Current political situation

I do believe that this country is being systematically destroyed from the inside. I think there are many factors involved but don't know if it can ever be turned around and that makes me sad.

IMHO the government is one big lying machine bent on money control and power no matter which party.
 
wendallb said:
I do believe that this country is being systematically destroyed from the inside. I think there are many factors involved but don't know if it can ever be turned around and that makes me sad.

IMHO the government is one big lying machine bent on money control and power no matter which party.
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Too true. Although, there is no turning around as we can never go back, no returning to the past, only going headlong into the future. Even a new depression or total apocalyptic crash is still a future calamity and not the past. So, using classic corporate speak, in 'moving forward' the question is what direction . . . "Forward!" he cried from the rear...
 
That Guy said:
. . . "Forward!" he cried from the rear...
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... and the front rank diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii-iiiiiiied .... ;)

They say that the definition of insanity is performing the same actions repeatedly and expecting different outcomes.

That's how I view the voting process.

Our little-town mayor recently announced that crime rates have dropped in the city. When you look at the stats you see that something like 24 out of 27 categories of crime have actually increased over the past year.

Arrests have also increased. Naturally. But not for the perps that mugged a lady for a pack of cigarettes down the street the other night.

When called on the discrepancy, he claimed that he was looking at the "long-term trend", not the year-to-year stats, since "stats are OK but I don't put much faith in them".


... this is the mayor that people voted for, and presumably he was the best of the bunch.

That's why I don't vote.
 
I vote for 2 reasons..

1. Just makes me happy that I spoke for myself
2. So i have the right to bitch when things are not going well

I personally think it is a obligation to vote, but that is just me..
 
wendallb said:
I vote for 2 reasons..

1. Just makes me happy that I spoke for myself
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Granted that's an excellent reason, but in the process I don't feel the need to elect OTHERS to speak FOR me.

2. So i have the right to bitch when things are not going well
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This is a reason that is often brought up in these discussions, and frankly I've never understood it. Do you get a city or county license to rant when you register to vote? Do they read you your rights like a cop when you enter the booth - "You have the right to an attorney, you have the right to bitch ..."

I've always thought that we were all BORN with the "right" to complain. I don't have to hitch my wagon to any particular team in order to do so. I can stand on that little hill just outside of town and yell down what's wrong with the system all I like, but technically I have NO legal, moral or ethical obligation to offer fixes. I'm an observer of and commentator on society who only fixes his own little corner of the world.

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In other words, I have the "right" to be what many would call a jerk but I prefer to call unaffiliated. ;)


I personally think it is a obligation to vote, but that is just me..
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Again I understand your point of view but cannot claim that I share it.

Given the choice between two evils, most would choose the lesser. That's how the political system works and has survived for so long.

I elect to choose neither. I don't like evil, I don't need evil and I certainly don't want evil. I'm a big boy, I can take care of myself and I don't need anyone to "represent" me, certainly not any of the yahoos that play in the political sandbox.
 
I vote in every election. And what a waste of time - it's proof every two years that what I think doesn't matter. I vote the opposite of how just about every election goes in this pathetic third world of Kalifornistan. At least they can't blame me for the mess!

I've never voted in an election that my vote made a difference. I've changed nothing. And my vote never will change anything.

And it's all a sad, sad shame. I am the one with all the answers and nobody is listening!
 
I agree with you, SifuPhil, on the ridiculous notion that not voting in any given election denies that citizen the right to complain. That's a perfect example of the pretzel logic plaguing our collective, brainwashed, dittoheaded American Idiot Nation...
 
wendallb said:
I vote for 2 reasons..

1. Just makes me happy that I spoke for myself
2. So i have the right to bitch when things are not going well

I personally think it is a obligation to vote, but that is just me..
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It is not just you.

I grew up hearing, seeing, and being subjected to unfettered, deeply entrenched, discriminatory policies that would have remained unchanged without minorities and women fighting, and dying for the right to vote.

I would be remiss in my duties as a human being if I did not exercise this right that conservatives are working overtime to rescind while I sit here, typing this response.

People who do not participate in the process might as well just hand their rights over to those who appreciate them. Voters need those rights and, apparently, no voters do not.
 
