Dear God, another school shooting?

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Traveler said:
People who think banning guns will solve the school killings are like the slum lord who refuses to fix all of the faulty wiring in his apartment complex. Fires keep breaking out, so he places buckets of sand in the hallways and posts signs that say, "USE IN CASE OF FIRE"

Electrical fires, like gun killings, are a symptom of a must greater problem.

In the case of gun killing in schools, the problem is a broken society and a "touchy-feely" liberal approach to child rearing.
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But that approach isn't working and leaving guns out of the solution is no solution as the last two decades have shown.

I have had people tell me that background checks don't work either and they violate their rights.

The landlord should install a sprinkler system instead of buckets of sand. You can't keep making the same mistakes and expect different results. The building has to be brought up to code. You can't live in the past.
 
In my experience, a “touchy feely” approach to child rearing is preferable to being raised by the frozen people. Children need guidance, role models, consistency, boundaries, but most of all, they need unconditional love, and to feel that they are worthy members of society. Without these touch stones they limp through their lives.
 

Sunny said:
Nancy, that's an interesting point about the social media chatrooms. They are just another vehicle for communication; yet, as you say, they make it much easier for violent and emotionally disturbed people to find each other and share ideas. However, they also do a lot of good. Probably nothing can be done about them.
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Qft.
 
Bob.

"You don't care about my efforts to bring up these other area and where to find good examples. Then don't wast others times by reading what you hate and wasting out time with outright negative and useless comments."

Bob.
I copy over your posts and respond to them. I'm sorry but I don't appreciate you trying to educate me in the difference between an automatic or a semi automatic rifle which I consider both to be battlefield material for trained soldiers.

Canada right next door, has the same type of people and the same social problems as the United States and yet nowhere close to the homicide rates caused by weapons.

You can't 'eliminate sloppy raising of children'. It's an impossible task.

I'll give you and Traveler the last word on this issue because now it's starting to get personal comments instead of the issues.

I don't dig that type of argument.
 
Camper6 said:
But that approach isn't working and leaving guns out of the solution is no solution as the last two decades have shown.

I have had people tell me that background checks don't work either and they violate their rights.

The landlord should install a sprinkler system instead of buckets of sand. You can't keep making the same mistakes and expect different results. The building has to be brought up to code. You can't live in the past.
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No one is saying we should leave guns out of the discussion. We have tried that and nothing is changed at all.

What we have not done is to come back off this super nice sugar filled stuff that does not teach one item of behavior and apply more discipline back into our schools and family life. When young I could expect to get sent to the principles office. Depending on subject he might call my home so arriving home could be another lecture about my behavior. I saw no problem then and still think it is something missing from our education system from grade schools on through our colleges.
 
Shalimar said:
In my experience, a “touchy feely” approach to child rearing is preferable to being raised by the frozen people. Children need guidance, role models, consistency, boundaries, but most of all, they need unconditional love, and to feel that they are worthy members of society. Without these touch stones they limp through their lives.
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Exactly true. Except you left out 3 very important things. Loving disciple, a firm steady hand and proper supervision. The so-called "quality-time" doesn't cut it. The concept of "quality time" was invented to make parents that are not around enough, feel better.

Back in the days when Mama's word was Law, these mass killings didn't happen in schools.

And, yes, Camper, there were just as many guns/capita back in those days.
 
Camper6 said:
Bob.

"You don't care about my efforts to bring up these other area and where to find good examples. Then don't wast others times by reading what you hate and wasting out time with outright negative and useless comments."

Bob.
I copy over your posts and respond to them. I'm sorry but I don't appreciate you trying to educate me in the difference between an automatic or a semi automatic rifle which I consider both to be battlefield material for trained soldiers.

Canada right next door, has the same type of people and the same social problems as the United States and yet nowhere close to the homicide rates caused by weapons.

You can't 'eliminate sloppy raising of children'. It's an impossible task.

I'll give you and Traveler the last word on this issue because now it's starting to get personal comments instead of the issues.

I don't dig that type of argument.
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Thank you for wanting to stop this one sided conversation. We have played this gun game far too long and need to change our attacks to other places and hope we find the right solution. Taking out the guns, inanimate items, and freeing the wild mannered ones from suspicion and rethinking our education system are very important too. It is a big and wild world.

Canada is not the same as the US. Where are your millions of Mexican illegal immigrants. I believe Canada had plenty as we saw them sneak across the US and pass into Canada.
 
Traveler said:
Exactly true. Except you left out 3 very important things. Loving disciple, a firm steady hand and proper supervision. The so-called "quality-time" doesn't cut it. The concept of "quality time" was invented to make parents that are not around enough, feel better.

Back in the days when Mama's word was Law, these mass killings didn't happen in schools.

