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jaminhealth said:
So you know all the answers of 200 some yrs of homeopathy?

I was on a total homeopathy group some yrs ago and comments from so much of the world, was they have a hard time grasping how the U.S. is so drug driven and dependent. Gotta keep those stockholders happy for pharma business.
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Wow Jamin. 😬
All Annie states is that she has a minor in chemistry and could run a test to check the ingredients of the product you are trying to sell.

There was ZERO arrogance in her offering yet you jump on her about her claiming she knows 200 years worth of homeopathic medicine education. In reality she didn’t say anything even close to that. 😧

Then you immediately rant on about the U.S. being so corporate drug driven by big pharma corporations making stock holders happy.

For a person who ‘appears’ to want our attention on this, you surely have a backhanded way about trying to get it.

And for the record, you DID get a temporary BAN.

I’m not sure why you feel the need to lie about it.
If you are trying to show honest integrity here regarding your words, lying about definite facts isn’t helping you any, nor is your hostile attitude towards any and all questions.
 

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Everyone, I think we're getting too upset over this. If you're interested in the product, contact her and learn how to buy it. If not, move on. Let's have some peace here which is better for everyone's health. Just my 2 cents at this point because we should be all friends here trying to help each other out. 🙂
 
chic said:
Everyone, I think we're getting too upset over this. If you're interested in the product, contact her and learn how to buy it. If not, move on. Let's have some peace here which is better for everyone's health. Just my 2 cents at this point because we should be all friends here trying to help each other out. 🙂
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I disagree, I don't think anyone is "upset" over anything. I do think we [many of us] "question" why she just will not name the product. If it is truly a good product that has potential to help bodily conditions ? That would would be the best way "help" us.
 

AnnieA said:
That's not what I said. If you're claiming HGH in your product, send me a sample. If a liquid chromatography mass spectrogram doesn't show it's there, it's snake oil. 200 years ago, the technology wasn't there to know if someone was telling the truth or not. We have it now.
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Oh sure, right away. The developer of this product has been selling it in his health food store in No. Cal for years and finally put it out there nationwide...due to many great results from customers. He's a certified homeopathic and went thru rigorous tests with our sweet FDA....
 
jaminhealth said:
Oh sure, right away. The developer of this product has been selling it in his health food store in No. Cal for years and finally put it out there nationwide...due to many great results from customers. He's a certified homeopathic and went thru rigorous tests with our sweet FDA....

If anyone has an open mind and truly interested send me an email and I'll be happy to spend TIME with anyone to explain it all and how it works.
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jaminhealth said:
Oh sure, right away. The developer of this product has been selling it in his health food store in No. Cal for years and finally put it out there nationwide...due to many great results from customers. He's a certified homeopathic and went thru rigorous tests with our sweet FDA....
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Per the FDA website: "There are no FDA-approved products labeled as homeopathic; this means that any product labeled as homeopathic is being marketed in the U.S. without FDA evaluation for safety or effectiveness."

And this is not just a US closed mindset. It was Australian researchers that debunked homeopathy several years ago.

https://www.fda.gov/drugs/information-drug-class/homeopathic-products
 
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AnnieA said:
Per the FDA website: "There are no FDA-approved products labeled as homeopathic; this means that any product labeled as homeopathic is being marketed in the U.S. without FDA evaluation for safety or effectiveness."

And this is not just a US closed mindset. It was Australian researchers who debunked homeopathy several years ago.

https://www.fda.gov/drugs/information-drug-class/homeopathic-products
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It's FDA registered and took a lot of time to get FDA to register it. FDA does not stamp approval alternatives. If it doesn't have a patent, it's not FDA approved...that's how I understand it. I don't want to argue this anymore...will ignore.
 
Why not just say it’s a multi level marketing product instead of avoiding the direct question?

Was the Grape Seed Extract a multi level marketing supplement also?

And yes I’m somewhat disappointed here but not going to lose sleep or anything over it. Lol 🙃
 
When I found Pycnogenol back in 1995 it was brought to the U.S. from France by a U.S. company via that terrible direct marketing. That Pycnogenol got me OFF allergy drugs and allergy shots now for almost 25 yrs.