MercyL said:
...I would be remiss in my duties as a human being if I did not exercise this right that conservatives are working overtime to rescind while I sit here, typing this response.
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Alright, Mercy, let's hear it! Conservatives are working overtime to rescind what, exactly? I for one am not getting any overtime although I am a proud conservative. Somebody must be screwing me! oops. There I go sounding like a liberal...
 
MercyL said:
People who do not participate in the process might as well just hand their rights over to those who appreciate them. Voters need those rights and, apparently, no voters do not.
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Warning.....:soap2:


Voters and non voters get the same treatment from politicians...they are equal opportunity offenders. The only difference is that voters are useful tools to gain entry into the omnipotent political club. Non voters have no expectations that politicians are going to make a beneficial difference, and are not disappointed...voters go to the polls with the hope that their candidate will represent their values and beliefs, and are mostly disappointed to find they don't.

I'm not handing my vote over to anyone, thank you. I'll keep it myself and use it when and if there is ever a candidate that sincerely has this country's best interest at heart...If the voting process actually did work, I would be the first one in line on voting day to mark the ballot. There's not much point when the so called representatives of the people make grandiose campaign promises, tell the people what they want to hear and as soon as they are entrenched in their government cat bird seat, practically before the last vote is counted they have already flip flopped like a fish on dry land on every issue they ran a campaign on and are stuffing their fat pockets with pork from ridiculous bills that no one reads.

Corruption runs deep, and they are a bunch of grifters that know how to work the people and the system to their financial and political advantage. We have a president who, along with his family are world class vacationers, currently on their latest 100 million dollar vacation. A Gang of 8 bunch of gangsters who are trying their damnest to shove down our throats an immigration bill full of pork and ridiculous entitlements, with no provision for future curtailment of illegal immigration, that they crafted behind closed doors, and now are pushing for passing before anyone reads it. This gang is comprised of some representatives who were voted in on the promise of border control before an immigration bill was passed, who have now totally flipped and fell in line with the "let's get this bill passed at any cost" crowd.

Why should I have voted for them, they don't represent what I want, even though they say they do before the polls close? I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday, I know better...they do exactly what benefits them.

You have a weeney wagger named Weiner who had to resign his seat because he is so proud of his teeney weeney weeney he had to show it off on a public forum, now running for Mayor of New York. Silly me, when I heard he was running I laughed out loud, thinking that no one would vote for him. The joke is on me, he is actually ahead by in the polls by 24% of his closest opponent. I think he's popular because people just like to make jokes about his name, he has name recogintion.

What is wrong with the character of voters who want this sleezebag of loose morals to represent them? Is this truly the best they have? I should waste my time to go to the polls to vote for these kinds of pervs?

The list is infinite and grows on a daily basis lately, but these are a few recent in the news examples.


Just what "rights" are you handing over by not voting when politicians do exactly what they want, regardless of what their constituents voted them in for? No one is handing over rights, they are being taken from you.

You have a United States President that could not care less about the constitution, but invokes executive power when it suits him to circumvent constitutional issues. If you think your vote counts anymore, think again.

Politicians are systematically dumbing this country down, financially, mentally, educationally, and morally while they work away at eroding it into a third world country for the benefit of those who want power and money....greed and power is the driving force my friend....not your vote! These sharpsters are getting more brazen and in your face about it all now, because they know that essentially nothing will happen to them and they will keep getting voted in, no matter what they do.

Until such time the people of this country hold these miscreants feet to the fire and make them answer for their absurd laws, pork bills, lies, deceit, flip flopping on issues, uncontrolled spending, thievery, closed door legislation, and invasion of privacy, your voting power is null and void. As another of our stellar examples, Hillary stated, "What difference does it make, at this point?"

I have to say the state of affairs this country is now in is also due to the fault of no or low information voters who have no clue as to what the political issues are, much less what the candidates they are voting for actually stand for, or at least claims to stand for or how the American political process even works. These people, in my opinion are much more detrimental to the direction this country has taken than people who do not exercise their right to vote for what ever reason.


And that sums up the current political situation as seen through the eyes of a non voter!


Phil, your infograph is in line with what is happening all over...it's not just America. There is an agenda that thinking people are beginning to connect the dots to....it's starting to make a clear picture.





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Waiting for the aliens to beam me up!
 
Ozarkgal said:
Warning.....:soap2: ...
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... I think I love you.
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EXTREMELY well said.