And, yes, Camper, there were just as many guns/capita back in those days.
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It is a false assumption to state that I left out “loving discipline, a firm steady hand, and proper supervision.” Those are implicit parts of providing guidance, boundaries, and role models, as for “quality time being invented to make parents that are not around enough feel better,” that is an oversimplification. Of course there are absentee parents, but there

are also many parents totally invested in their children. My children knew that there specific times that belonged to them. Everything else went by the wayside. We had a marvellous bond, and enjoyed the quality time we spent together. I ran a child centric household for over twenty years.I also disagree with the idea so prevalent among some seniors that the good old days reflected a June Cleaveresque perfect family scenario, equipped with super parenting . While some may have been

fortunate enough to experience such, many did not. There have always been good and bad parents and each generation has both positive and negative qualities.
 
I don't recall anyone talking about a "Leave It To Beaver" household. I sure as heck never experienced anything remotely like that. But, my mother was there, in the house, 24/7. Believe me when I say she knew every darn thing us kids were up to.

In my opinion, if people wish to have children then there are responsibilities that go along with that. If an adult is not present in the house, when a child returns home from school, then they are taking a huge risk.

I have seen the terrible cost of parents who never disciple their children (ie goofy liberal thinking), and it isn't a pretty picture. One of my friends never disciplined her boy. She thought it was "so cute" when as an 8 year old, he tried to sell pot to his mom's friends at a party. He became a heroin addict, thief, liar, and chronically unemployed. What did she do ? When he became homeless she enabled him by buying him a house AND paid the mortgage every month. But that's liberalism for you. Just plain goofy.

And, Oh yeah. How did her son thank her for her naïve kindness? He stole from his mother at every opportunity.
 
Traveler said:
I don't recall anyone talking about a "Leave It To Beaver" household. I sure as heck never experienced anything remotely like that. But, my mother was there, in the house, 24/7. Believe me when I say she knew every darn thing us kids were up to.

In my opinion, if people wish to have children then there are responsibilities that go along with that. If an adult is not present in the house, when a child returns home from school, then they are taking a huge risk.

I have seen the terrible cost of parents who never disciple their children (ie goofy liberal thinking), and it isn't a pretty picture. One of my friends never disciplined her boy. She thought it was "so cute" when as an 8 year old, he tried to sell pot to his mom's friends at a party. He became a heroin addict, thief, liar, and chronically unemployed. What did she do ? When he became homeless she enabled him by buying him a house AND paid the mortgage every month. But that's liberalism for you. Just plain goofy.

And, Oh yeah. How did her son thank her for her naïve kindness? He stole from his mother at every opportunity.
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Hmm, I never said anything about not disciplining children. I am a liberal, not goofy in the least, and have raised two educated, responsible, ethical, gainfully employed children, Millennials. Politics had nothing to do with it, morality did.
 
Shalimar said:
Hmm, I never said anything about not disciplining children. I am a liberal, not goofy in the least, and have raised two educated, responsible, ethical, gainfully employed children, Millennials. Politics had nothing to do with it, morality did.
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I think you must admit that there are millions of parents who haven't the vaguest idea of how to raise children. They allow their kids to explore the internet at random, having "chats" with adult perverts, they don't even attempt to control what the kids see on cable Tv, hard-coreporn is quite "in" with youngsters, nor do parents disallow ultra-violent electronic games.

Prayer, in school, has been illegal for 1/2 a century.

Girls are getting pregnant at 13 and 14 years of age and the schools are arranging abortions and the parents are never aware.

Kids in their middle-school years are doing and selling drugs.

Last year 58,000 people died of opioid over-doses. There was a recent photo on the news of 2 dead parents, from opioid injection, lying in a car, with 2 toddlers in the back seat

Teachers are subjecting kindergarten kids to transgenderism.

Minor corporal punishment. ie a light paddling, is now a felony crime.

America has now fallen to 31st place in educational achievement.

Girls, who should not be sexualized, are flaunting their bodies.

Due to radical feminist philosophy men are increasingly losing any right to be head of the household. In frustration, men are just walking away from the family.

Many, perhaps most, kids have a sense of entitlement with no sense of responsibility or what it means to work.

Moms are gone and the kids are left to their own devices for vast amounts of time.

The mother of the Newtown killer is the one who bought the AR-15 rifles for her darling son, who later murdered 23 1st graders.

Kids are not receiving anything approaching a well balanced diet because neither parent knows how to cook.

Kids are getting a false sense of personal contact due to cell phones.

All of that is happening and people wonder, 'What is happening to America's children?'

Poor parenting is like drunk driving. Many get away with it for years, but eventually --- people die.

When is America going to wake up ?
 
Shalimar said:
Interesting that I who have dealt with many young people and their parents in my private and professional capacity for thirty years have a vastly different experience than what you describe.
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That's because I live in America and you live in Canada. No offense intended but Canadians have no clue what it is like to actually live in America. Oh, sure, you get some reports, but living it, and hearing about it, are two entirely different things.

To begin with Canada has no where near the minority problems America has. Heck, Shalimar, 1/2 of America's kids can not even write a coherent paragraph but they know all about transgenderism long before they can add and divide. Something is very wrong with that.
 
