Dallas Protest and Police Shootings. 10 Police officers shot, 3 Killed

tnthomas said:
I can't help but think that part of the failure of the officer has to do with a failure of proper training, for today's society.
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The officers who killed one of the victims recently only had 4 years on the force. I had heard a long time ago that the police training academy techniques had changed from years ago. Now they train these new officers in more of a military style way, and instill in them an "us against them" mentality.

They go onto the streets now with the preconception that everyone is guilty and out to get them. They use their uniform and badge to act as judge, jury and executioner.

This is supposed to be America, I don't know what happened to innocent until proven guilty. Also, the deceptive lying that goes on within the force to protect one another is not a secret, and it certainly does not give the average citizen any feelings of trust or security. https://www.seniorforums.com/showth...-Solutions?highlight=police+training+military


.He says that most of the murders are by young cops who just got out of the police academy. Scott says there needs to be changes in the way they are trained there. What used to be instruction to serve and protect, has now become it's you against them, everyone is out to get you. Very similar to militarytraining at wartime.

These rookies hit the streets in a very different state of mind than the older officers in the force. They don't hesitate to shoot, because they are guaranteed that being judged by a jury of 12 who are going to find them innocent, is better than being carried in a casket by a team of 6.

Jurors have admitted that they knew all along that the witnesses and questions involved in cases were hand-picked, but with following the instructions they were given, they had no choice but to find the officer involved innocent
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Right Shalimar, to us non-Americans, it seems like these problems are so incredibly huge and serious, maybe worse in some places than others, and very disturbing, especially when people are trying to live in peace.

Ruthanne, please forgive me, I'm only wanting to point out that other countries also excel in many areas. We're not in a competition. Canada has wonderful cardiac facilities and medical facilities and doctors and healthcare, but we're not that big on the space program or wars. Yes, America is great. Keep on believing that.

I only mentioned the thing about the moon landing because I saw a very interesting documentary which brought up a lot of questions, in fact, it is very possible that it was done to let the Russians believe it was happening, note that the U.S. never went back there. I recommend you watch this documentary. It will open your eyes.
 

SeaBreeze said:
The officers who killed one of the victims recently only had 4 years on the force. I had heard a long time ago that the police training academy techniques had changed from years ago. Now they train these new officers in more of aex military style way, and instill in them an "us against them" mentality.

They go onto the streets now with the preconception that everyone is guilty and out to get them. They use their uniform and badge to act as judge, jury and executioner.

This is supposed to be America, I don't know what happened to innocent until proven guilty. Also, the deceptive lying that goes on within the force to protect one another is not a secret, and it certainly does not give the average citizen any feelings of trust or security. https://www.seniorforums.com/showth...-Solutions?highlight=police+training+military
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Exactly . There are some in this country that actually believe that once you walk out your front door you have "rights ". .
 
Cookie said:
Right Shalimar, to us non-Americans, it seems like these problems are so incredibly huge and serious, maybe worse in some places than others, and very disturbing, especially when people are trying to live in peace.

Ruthanne, please forgive me, I'm only wanting to point out that other countries also excel in many areas. We're not in a competition. Canada has wonderful cardiac facilities and medical facilities and doctors and healthcare, but we're not that big on the space program or wars. Yes, America is great. Keep on believing that.

I only mentioned the thing about the moon landing because I saw a very interesting documentary which brought up a lot of questions, in fact, it is very possible that it was done to let the Russians believe it was happening, note that the U.S. never went back there. I recommend you watch this documentary. It will open your eyes.
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:hatlaugh1: what moon landing ?? (j,k)
 
As far as I can determine, this thread speaks to the tragedies affecting the lives of good people, not a my country is better than yours mindset. America is a great nation, and it's people deserve to live their lives in an atmosphere which promotes wellbeing, tolerance and safety, rather than violence/paranoia/rage etc. But in order for that to happen, changes must be made.
 
SeaBreeze said:
{snip} This is supposed to be America, I don't know what happened to innocent until proven guilty. {snip}
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Does this presumption of innocence extend to the officers involved in the two recent shooting that triggered all the mayhem? You know, the whole "hands up don't shoot" meme turned out to be a lie, and Darrin Clark was not charged.
 
Cookie said:
Erk!

Oh, you know, do you remember that fuzzy black and white movie from 1969, starring guys in puffy suits riding in a cart, with no stars or planet earth in sight.
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Why yes, yes I do ! I was a 10 year old kid at the time . I went outside and looked at the moon . I didn't see nuffin' ....nuffin' I say. Now I know how that slow kid at school felt in first grade. He was crying at the bake sale so I went to him to help . he said "all the cookies are 10 cents and I only have a quarter" :confused:
 
Hoot N Annie said:
Does this presumption of innocence extend to the officers involved in the two recent shooting that triggered all the mayhem? You know, the whole "hands up don't shoot" meme turned out to be a lie, and Darrin Clark was not charged.
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Duly note when the police shoot someone resisting arrest there is an immediate news conference about "brutality". When the same type of character shoots the police Obama says " It would be improper to comment without all the facts "
 
Southern Gentleman said:
Why yes, yes I do ! I was a 10 year old kid at the time . I went outside and looked at the moon . I didn't see nuffin' ....nuffin' I say. Now I know how that slow kid at school felt in first grade. He was crying at the bake sale so I went to him to help . he said "all the cookies are 10 cents and I only have a quarter" :confused:
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Sad, sad, so very sad. No matter, time heals all.


