Covid Reinfection Puzzles Scientists

Maybe, a few years from now, there will be a cure for Covid. Presently, all the vaccines and treatments seem to be just "temporary" measures that can substantially reduce the risks. The scientists are still in "learning" mode, and the media/politicians just preach what they think will increase their viewership, or votes.

This virus, and it's mutations, are just another example of things we have to learn to "live with", probably for quite some time to come.

I fully expect that annual '"boosters" will be the norm....just like the annual flu shots.
 
chic said:
In the beginning our leaders did swear up and down that getting vaccinated would prevent people from contracting covid. It hasn't proved to be the case and boosters for the alpha strain are probably doing nothing to help people who contract other strains.
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There you go again, Chic, making up complete nonsense to support your fear of the vaccine. Can you provide even one example of anyone "swearing up and down" that getting vaccinated would prevent people from contracting covid?

In fact, is that what real scientists do? Swear up and down? Anyone who did that would come across as a quack, selling his magic snake oil to the public. It's never happened, except in your imagination, and in the rhetoric of those who turned a medical issue into a political one.

Scientists don't swear up and down, and don't make ridiculous promises of anything working 100%. All they do is give us the facts and figures. And how many more times must it be repeated: the vaccine greatly reduces the number of people who DIE from the disease, or get terribly sick. Getting a mild case seems to be as common as getting a cold, at least among the vaccinated. Of course, the scientists (and all of us) hoped that the disease would just go away, but where did anyone ever "swear up and down" that that would happen?
 
Sunny said:
There you go again, Chic, making up complete nonsense to support your fear of the vaccine. Can you provide even one example of anyone "swearing up and down" that getting vaccinated would prevent people from contracting covid?

In fact, is that what real scientists do? Swear up and down? Anyone who did that would come across as a quack, selling his magic snake oil to the public. It's never happened, except in your imagination, and in the rhetoric of those who turned a medical issue into a political one.

Scientists don't swear up and down, and don't make ridiculous promises of anything working 100%. All they do is give us the facts and figures. And how many more times must it be repeated: the vaccine greatly reduces the number of people who DIE from the disease, or get terribly sick. Getting a mild case seems to be as common as getting a cold, at least among the vaccinated. Of course, the scientists (and all of us) hoped that the disease would just go away, but where did anyone ever "swear up and down" that that would happen?
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A year ago our president, who is not a scientist but was supported by them, went on tv and promised the viewing public that if they got vaccinated they would not contract this virus NOR transmit it to others. And that IS a fact and you know it. I am not scared of vaccines, but this isn't one. It's gene therapy.

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Don M. said:
Maybe, a few years from now, there will be a cure for Covid. Presently, all the vaccines and treatments seem to be just "temporary" measures that can substantially reduce the risks. The scientists are still in "learning" mode, and the media/politicians just preach what they think will increase their viewership, or votes.

This virus, and it's mutations, are just another example of things we have to learn to "live with", probably for quite some time to come.

I fully expect that annual '"boosters" will be the norm....just like the annual flu shots.
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When there's a cure for common cold, there could be a cure for covid, too. They're both corona viruses, but covid is a lot more complex.
 
Sunny said:
There you go again, Chic, making up complete nonsense to support your fear of the vaccine. Can you provide even one example of anyone "swearing up and down" that getting vaccinated would prevent people from contracting covid?

In fact, is that what real scientists do? Swear up and down? Anyone who did that would come across as a quack, selling his magic snake oil to the public. It's never happened, except in your imagination, and in the rhetoric of those who turned a medical issue into a political one.

Scientists don't swear up and down, and don't make ridiculous promises of anything working 100%. All they do is give us the facts and figures. And how many more times must it be repeated: the vaccine greatly reduces the number of people who DIE from the disease, or get terribly sick. Getting a mild case seems to be as common as getting a cold, at least among the vaccinated. Of course, the scientists (and all of us) hoped that the disease would just go away, but where did anyone ever "swear up and down" that that would happen?
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chic said:
A year ago our president, who is not a scientist but was supported by them, went on tv and promised the viewing public that if they got vaccinated they would not contract this virus NOR transmit it to others. And that IS a fact and you know it. I am not scared of vaccines, but this isn't one. It's gene therapy.

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Really, Chic? Went on TV and "promised" that if people got vaccinated they would not contract the virus nor transmit it to others? Please show us your proof. Where did this nonsense come from?

Chic, if you are supposedly quoting things that prominent people have said publicly, you have to be able to provide proof that they actually said that. I just did a Google search just to be sure (although I was sure that Biden wouldn't make such an asinine promise) and there is nothing indicating that he ever said anything like that. All he mentioned were his efforts to get millions of shots to people, and he did it at no cost, very quickly and efficiently. He never promised total immunity, or that the disease would be wiped out. And no scientist ever said that either. Science doesn't work that way.

Think about it a moment: How could any sane person make a promise like that, with a "novel" virus that has never been seen before, and a brand new vaccine?

You are repeating a lie that someone else told you.
 