Traveler said:
That's because I live in America and you live in Canada. No offense intended but Canadians have no clue what it is like to actually live in America. Oh, sure, you get some reports, but living it, and hearing about it, are two entirely different things.

To begin with Canada has no where near the minority problems America has. Heck, Shalimar, 1/2 of America's kids can not even write a coherent paragraph but they know all about transgenderism long before they can add and divide. Something is very wrong with that.
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Putin is right when he says Communists won WW2. Cultural Marxists have undermined and destroyed American culture for the past 70 years

When I say, "cultural marxism", I refer to the Bolshevik SOCIAL revolution that occurred after the 1917 Bolshevik revolution destroyed Christian Russia. For the past 70 years a similar social revolution has happened in America and all [former] Western Christian nations. The difference is ... Russians fought a civil war against the Bolsheviks and were martyred by the millions. Americans have surrendered without a fight.

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KingsX said:
Putin is right when he says Communists won WW2. Cultural Marxists have undermined and destroyed American culture for the past 70 years

When I say, "cultural marxism", I refer to the Bolshevik SOCIAL revolution that occurred after the 1917 Bolshevik revolution destroyed Christian Russia. For the past 70 years a similar social revolution has happened in America and all [former] Western Christian nations.
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Exactly so. One note here. We can hardly expect the ones who are destroying America to ever admit what they are doing. Some may be merely naïve, but some are devoted "true believers" who are determined to destroy our culture. So far they are winning in their quest. The battle is, however, not over.

It is better to die on our feet than to live on our knees.
 
Traveler said:
Exactly so. One note here. We can hardly expect the ones who are destroying America to ever admit what they are doing. Some may be merely naïve, but some are devoted "true believers" who are determined to destroy our culture. So far they are winning in their quest. The battle is, however, not over.


It is better to die on our feet than to live on our knees.
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The cultural marxist enemy has won every battle... and ironically they have used America's own system to help them win it.
If the cultural marxist media can't win by manipulating popular opinion, they will FORCE cultural marxism on the entire nation
via their political influence [like the many unpopular US Supreme Court decisions over the past several decades.]

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KingsX said:
The cultural marxist enemy has won every battle... and ironically they have used America's own system to help them win it.
If the cultural marxist media can't win by manipulating popular opinion, they will FORCE cultural marxism on the entire nation
via their political influence [like the many unpopular US Supreme Court decisions over the past several decades.]
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Yes ! Their 1st major victory came in the landmark United States Supreme Court (SCOTUS) decision ENGEL V. VITALE (1962) WHICH made prayer in America's public schools illegal.

A year later, the most hated woman in America, Madalyn Murry O'Hair, won in SCOTUS, the suit (Murry V. Curlett ) to ban any bible reading or bible teaching in public schools.

in 1995, Madalyn Murry's body was found at the bottom of a deep dry well in Texas.
 
Traveler said:
Yes ! Their 1st major victory came in the landmark United States Supreme Court (SCOTUS) decision ENGEL V. VITALE (1962) WHICH made prayer in America's public schools illegal.

A year later, the most hated woman in America, Madalyn Murry O'Hair, won in SCOTUS, the suit (Murry V. Curlett ) to ban any bible reading or bible teaching in public schools.

in 1995, Madalyn Murry's body was found at the bottom of a deep dry well in Texas.
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In Russia, the atheist Bolsheviks destroyed churches and murdered millions of Christians.
In America, they use the system to achieve less messy and more successful results.

Instead of destroying from the outside, they corrupt from the inside.

I recently saw a documentary about the demise of O'Hair on a true crime TV show.

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KingsX said:
In Russia, the atheist Bolsheviks destroyed churches and murdered millions of Christians.
In America, they use the system to achieve less messy and more successful results.

Instead of destroying from the outside, they corrupt from the inside.

I recently saw a documentary about the demise of O'Hair on a true crime TV show.

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"No great civilization is ever destroyed from without, until it has destroyed itself from within"

----- Will Durant, historian.
 
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Here is a video of Stalin's destruction of the largest church in Russia,
Moscow's Church of Christ the Saviour near Red Square.

Stalin also wanted to likewise destroy iconic St Basil's.

The video is in English. Unfortunately, the text that has been added
to this copy is annoying. But I couldn't find a better copy on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoAEKHBtNIA

Today, they don't bother destroying churches. They undermine, pervert
and destroy them from the inside. Here is the latest example.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ple-encouraged-become-priests-church-england/

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Traveler said:
That's because I live in America and you live in Canada. No offense intended but Canadians have no clue what it is like to actually live in America. Oh, sure, you get some reports, but living it, and hearing about it, are two entirely different things.

To begin with Canada has no where near the minority problems America has. Heck, Shalimar, 1/2 of America's kids can not even write a coherent paragraph but they know all about transgenderism long before they can add and divide. Something is very wrong with that.
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Again you betray your lack of knowledge re the land of the Maple Leaf. C’est ca.
 

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