Covid Multiple Times: Help Me Understand This

Before The Vax first became available, I read as much as I could find (it wasn't much) about mRNA vaccines. The few articles available all said they had experimented with mRNA in rats years (10?) before and every animal died so they gave up on mRNA. I decided to wait and see. Know I have worked in health care for many years, have had many vaccinations in my lifetime, and would still absolutely promote certain ones. All the hype about Covid made me uneasy. My doctor at that time actually said to me, "If you don't take the vax, you will catch covid and die." As time went on, more and more conflicting information was available; some sounded so (almost) crazy.

I decided not to take it. Now I am glad because of the few people I know who did take it, about 35% of them are now having cardiovascular problems (one of them is 20 years old and is a dancer so in very good condition). They have also had covid (at least tested positive, if you trust the test) several times. Those who have not been vax'd have not been sick or had a mild flu-like illness (me included) for which they did not seek treatment.

Many people and corporations made a LOT of money on this, in the hundreds of millions in some cases, including certain politicians.

The worst part about this entire pandemic is how it has caused mistrust of our healthcare system. Now, I question everything my provider recommends, especially if the words "Medicare will pay for it 100%" are included in that conversation. When I was working in the system, the CDC was my go-to for information. Not anymore. They have admitted to mis/dis-information about covid-19. Now, I do not know what to trust.
Your doctor actually said you would catch covid and DIE without the vaccine? That's a bold statement. As you say, there was a LOT of money invested in this by people who don't like to lose.
 

yes you are right so when one anti vaccine thread dies down and talking to themself , oops, each other, runs out of steam they start another one

The thread title is misleading - they dont want any help in understanding this at all- they just want another anti vaccine platform when their previous ones have petered out
Do you have blue hair?
 
MLK was a civil rights icon. You know, those civil rights that you vaxxers tried to take from us! Telling us to die, be refused health care, be fired, be ostracized from society...you know THOSE civil rights!

He fought to get them, protect them and he famously QUESTIONED everything. Never took anything as it was. Always used philosophy and logic to get to the bottom of something.

Maybe learn your freaking history. He would never say questioning stuff is wrong. He would have supported it 100 percent.

And if you are that idiotic to not question anything, please pm me, I got stuff to sell!
And he wasn't hostile. You should learn from him.
 

And he wasn't hostile. You should learn from him.
No he wasn't hostile and neither are we. Not sure where you get that from.

But he was for civil disobediance. Even on a 60 min interview with Mike Wallace he said that if civil disobediance doesn't work, rioting might be necessary.

Again read up on him, you might learn something. You seem to know nothing about him, yet say he said or condoned this or that.
 
Its everywhere in the news now. See the Yale University study released. See the doctors in the video above someone posted about massive increase in cancers. Its there, just look.
You wrote: "See the Yale University study"

I looked it up and found this:
Yale School of Medicine study on Patients Who Received COVID-19 Vaccines
In the body of the study, it says, "One in four cancer patients who had received two doses of either Moderna or Pfizer vaccines at Yale New Haven Hospital had abnormal axillary (armpit) lymph nodes on PET scans, on the same side as vaccine injection, which may be mistaken for cancer spreading through the body."

And there was another Yale study regarding the vaccine and myocarditis:
Yale study reveals insights into post-vaccine heart inflammation cases
At the start, it says, "In a new study, Yale scientists have identified the immune signature of rare cases of myocarditis among those vaccinated against COVID-19 with mRNA vaccines."

But read further down, and it says this: "They found that the heart inflammation was not caused by antibodies created by the vaccine, but rather by a more generalized response involving immune cells and inflammation."

It also says this: "The risk of severe forms of myocarditis is greater in individuals who contract the COVID-19 virus than in those who receive vaccines."

And it concludes with this: "I hope this new knowledge will enable further optimizing mRNA vaccines, which, in addition to offering clear health benefits during the pandemic, have a tremendous potential to save lives across numerous future applications. . . ”

I don't know which "video above" you want us to "see the doctors" in. The video in post #57 above is from the Joe Rogan show. I hardly consider that a credible source.
 
Don’t Feed the Trolls — Center for Countering Digital Hate | CCDH

I've mentioned several times on this board DON'T FEED THE TROLLS and provided links one might better understand why. But of course some people, especially those emotional about whatever issue, just cannot resist. Also, there are always some new members that become gamed.There are a few obvious trolls on this board that I just ignore because I understand their GAME regardless of baiting with inane personal attacks, name calling, and arguments that are purposely easy to attack because they just want responses. The above pdf link is longer than snippets below.

Defending Yourself is a Trap Trolls exploit the natural human instinct of self-defense. Social media is a new medium where our natural instincts can sometimes cause us to fall into traps and do harm without realizing it. When the targets of abuse by trolls respond, they do three things.

  • First, they rebroadcast troll memes to their own followers.
  • Second, they legitimize a dangerous ideology as valid for discussion – an honest point of view that you might disagree with, but nevertheless deserves the merit of acknowledgement and discussion.
  • Third, they confirm to the trolls that their targets are listening to them and are affected by what they see online, which reinforces the trolls’ behavior.