I used Pycnogenol for 1 yr and now Grape Seed Extract for like 24 yrs....and counting on it for keep me from cancers.

Grape Seed Extract, I believe, keeps me out of doctor offices...I am 81 and in darn good health....I was the allergy sore throat queen before Pycnogenol and then Grape Seed Extract.

I love to find alternatives to heal myself.

It's OK for pharma spend millions+ to put their drugs out there but direct marketing is bad? Come on. Lots of great products come from the MLM/direct marketing world. I understand it's huge out there.

I would ignore posts that bother me, plain and simple.
 
jaminhealth said:
When I found Pycnogenol back in 1995 it was brought to the U.S. from France by a U.S. company via that terrible direct marketing. That Pycnogenol got me OFF allergy drugs and allergy shots now for almost 25 yrs.

I used Pycnogenol for 1 yr and now Grape Seed Extract for like 24 yrs....and counting on it for keep me from cancers.

Grape Seed Extract, I believe, keeps me out of doctor offices...I am 81 and in darn good health....I was the allergy sore throat queen before Pycnogenol and then Grape Seed Extract.

I love to find alternatives to heal myself.

It's OK for pharma spend millions+ to put their drugs out there but direct marketing is bad? Come on. Lots of great products come from the MLM/direct marketing world. I understand it's huge out there.

I would ignore posts that bother me, plain and simple.
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No one is arguing what you propose as facts about marketing / homeopathic methods,care/ or anything else. I am not arguing costs, since I do not know what that may be. All I am saying is simply ...... if you want to be helpful to your friends here ? State the brand name of the product , & let us decide for ourselves. But no, it sounds like your first concern is profit. OK, fine, why not just say i have this for sale for this much money.
 
I’m certainly not denying that there aren’t some great MLM products out there. In fact, most of them ARE exceptional however, from my personal experience, they are always three times more expensive to comparable products due to the profit margin from people selling them.

When I first met you Jamin, I had an instant attraction to your passion for holistic healing. I thought perhaps that you were in the health science field of alternative medicine.

Most questions asked about remedies or solutions regarding health you’d swear by your Grape Seed Extract. I’m not knocking it. I just didn’t know what your intentions were or where you were coming from at the time. Now I do.
 
rgp said:
No one is arguing what you propose as facts about marketing / homeopathic methods,care/ or anything else. I am not arguing costs, since I do not know what that may be. All I am saying is simply ...... if you want to be helpful to your friends here ? State the brand name of the product , & let us decide for ourselves. But no, it sounds like your first concern is profit. OK, fine, why not just say i have this for sale for this much money.
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Better yet, go to FB and there is a HUGE population using the "gel". They alll support one another and share what is working in their life and many people who try the "gel" don't stay with it due to cost and they want overnight miracle...that's not how it works friends. My daughter bugged the hell out of me to stick with it and I bow down and thank her every day for keeping on me...she knew as she was getting great results, when someone you love tells you they are feeling like 20 again and they are 55, gotta listen up.

Those who work with the "gel" get a lot of coaching from those who use it and posting successes.

Too many here are naysayers about alternative healing.
 
Keesha said:
I’m certainly not denying that there aren’t some great MLM products out there. In fact, most of them ARE exceptional however, from my personal experience, they are always three times more expensive to comparable products due to the profit margin from people selling them.

When I first met you Jamin, I had an instant attraction to your passion for holistic healing. I thought perhaps that you were in the health science field of alternative medicine.

Most questions asked about remedies or solutions regarding health you’d swear by your Grape Seed Extract. I’m not knocking it. I just didn’t know what your intentions were or where you were coming from at the time. Now I do.
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That's right and I'd love to work with people and talk about my experiences and to "stick with it", it gets better with months. I don't know if you read the time table above and when things happen for people.

The older one is and the more health issues one has, the longer it all takes to "reverse" so much. I was a TRUE SKEPTIC, believe me. I no longer am and so thankful I did not break down and have a knife done to my knee....so thankful. Life has a way of working for us, if we LISTEN.
 
jaminhealth said:
That's right and I'd love to work with people and talk about my experiences and to "stick with it", it gets better with months. I don't know if you read the time table above and when things happen for people.

