COVID variants B4 and B5 are becoming dominant because they escape immunity, both vaccine and natural

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Especially variant B5, expected to become most dominant. According to data, neither the vaccine, vaccine + boosters, nor even previous infection offer good protection against these two variants.

Also, doctors expect a particularly bad flu season because people have been secluded for over 2 years, weakening their resistance to infectious viruses, and young children have had little to no exposure at all, and haven't built immunity, so they're expected to be especially vulnerable.



 

It looks like this Covid is going to be around for quite some time to come. It will probably mutate faster than the drug companies can modify their vaccines. Millions of people have given up on any recommendations such as masking and keeping distant, so the virus has plenty of "hosts".
 
Don M. said:
It looks like this Covid is going to be around for quite some time to come. It will probably mutate faster than the drug companies can modify their vaccines. Millions of people have given up on any recommendations such as masking and keeping distant, so the virus has plenty of "hosts".
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Everyone seems less concerned about travel, too; another sure spreader. But we need the exposure, imo, especially while this one doesn't cause as much severe illness and death. I'm not suggesting going out and intentionally getting BA4 or 5, but I think that being out while it's on surfaces and in the air is exposure. Pretty sure that's how we get colds and flu.
 

Murrmurr said:
Especially variant B5, expected to become most dominant. According to data, neither the vaccine, vaccine + boosters, nor even previous infection offer good protection against these two variants.

Also, doctors expect a particularly bad flu season because people have been secluded for over 2 years, weakening their resistance to infectious viruses, and young children have had little to no exposure at all, and haven't built immunity, so they're expected to be especially vulnerable.



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My previous response was incorrect. The B5 variant is just now showing up in my area. I'm happy to have been wrong. More likely, my family had BA 2 or BA 2.12.1. Though not relative to the USA, the videos are informative. I thank you for posting. Covid is no laughing matter. It's been over a month and while symptoms have subsided, I am still sleeping way too much. If I was still working, there is no way that I could be at the job.

COVID IN FAMILY AT TIME OF INFECTION BA 2 or BA 2.12.1 .jpg

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/08/1103...ew-covid-vaccine-is-effective-against-omicron

"BA.4 and BA.5 have been steadily gaining ground in the U.S., and experts worry about the subvariants' ability to dodge immunity and cause more reinfections. There are concerns that they may also cause more severe illness."

But, Moderna is working on a new vaccine, possibly available in the fall, that hopefully will do a better job on the variants.
 
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SeniorBen said:
I still wear a mask when I'm in public and I'll be getting my second booster soon. And I don't get my science from YouTube quacks. :ROFLMAO:
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Two of the guys in the videos have medical PhDs, one is a physician, the other a nurse instructor. I'm not familiar with the 3rd guy....he was recommended.

They only show data from a Harvard study, and comments and views about Harvard's findings from the CDC, some medical journals, and national health services.

The videos aren't political or biased. Just data and details about how the Harvard study was done and their data....charts and graphs that show their findings.

According to their findings and the data, your 2nd booster will protect you fairly well from the B5 variant for about 2 weeks. The B5 variant should literally be going viral in the US right about then.
 
Has there ever been a virus like this....with so many variations, and variety of symptoms?
By the way, are you aware that polio is now here in England? It was detected in sewage samples, which suggests that the sufferers have not consulted a doctor. The conclusion is that it is illegal immigrants who have brought it in.
 
I never understood why the bio-scientists quit working on producing better vaccines. Maybe that’s not a good way of putting it, but I would think that with the initial vaccines still not 100% effective, why aren’t better vaccines being developed?
 
I'm still wearing my mask. An N95 when out in public. I wear one at work and have been exposed.

When we went down to the blue surgical masks at work because our building was clear (didn't last of coarse) we did have the regular flu going around. Just worked the one shift and I got it. It was gratefully a short version. I only felt really bad for about 13 hours and then I could keep water down. But that blue mask did nothing it seems. I was in very close contact with people who had the flu. No social distancing in my job.
 
Remy said:
I'm still wearing my mask. An N95 when out in public. I wear one at work and have been exposed.

When we went down to the blue surgical masks at work because our building was clear (didn't last of coarse) we did have the regular flu going around. Just worked the one shift and I got it. It was gratefully a short version. I only felt really bad for about 13 hours and then I could keep water down. But that blue mask did nothing it seems. I was in very close contact with people who had the flu. No social distancing in my job.
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I still don't understand why people wear those (usually) blue medical masks, especially medical personnel. There are obvious gaps in them. One of the first animated illustrations I saw of how the fine particles of the COVID virus spread it made me realize how easily the virus could sneak into the openings in those masks. I was given a KN95 and immediately ordered more. I have not gotten COVID although I have been exposed.

I'm glad the flu didn't affect you too badly and didn't last long Remy. Too bad you are unable to socially distance at work.
 
Lavinia said:
Has there ever been a virus like this....with so many variations, and variety of symptoms?
By the way, are you aware that polio is now here in England? It was detected in sewage samples, which suggests that the sufferers have not consulted a doctor. The conclusion is that it is illegal immigrants who have brought it in.
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I'm sure the sewage isn't very happy about that.
 
oldman said:
I never understood why the bio-scientists quit working on producing better vaccines. Maybe that’s not a good way of putting it, but I would think that with the initial vaccines still not 100% effective, why aren’t better vaccines being developed?
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I think they are. One area of concern is that they do not want to lose the strong protetion against serious disease and death that the current vaccines are providing. If they focus too much on stopping the latest Onmicron variations, they fear they might lose this strong protection if they are not careful. It's tough work, and nothing is guaranteed. So lots of testing is needed.
 