Propagandists know that all you have to do to spread a conspiracy theory is to get more people to hear it. The problem for the target of their activity is that the formats of most social media platforms allow little substantial debate. Complex arguments require more than the 280 characters to explain that Twitter allows, for example. Nor does it show the relative merits of a point of view. To the casual observer a thread looks like a debate between two different sides of an argument – the form legitimizes the content regardless of the merits of either side...

By inadvertently helping to expose their followers to conspiracy theories and aberrant information by engaging with trolls, public figures almost inevitably expand the number of people believing a rumor or conspiracy. Trolls know this; they do not seek to convert those who actively disagree with them; they seek to consolidate their hold over those who might already hold some prior misinformation or to misinform those who hold no strong beliefs or have no knowledge about the topic at all.

Quite often the techniques used by trolls – for example using memes to convey false information quickly and in a format that maximizes the probability of information retention – are simply more effective than the techniques used by those trying to refute their arguments. Engagement with trolls ultimately can cause considerable harm by giving them a much wider audience than they could achieve on their own and, ultimately, helps them grow their support base…

Troll networks are small, coordinated, densely interconnected and highly active clusters. What this means is that trolls within a cluster are usually following each other and therefore each trolls’ followers are for the main part within the same troll network. The total audience for one hundred trolls whose followers are within the same troll network of a thousand trolls accounts is really not much more that network itself. However, an unwitting target can be fooled into thinking that they are being exposed to much broader humiliation and ridicule.

This is a vital tactic for fringe groups because it vastly amplifies the threat they appear to pose. The reality, however, is that they are small groups of fringe believers who have little influence on the broader public without the undeserved and inadvertent amplification caused by engaging with them. Trolls want you to engage with their content to raise visibility of their propaganda. Our aim is, instead, to reduce harm to you and others…

Resist the urge to respond. You might think winning or losing relies on whether you “win the argument”. But for a troll, winning or losing is about how many people see their propaganda. They don’t have to convert many of your followers to increase their numbers substantially. When a troll targets you for abuse, block them immediately; this will ensure that they cannot tweet at you ever again, and removes mentions of them from your notifications. It is remarkable how few people you actually have to block to stop a troll storm in its tracks.
 
Don’t Feed the Trolls — Center for Countering Digital Hate | CCDH

I've mentioned several times on this board DON'T FEED THE TROLLS and provided links one might better understand why. But of course some people, especially those emotional about whatever issue, just cannot resist. Also, there are always some new members that become gamed.There are a few obvious trolls on this board that I just ignore because I understand their GAME regardless of baiting with inane personal attacks, name calling, and arguments that are purposely easy to attack because they just want responses. The above pdf link is longer than snippets below.

Defending Yourself is a Trap Trolls exploit the natural human instinct of self-defense. Social media is a new medium where our natural instincts can sometimes cause us to fall into traps and do harm without realizing it. When the targets of abuse by trolls respond, they do three things.

  • First, they rebroadcast troll memes to their own followers.
  • Second, they legitimize a dangerous ideology as valid for discussion – an honest point of view that you might disagree with, but nevertheless deserves the merit of acknowledgement and discussion.
  • Third, they confirm to the trolls that their targets are listening to them and are affected by what they see online, which reinforces the trolls’ behavior.

Propagandists know that all you have to do to spread a conspiracy theory is to get more people to hear it. The problem for the target of their activity is that the formats of most social media platforms allow little substantial debate. Complex arguments require more than the 280 characters to explain that Twitter allows, for example. Nor does it show the relative merits of a point of view. To the casual observer a thread looks like a debate between two different sides of an argument – the form legitimizes the content regardless of the merits of either side...

By inadvertently helping to expose their followers to conspiracy theories and aberrant information by engaging with trolls, public figures almost inevitably expand the number of people believing a rumor or conspiracy. Trolls know this; they do not seek to convert those who actively disagree with them; they seek to consolidate their hold over those who might already hold some prior misinformation or to misinform those who hold no strong beliefs or have no knowledge about the topic at all.

Quite often the techniques used by trolls – for example using memes to convey false information quickly and in a format that maximizes the probability of information retention – are simply more effective than the techniques used by those trying to refute their arguments. Engagement with trolls ultimately can cause considerable harm by giving them a much wider audience than they could achieve on their own and, ultimately, helps them grow their support base…

Troll networks are small, coordinated, densely interconnected and highly active clusters. What this means is that trolls within a cluster are usually following each other and therefore each trolls’ followers are for the main part within the same troll network. The total audience for one hundred trolls whose followers are within the same troll network of a thousand trolls accounts is really not much more that network itself. However, an unwitting target can be fooled into thinking that they are being exposed to much broader humiliation and ridicule.