Bread and circuses ... the masses want entertainment. They don't want to think - thinkers are in the minority, and the minority never counted at the polls. That's why the entertainment industries always do well no matter what the financial climate. Bars, movies, computers, smart phones, music, drugs, sex - they all continue to thrive because they offer an escape from an ugly reality.

THAT'S what The People want.

O-Gal, you should write a book - seriously.
 
Ozarkgal said:
Hubby read my rant...says he's waiting for 3 or 4 black SUV's to come down the driveway...There was a day in time when I would have laughed at that.
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Ozarkgal, true story: Some years ago, I wrote a couple rather nasty letters to the FDA regarding some supplements that they banned.... Some time later, I heard a helicopter flying very low overhead and went outside to see what it was all about. A dark-colored helicopter was flying over the house, so low that I wondered if they might hit our high scanner antenna; then circled the property three times, and then left.
I'm sure it was a military copter, since there's a base not far from that area; but of course, I did think of the letters I'd written. I mentioned it later to a friend, and she told me I should never write that kind of letters to a gov't agency again - that they would likely be watching me. :D
 
Anne said:
Ozarkgal, true story: Some years ago, I wrote a couple rather nasty letters to the FDA regarding some supplements that they banned.... Some time later, I heard a helicopter flying very low overhead and went outside to see what it was all about. A dark-colored helicopter was flying over the house, so low that I wondered if they might hit our high scanner antenna; then circled the property three times, and then left.
I'm sure it was a military copter, since there's a base not far from that area; but of course, I did think of the letters I'd written. I mentioned it later to a friend, and she told me I should never write that kind of letters to a gov't agency again - that they would likely be watching me. :D
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I have had moments when it felt like the feds were checking me out. I haven't had the helicopters, recently, but one day, a couple of years ago, I had a knock on my front door, and answered it. There was a fellow standing there with a clip board and a woman. He started talking about getting a security system, one that I had not ordered and had expressed no interest in.

They wanted to come inside my home. Each time I said I was not interested, he came up with another reason. I finally closed the door in his face, but I asked around and no one else had anyone show up at their door pushing a security system. During his talk, he said I would probably see the security company's signs popping up on my neighbor's lawns.

I remain baffled to this day, but have changed my front door policy. This visit happened right after I had written a letter to the White House on that site they have.

If I am not expecting anyone, I don't answer a knock at the door. I will walk quietly up to the door and look through the peep hole to see if I recognize a neighbor, because you never knows if someone needs help, but I do not open the door if I don't recognize the person on the other side.
 
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MercyL said:
I have had moments when it felt like the feds were checking me out. I haven't had the helicopters, recently, but one day, a couple of years ago, I had a knock on my front door, and answered it. There was a fellow standing there with a clip board and a woman. He started talking about getting a security system, one that I had not ordered and had expressed no interest in.

They wanted to come inside my home. Each time I said I was not interested, he came up with another reason. I finally closed the door in his face, but I asked around and no one else had anyone show up at their door pushing a security system. During his talk, he said I would probably see the security company's signs popping up on my neighbor's lawns.

I remain baffled to this day, but have changed my front door policy. This visit happened right after I had written a letter to the White House on that site they have.

If I am not expecting anyone, I don't answer a knock at the door. I will walk quietly up to the door and look through the peep hole to see if I recognize a neighbor, you one never knows if someone needs help, but I do not open the door if I don't recognize the person on the other side.
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That would definitely have spooked me too!! I had an experience where this guy came to the door asking to use the phone, as he said he had car trouble. This was in daylight, but none of the neighbors were home, and I wasn't about to let him in the house, as I was alone. I told him my husband was sleeping, and stepped outside....didn't see a car anywhere, and when asked, he said it had broken down 'down the road'.
I told him where there was a grocery store nearby, and that he could call for help from there. He hesitated and just stood there for a minute, but I wasn't going to let a stranger in not knowing what was going on for sure; and he finally did leave.
It is sad that we are afraid to help people, but you hear so many horror stories, so who knows.

As far as the feds watching people, I wouldn't think they would bother unless we belonged to a certain group, or were actively involved in some anti-government group. It is puzzling what these people were doing at your house, unless they were casing the place, which is entirely possible.
 

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