Remy said:
I'm still wearing my mask. An N95 when out in public. I wear one at work and have been exposed.
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But that blue mask did nothing it seems. I was in very close contact with people who had the flu. No social distancing in my job.
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Yes, those blue masks are no that great. Better than nothing but that is not saying much.

What we really need is to improve ventilation in buildings. That would help a lot and not only with Covid. I found one style of N95 mask that works well for me. I wear it whenever I am indoors in a situation with poor air circulation and lots of people. So far that has worked form me.
 
Murrmurr said:
Especially variant B5, expected to become most dominant. According to data, neither the vaccine, vaccine + boosters, nor even previous infection offer good protection against these two variants.

Also, doctors expect a particularly bad flu season because people have been secluded for over 2 years, weakening their resistance to infectious viruses, and young children have had little to no exposure at all, and haven't built immunity, so they're expected to be especially vulnerable.



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Thanks for the good news 😊
 
Ruthanne said:
Thanks for the good news 😊
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Based upon my empirical observations, there is no doubt in my mind that we are in a new wave of Covid infections. I know a number of people who never had Covid before and have finally come down with it. And, I know a number of people that have had the disease for the 2nd time.

Thankfully, deaths and hospitalization are not tracking upwards with the infection rate. The vaccines are still doing a good job of keeping the hospitalization and death rates down.
 
We're almost due for our 2nd booster, but the latest variants seem to be circumventing the current boosters, and the drug companies are working on a new vaccine that supposedly addresses these variants....so, we're kind of waiting to see when/if the new vaccines will be available anytime soon before we take the next shot.
 
Don M. said:
We're almost due for our 2nd booster, but the latest variants seem to be circumventing the current boosters, and the drug companies are working on a new vaccine that supposedly addresses these variants....so, we're kind of waiting to see when/if the new vaccines will be available anytime soon before we take the next shot.
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That's a good idea, Don.
 
Brookswood said:
Based upon my empirical observations, there is no doubt in my mind that we are in a new wave of Covid infections. I know a number of people who never had Covid before and have finally come down with it. And, I know a number of people that have had the disease for the 2nd time.

Thankfully, deaths and hospitalization are not tracking upwards with the infection rate. The vaccines are still doing a good job of keeping the hospitalization and death rates down.
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According to data from the most recent studies, the new covid variants are "escaping immunity"....the vaccine and natural immunity do not offer protection. The numbers of hospitalizations and deaths are dropping because the "new covid" is far less virulent...does not cause severe symptoms.

People with comorbidities may still be vulnerable, but unfortunately, the FDA and CDC either don't have that data or are not showing it.
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-wors...we-update-our-vaccines-in-time-131933423.html
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...Despite concerns about “scant” data about whether bivalent boosters (equal parts original strain and Omicron) work better than monovalent boosters (100% Omicron), and about whether it’s worth waiting for Novavax’s promising non-mRNA vaccine to hit the market, the panel mostly agreed that BA.4/BA.5 boosters make sense. The FDA is leaning that way as well. Pfizer said it was “prepared” to deliver the new boosters by the first week of October; Moderna, by the last week of October or early November — “assuming no clinical data requirements.”

That means no human trials — just animal trials and laboratory tests. That might sound scary to some, but regulators already use the same accelerated process to update the flu vaccine each year — and there is no mechanism by which minor mRNA tweaks will make revised Pfizer and Moderna shots any less safe than the billions of doses administered so far worldwide. Otherwise, the U.S. will miss its fall-winter deadline, and the fast-evolving virus will continue to outrun the vaccines...

Amazing medical and technical science protecting we earth monkeys. Much thanks to you virus scientists! Consider potentially at some point there could be returns to restrictions being in public including airline, train, bus travel, schools, and and long list of other things we've learned. Wiser in round two but at some point, the global economy weirds, shipping lapses, then millions in poor third world begin starving before the UN is effective because many humans are no longer are supported by local food supplies.
 
Lavinia said:
Has there ever been a virus like this....with so many variations, and variety of symptoms?
By the way, are you aware that polio is now here in England? It was detected in sewage samples, which suggests that the sufferers have not consulted a doctor. The conclusion is that it is illegal immigrants who have brought it in.
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I imagine that flu probably has as many variations. That's why we have to keep getting various versions of the flu shot every year.
 
Murrmurr said:
According to their findings and the data, your 2nd booster will protect you fairly well from the B5 variant for about 2 weeks. The B5 variant should literally be going viral in the US right about then.
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Yes but.
A half century ago in classes about 'data' or 'statistics' it was shown clearly that they can show anything they want to from the manipulation of or use of the data, even if it is a false and harmful result to deceive people everywhere.

With no math classes, no science classes, no health classes at all, seven or more tribes around the world stayed much healthier than so-called educated hu-mans have been for a century now.
The Hunza tribe is the only specific one I remember , and as 'civilised' white man broght 'progress to them, they got sicker every year from it.
 

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