This is a vital tactic for fringe groups because it vastly amplifies the threat they appear to pose. The reality, however, is that they are small groups of fringe believers who have little influence on the broader public without the undeserved and inadvertent amplification caused by engaging with them. Trolls want you to engage with their content to raise visibility of their propaganda. Our aim is, instead, to reduce harm to you and others…

Resist the urge to respond. You might think winning or losing relies on whether you “win the argument”. But for a troll, winning or losing is about how many people see their propaganda. They don’t have to convert many of your followers to increase their numbers substantially. When a troll targets you for abuse, block them immediately; this will ensure that they cannot tweet at you ever again, and removes mentions of them from your notifications. It is remarkable how few people you actually have to block to stop a troll storm in its tracks.
You know, when I first encountered you and your comments on here, I thought you were unique. A bit on the overly eccentric. But after reading more of your info, and seeing how you engage those that you tell others not to do, I realize you really are. You contradict the very recommendations you give!

As in response to your absolute atrocity of a response, I don't have any social media followers, no social media, no nothing. I use Telegram and Skype to keep in touch with our kids, no fakebook, no instascam, no tik tok, no nothing. I am on here and 2 other forums-1 science, 1 military. Thats it.

I do not propose I know it all, but I do look at both sides of an argument, and try to get the most logical explanation. Do you? I search for the truth, not have it spoon fed to me. I question everything, like I was taught.
Have you looked at the news out there? If you don't want to, and would like to live in your bubble of denial, be my guest. The truth is coming out and more will be revealed as time goes on. I am not going anywhere, I will definitely be around to keep you updated!
But keep your insults and accusations to yourself. If you want to come at me, bring topics or some form of evidence to argue. Copy and pasting on how to disengage from conversations like this just doesn't cut it.
The very fact that you go so out of your way to engage in disengaging is laughable.
 
I see the Taz tag team is wanting another wrestling match. It is getting boring, so I don't think there are going to be many that want to mess with it. Good luck, I am not interested.
Nope, its called a 'conversation'! A debate even. I posit vaccines are useless, unsafe, and not at all effective. In fact dangerous.
A strong immune system easily defeats any cold and flu, measles, mumps, chicken pox, etc.
C'mon when you all were kids did not your parents let or even make you play with kids that were ill. Everyone did when I grew up. Probably why we are all so healthy now. We were exposed to everything, built the immunity, and good for life.
People have become so weak and robotic, that you just follow along to what the govts or doctors say. Instead of using your critical thinking skills and think-how did we survive all these 1000's of years without vaccines?
 
Our system kicks virus ass because we get rest and go with a good lifestyle or not.
Drive yourself very tired due to staying out late, not getting much rest and bingo u sick.
 
New year, new information....

The FDA released this research;

The US FDA found that the covid vaccines contained dangerous levels of residual dna contaminants. Residual DNA refers to small pieces of genetic material that may remain in vaccines or medicines after manufacturing. These fragments come from the cells or processes used to make the products.

World Health Organization (WHO) guidelines state that a single vaccine dose should not contain more than 10 nanograms of residual DNA. The study, however, found levels in Pfizer’s vaccines exceeding this limit by six to 470 times.

Researchers analyzed vaccines obtained from BEI Resources, a supplier linked to the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. They used NanoDrop and Qubit methods to measure DNA levels. Both methods showed contamination above acceptable thresholds. Residual DNA was found in six vials from two different vaccine lots.

While the study stated that health risks posed by the DNA fragments are “currently unknown,” researchers warned that, in theory, they could integrate into human DNA and increase the risk of gene mutations. They also raised concerns that the fragments may contain oncogenes, which could lead to cancer. The authors recommended further testing to assess the potential risks.

The FDA has not yet commented on the findings. While reports of DNA contamination in Covid-19 vaccines have been circulating for years, US regulatory authorities have repeatedly brushed them off, stating that they pose no health risks.

Kevin McKernan, founder of Medicinal Genomics, described the findings as a “bombshell,” and warned that DNA fragments might overstimulate the immune system, potentially “fueling cancer growth.”

“Repeated exposure to foreign DNA through Covid-19 boosters may amplify this risk over time, creating conditions conducive to cancer development,”
McKernan said.

Interesting that the term turbo cancers are in the news now. Hmmm, we knew they were not effective, nor protective, but now we know they are not so safe after all.
 
My brother and SIL have covid. He saw my mom last week but did not pass it on thank God cuz she's in her nineties.. SIL was sick with fever and the shakes and when it snowed he made HER shovel. He ended up going to the hospital. They have both been vaxxed but I don't know if they've bothered with boosters. I know SIL said she was through with boosters at one point.
 
I don't think medical professionals generally claim the vaccine is 100% effective in prevention. You said the guy at the dog park you visited had covid last week, but "Today he's feeling fine." ("Remember he is vaccinated.") It seems he had a mild case. When covid was at it's peak 3 years or so ago, some of my friends died from the disease, so when it became available to the public, I got the vaccine. My doctor highly recommended it, and if I'm going to trust him for my other health matters, I may as well trust him on that as well. I haven't had covid. That may or may not have anything to do with my vaccination, since I haven't had a cold or flu in years either.
Part of it is opinion. What part of it is anecdotal and define anecdotal.
 


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