We've had a few horrendous incidents here, one of police killing a person on a streetcar, firing 8 times more after the person was already dead on the floor. The police are either terrified or out of their minds, or are they trained to do it that way, who knows?
 
I was asked how my country was advanced and I answered and then I get the reply that America thinks highly of itself. I perceived that to be a slight but did not say anything except people who see all the bad stuff on tv about America might think that's all we are about but there is much more to us than that. Our country has just had a very traumatic event and we all are reeling. I am not coming back to this thread, it's too painful.
 
Cookie said:
Sad, sad, so very sad. No matter, time heals all.


We've had a few horrendous incidents here, one of police killing a person on a streetcar, firing 8 times more after the person was already dead on the floor. The police are either terrified or out of their minds, or are they trained to do it that way, who knows?
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Generally, if a soldier or police officer or anyone really, makes the decision to draw a weapon, point it at a person and pull the trigger, the purpose would be to kill.


Firing 8 times more after the person was already dead on the floor....that sounds a bit over the top.
 
I tend to suspect that police are being 'allowed' to be brutal and murderous, by the system, but somehow, can't think exactly why, perhaps there is a power deal of some kind, some kind of 'protection' for their own. Has it turned into a police state, here in Canada as well as down south.
 
Hoot N Annie said:
Does this presumption of innocence extend to the officers involved in the two recent shooting that triggered all the mayhem? You know, the whole "hands up don't shoot" meme turned out to be a lie, and Darrin Clark was not charged.
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Yes, it would extend to them too, but then there has to be seen to be justice at the other end and there has to be changes in the training and attitude of the cops, that are transparent and out in the open and I don't think the people feel like they're seeing that at all. I think they're feeling like the cops get away with it every time and because of that, those cops aren't changing and improving and it's just becoming a way of 'life'.

I can't imagine what it would be like to be black in America and having to tell my sons like I heard one mother saying, "I tell my boys, if a police officer stops you, drop to the ground on your face and don't move". Oh my gosh that would be a nightmare! As a mom, I only worried about strangers stopping and grabbing my kids, but black parents...like April who comes here....well I'm sure that 'fear' also wears the colour blue! in households like hers, if you know what I mean. Even your Mayor of New York City got into trouble because he and his wife advised something similar to their sons.
 
Cookie said:
Sad, sad, so very sad. No matter, time heals all.


We've had a few horrendous incidents here, one of police killing a person on a streetcar, firing 8 times more after the person was already dead on the floor. The police are either terrified or out of their minds, or are they trained to do it that way, who knows?
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In that case, Officer Forcillo was found guilty of attempted murder of Sammy Yatim and his sentencing is coming at the end of July. We at least got to see an officer who is being punished for his over reaction or murderous attitude or whatever you want to call it. I think to a degree that's what American's want to see, a little justice going the other way. I'm not saying that the decisions that have been made in the cases that have happened and been investigated were wrong or right or anything because I didn't get to hear the cases at all. Just that I think the people feel like the wagons get circled and the cops come out the other end, a little bruised and beat up from their experience but they're still walking the street and have their jobs and meanwhile another dead citizen. Just my opinion and I might be entirely wrong but that's the sense I get from reading the news stories, videos and reading comments.

Shalimar, maybe that stellar reputation that the RCMP had wasn't deserved ever but the kinds of abuses that we're now hearing about were just never talked about and now the women affected are just fed up and feeling more supported by society so that they feel like they can stand up against it.
 
I am red haired and blue eyed. I told my sons from the beginning. If you are pulled over and you have any African American friends with you, you will now become the driver. Hands where they can be seen. Anything you have to do including a frisk or car search. Hey you keep talking nice to the officers. Your Dad works at a uh hem food joint where they treat police people really nicely. Mention their name and you will be let go with a warning. Why do we live in a world like this? It's 2016 not 1966.
 
Debby, I suspect you are right. There are still class action suits before the courts. Amongst the crap were the recent comments, very disparaging in tone, on social media no less, by a female superior officer of RCMP against a former "poster

girl" spokeswoman for the BC branch, who has finally been financially compensated for the systematic long term abuse which she endured while a member of the force. Appalling. So far, I have treated three female former RCMP, all suffering from severe PTSD, not

from doing their job, but from the stressors of working among an elitist, misogynistic segment of their peers, who instead of viewing them as colleagues, preferred to see them as pieces of meat. They ground these women's spirits into hamburger.
 
Anyone who thinks we've expanded past 1966 is wrong. Police officers are still executed in their cars. Young black men are murdered for no reason at all. And the right wing is paranoid about them women wearing head wraps...A world gone mad...
 

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