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-if-vaccinated-wont-get-covid/

Sunny said:
Really, Chic? Went on TV and "promised" that if people got vaccinated they would not contract the virus nor transmit it to others? Please show us your proof. Where did this nonsense come from?

Chic, if you are supposedly quoting things that prominent people have said publicly, you have to be able to provide proof that they actually said that. I just did a Google search just to be sure (although I was sure that Biden wouldn't make such an asinine promise) and there is nothing indicating that he ever said anything like that. All he mentioned were his efforts to get millions of shots to people, and he did it at no cost, very quickly and efficiently. He never promised total immunity, or that the disease would be wiped out. And no scientist ever said that either. Science doesn't work that way.

Think about it a moment: How could any sane person make a promise like that, with a "novel" virus that has never been seen before, and a brand new vaccine?

You are repeating a lie that someone else told you.
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You're not very good at searches. (or perhaps you don't want to be good at searches)

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-if-vaccinated-wont-get-covid/

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...says-vaccinated-people-cant-spread-covid-19-/
 
helenbacque said:
I don't remember ever hearing - from any source - that the vaccines would eradicate the virus, only that having them would probably lessen the effects if one did get it again.
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All Americans who were paying attention knew that the vaccinations did not guarantee that you wouldn't be infected by the virus, but if you did it would likely be less severe, not life threatening and not warranting hospitalization. I knew that long before I received my first shot, now I am fully vaccinated and have the two recommended boosters.
 
chic said:
Thanks Win. I knew he said it. And it was televised.
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During the same public appearance, Biden also stated, accurately, that vaccinated people are less likely to catch the virus than unvaccinated people and, if they do catch it, are less likely to get sick.
 
Covid infection is a very strange thing. I had it early on in 2020 and my wife never got it. We took no precautions and slept in the same bed. I had symptoms but tested negative twice before testing positive. She never got it. And this is before vaccines.
Fast forward to this year and she went to visit her Father. He had what we thought was a cold so she stayed across the room and only stayed a few minutes. Turns out he had covid and she caught it. We had no idea so again we're sleeping together and sitting next to each other on the couch, etc and I never got it! It's just so weird. Almost seems just purely luck or lack thereof if you get it or not.
 
Sunny said:
Really, Chic? Went on TV and "promised" that if people got vaccinated they would not contract the virus nor transmit it to others? Please show us your proof. Where did this nonsense come from?

Chic, if you are supposedly quoting things that prominent people have said publicly, you have to be able to provide proof that they actually said that. I just did a Google search just to be sure (although I was sure that Biden wouldn't make such an asinine promise) and there is nothing indicating that he ever said anything like that. All he mentioned were his efforts to get millions of shots to people, and he did it at no cost, very quickly and efficiently. He never promised total immunity, or that the disease would be wiped out. And no scientist ever said that either. Science doesn't work that way.

Think about it a moment: How could any sane person make a promise like that, with a "novel" virus that has never been seen before, and a brand new vaccine?

You are repeating a lie that someone else told you.
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They parrot what they hear on conspiracy sites, that's all they 'know'.
 
garyt1957 said:
Covid infection is a very strange thing. I had it early on in 2020 and my wife never got it. We took no precautions and slept in the same bed. I had symptoms but tested negative twice before testing positive. She never got it. And this is before vaccines.
Fast forward to this year and she went to visit her Father. He had what we thought was a cold so she stayed across the room and only stayed a few minutes. Turns out he had covid and she caught it. We had no idea so again we're sleeping together and sitting next to each other on the couch, etc and I never got it! It's just so weird. Almost seems just purely luck or lack thereof if you get it or not.
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Same with my son. His wife has had it three times. The first time, she was very ill and kept to her room, and my son slept in the spare room. But she'd already had it for at least 3 days. The 2nd and 3rd times, she wasn't quite as ill, they didn't sleep separately, and she moved freely about the house. He's never tested positive and never had so much as a sniffle.

I suppose some people's immune system fights covid better than others. Liam (my son) was breastfed up till he was 14 or 15 months old and my sister says that could be why, but I have no idea. Both my sons were breastfed past age 1, but my wife left us when my daughter was only 9 months old. The boys just never get sick, but my daughter does, plus she has severe allergies, so maybe there's something to it.
 
SeaBreeze said:
They parrot what they hear on conspiracy sites, that's all they 'know'.
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I remember early in the pandemic the president and some governors and news programs repeated for weeks that a vaccine was coming and it would halt the spread. Some news show guest "experts" went as far as saying it would halt an infection, giving the impression that if you caught it, the vaccine could cure it. What they all got right was calling it a vaccine and not an immunization, so people who knew the difference understood it wouldn't halt the spread or an infection. But that's not a whole lot of people.
 
SeaBreeze said:
During the same public appearance, Biden also stated, accurately, that vaccinated people are less likely to catch the virus than unvaccinated people and, if they do catch it, are less likely to get sick.
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Biden has always suffered from a bit of foot in mouth disease...

I hope no one considers a politician an expert on any medical issue.
 
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