The older one is and the more health issues one has, the longer it all takes to "reverse" so much. I was a TRUE SKEPTIC, believe me. I no longer am and so thankful I did not break down and have a knife done to my knee....so thankful. Life has a way of working for us, if we LISTEN.
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Then why won't YOU LISTEN and post the name of the product ?????
 
I don’t know enough about it but just from what you wrote it sounded like something body builders would say who are taking steroids. Sure their bodies look great but their brains aren’t.

From everything I’ve read so far, the longer the product is taken, the more at risk they are.
That was the same result I found when researching grape seed extract. It isn’t a product that should be taken for a prolonged period of time.

https://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/human-growth-hormone-hgh
https://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/human-growth-hormone-hgh
https://www.healthline.com/health/hgh-side-effects#forms
https://www.uwhealth.org/news/hgh-more-dangerous-health-gamble-than-fountain-of-youth/11939
https://www.doctoroz.com/article/hgh-anti-aging-miracle-or-mistake
https://www.menshealth.com/health/a19523398/truth-about-hgh/
 
Keesha said:
I don’t know enough about it but just from what you wrote it sounded like something body builders would say who are taking steroids. Sure their bodies look great but their brains aren’t.

From everything I’ve read so far, the longer the product is taken, the more at risk they are.
That was the same result I found when researching grape seed extract. It isn’t a product that should be taken for a prolonged period of time.

https://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/human-growth-hormone-hgh
https://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/human-growth-hormone-hgh
https://www.healthline.com/health/hgh-side-effects#forms
https://www.uwhealth.org/news/hgh-more-dangerous-health-gamble-than-fountain-of-youth/11939
https://www.doctoroz.com/article/hgh-anti-aging-miracle-or-mistake
https://www.menshealth.com/health/a19523398/truth-about-hgh/
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Oh a bodybuilder would NOT touch this slow working Homeopathic product. Bodybuilders go for the big stuff like steroids. A lot of misconception on HGH products as there are MANY out there.

That's why I say there is much to learn from those who are using it and are NOT body builders, this 81 grandma is happy to be walking better and taking 1/2 the ibuprofen she was taking for years before.

As my daughter says, so many come up with this and that info out there on HGH products. The vast population DO NOT KNOW about homeopathy and call it voo doo or whatever we hear. And we do. She and I have both been using homeopathy products for a lot of years.

And again I can hear it all now, "it's not working" after a couple weeks or so....I know my body and many do not. This "gel" is subtle but it is working.
 
True, it’s a gel so not as potent.
One homeopathic remedy I know is effective but often forget to use is ‘Rescue Remedy.’ It’s for high anxiety and panic attacks. It works quite well.

I’m very curious about this but don’t know enough about it to make an informed decision however , I found a book on it so will read it.

The FDA approval stumped me also because Canada also will not allow any natural herbs or supplements to be FDA approved. Getting it approved in one country and advertising that it’s FDA approved in another seems sketchy. If the Food and Drug Administration have banned the use of the substance then there’s probably a good reason.

Another thing that I found was that many would start this program and want to cancel after a months trial and couldn’t. Apparently customer service wasn’t good to those who wanted to get out after one month with the MLM hgh gel. They became locked in.

Interestingly enough the reviews for other HGH gels are very good. They sell the stuff on amazon and the possible side effects are disturbing.

⁃ Stomach pain
⁃ Nausea
⁃ Vomiting
⁃ Diarrhea
⁃ Constipation
⁃ Bloating
⁃ Increased asthma symptoms
⁃ Gout

It can lead to carpel tunnel syndrome and can contribute to other disorders like diabetes, high blood pressure, and heart disease. It can cause tumours to grow quickly which is dangerous for anyone but especially for those with cancer or a history of cancer.

It’s very unlikely I’ll try anything like this Jamin but it’s certainly interesting. I wish your daughter well.

How did she get involved?
Does she take it herself?
Do any of you experience any negative side effects?
 
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