flu is from chickens. Millions of these were slaughtered to prevent the virus from multiplying.

Now the Wuhan thing. The virus is supposed to have originated from the meat market in Wuhan.
At the meat market they bring in live animals and slaughter them there for freshness. So if an animal is infected it's easy to see how the virus can be spread.

Then there is something about bats which I don't fully understand because when I was a kid we used to trap bats by holding up sticks with paper attached and they would fly into it. There's nothing to a bat. It's like a very tiny mouse. So I have my doubts about the bat theory.
 
garyt1957 said:
Yep, so let's just not do anything about the virus because of that! That's nonsensical! I really don't get some people.
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Ouch. Cut it some slack. If they cured heart problems and cancer and car accidents, the virus would still appear.
People take comfort in the "what if" scenarios.
 

There is little doubt, in my mind, that there is a whole lot more to this story than we are being told.
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Why do people so often get paranoid about everything that happens? Freud famously said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." And sometimes a germ is just a germ.

Viruses mutate all the time, at an astonishing rate. What is surprising is how seldom they mutate into fatal forms, not the fact that once in a while, to our misfortune, it does happen.
 
Sunny said:
Why do people so often get paranoid about everything that happens? Freud famously said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." And sometimes a germ is just a germ.

Viruses mutate all the time, at an astonishing rate. What is surprising is how seldom they mutate into fatal forms, not the fact that once in a while, to our misfortune, it does happen.
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Very True
 
When the AIDS virus first appeared, all we had were theories.....Eating monkeys, having sex with animals, gays having the "wrong" kind of sex, etc. Anybody know where it came from?
Again, all we have with Corona virus are theories. And the "Experts" have the same.
I think Corona could be man made, but since it's been here for years & not made us sick, it likely has something to do with our weakened immune systems. One reason I suspect that is the allergies to peanuts, shellfish, etc. Why didn't these severe allergic reactions to these foods exist years ago?
 
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Pepper said:
@win231
re: AIDS
Remember HHH: Homosexuals, Haitians, Hemophiliacs
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Yes, I remember that. BUT how did it get into the blood supply to infect Hemophiliacs in the first place?
And, I also remember that in the beginning, it wasn't called Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome; it was called "Gay Bowel Disease."
 
@win231
At that time, the late '70's & early '80's you could sell your blood for a small profit and I remember these places filled to the brim with heroin addicts who injected & shared needles.

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These places asked no health questions
 
Pepper said:
@win231
At that time, the late '70's & early '80's you could sell your blood for a small profit and I remember these places filled to the brim with heroin addicts who injected & shared needles.
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Yes, sharing needles, selling contaminated blood, etc. can cause illness, infections, etc. But where did AIDS originally come from?
 
win231 said:
Yes, sharing needles, selling contaminated blood, etc. can cause illness, infections, etc. But where did AIDS originally come from?
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I don't believe that question was ever truly answered, though there were theories like those you mentioned and more.
 
Is it not a fact that this is the fastest spreading virus of all? Keep in mind comparing numbers we live in ultra high tech communications versus word of mouth or telegraphs.
 
Pepper said:
I don't believe that question was ever truly answered, though there were theories like those you mentioned and more.
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It's been well established that the HIV/AIDS "host species" were non-human African primates. There has been plenty of documented research showing the chain of custody (so to speak) from those primates to humans. The "AIDS Highway" in Africa showed the proliferation of HIV in humans, which started slowly back in the 1950s.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2003/06/news-hiv-aids-monkeys-chimps-origin/
https://theaidsinstitute.org/node/259
 
Camper6 said:
Understand. The virus has to mutate to jump from animals to humans. The swine flu was from pigs. The bird flu is from chickens. Millions of these were slaughtered to prevent the virus from multiplying.

Now the Wuhan thing. The virus is supposed to have originated from the meat market in Wuhan.
At the meat market they bring in live animals and slaughter them there for freshness. So if an animal is infected it's easy to see how the virus can be spread.

Then there is something about bats which I don't fully understand because when I was a kid we used to trap bats by holding up sticks with paper attached and they would fly into it. There's nothing to a bat. It's like a very tiny mouse. So I have my doubts about the bat theory.
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Okay...they claim this started from animals or animal parts but now they're saying it can't be transmitted to pets or gotten from pets, even
garyt1957 said:
That guy sees conspiracy theories in everything:
Originally working as a BBC television sports presenter, Icke claims he saw former British Prime Minister Ted Heath's eyes turn black while the two waited for a Sky News interview in 1989.[9][10] In 1990, while spokesman for the Green Party, he visited a psychic who he said told him he had been placed on earth for a purpose and would begin to receive messages from the spirit world.[11] The events led him to announce the following year that he was a "Son of the Godhead"[6] and that the world would soon be devastated by tidal waves and earthquakes, a prediction he repeated on the BBC's primetime show Wogan.[12][13] The show turned him from a respected household name into someone who received widespread public ridicule.[14]

I believe he believes "lizard people " from other planets have infiltrated earth! No kidding, I'm pretty sure I saw a video of him espousing that.
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StarSong said:
A two hour video? Pfffttt... Not even slightly interested. Even less so after reading the comments about this wing-nut.
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This is the first I've heard of him. I posted the video in response to the OP to illustrate yet another conspiracy theory that's out there. I decided to watch some of it (Star...my ADD won't allow me to watch all two hours) because the person who posted the video on the other forum is a friend and I want to be able to talk to him about it, whether it's to debunk it's content or not. Can't make that determination until I see more of it.
 
One reason I suspect that is the allergies to peanuts, shellfish, etc. Why didn't these severe allergic reactions to these foods exist years ago?
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Of course they did, Win. Why do you think they didn't? Serious allergies have always been with us.
 
I've often wondered throughout this whole ordeal if this was a man made thing to control the population. Perhaps this is their way of trying to get money back into SS. I wouldn't be surprised if it was something terroristic either. If biological warfare is possible then we can't exactly rule this out. Especially if it's being done in the name of greed.
 
I believe that if someone (person, country or whoever) wanted to "control the population," they would not use something that they could not target or otherwise control. And as to the getting money back into SS (assuming that you mean Social Security), how exactly would that work? Put everybody out of work so nobody pays into SS certainly can't help, and there has been plenty of death along all age groups.

I believe that this was a naturally occurring mutation of an already extant virus.
 

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