Derek Chauvin stabbed in prison:

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hollydolly said:
I'm not talking about his superiors I'm talking about his peers... and his underlings, who for all we know may have complained about him time and time again
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Part and parcel of the culture of corruption. They are virtually all complicit in the misdeeds of one another.

A recent example in NYC where Mayor Adam's police commissioner, Keechant Sewell, was not willing to tolerate high level police corruption. The mayor, a former NYPD captain, took the side of corruption and forced her out. Rank and file officers knew and now have been reinforced that corruption will be tolerated and standing against it will cost them their jobs.
 

hollydolly said:
would you think the same if it was your child, or family member who he held down and choked to death ?
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I expect the family of the woman George Floyd held at gun point were happy when he got killed. Family members aren't the best people to determine what's fair.

Every prisoner should be able to serve his sentence in safety.
 
Knight said:
Chavin was judged, is paying for what he did. Why have a justice system if while incarcerated for a crime the accused is attacked & it's recognized as something inevitable?
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Floyd was judged, and did pay for what he did. Why have a justice system, if while accused of another crime, the accused is attacked and killed by the police? And it's recognized as something inevitable.
 
againstthegrain said:
Floyd was judged, and did pay for what he did. Why have a justice system if while accused of another crime, the accused is attacked and killed by the police? And it's recognized as something inevitable.
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Yes Floyd was judged and did pay for what he did , but not attacked while incarcerated. How did you know it was inevitable that Chavin would be the one to arrest Floyd.

Maybe arresting is something you do and when you do you calmly ask the criminal to not resist & they comply.

Saying that Chavin attacked is IMO really stretching this to fit justifying the attack on Chauvin.
 
Knight said:
Yes Floyd was judged and did pay for what he did , but not attacked while incarcerated. How did you know it was inevitable that Chavin would be the one to arrest Floyd.

Maybe arresting is something you do and when you do you calmly ask the criminal to not resist & they comply.

Saying that Chavin attacked is IMO really stretching this to fit justifying the attack on Chauvin.
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Chauvin was convicted of Floyd's murder, before Floyd was adjudicated and that act qualifies as an attack on Floyd, imo. It's part of the same criminal justice system that Chauvin has to deal with, but w/out the blue wall of silence, qualified immunity, shield, and gun to keep him safe.
 
I wasn't surprised to hear this. Not that I relish that this happened. My callous thought also is "well he'll never see a medical bill"

George Floyd was not an upstanding person only from what I read. But no one deserved what happened to him. That was not how to handle an arrest, no matter the behavior which could have been handled.
 
hollydolly said:
did he kill the woman ?
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No he just terrified her in her own home, I doubt if she's felt safe since. I know one thing, she didn't do anything wrong, she sure wasn't resisting arrest and fighting with the police.

Don't we all know from the time we're children that if the police tell you to do something, you'd better mind? If we get pulled over do we think we have the option of just sitting there refusing to roll down the window, like he did? If we're told to get in the police car do we think we can kick them and fight against them and they wont fight back? Do we expect them to just step back and let us go on our way?

Eight ways George Floyd could have stayed alive that day.
He could have:
1. Not given a counterfeit bill to the clerk. (And we know it was, the manager wouldn't have sent the clerk out to get him twice if it hadn't been obvious.)
2. Gone back inside Cup Foods when the clerk asked him to. All he would have had to do was say he hadn't known it was bad and exchanged it for another 20.
3. Gone back in the second time the frightened young clerk came out and begged him to.
4. Driven away.
5. Rolled down the window for the first cop and said he was sorry he hadn't understood and gone in Cup Foods and straightened it out.
6. Complied with the second group of cops they had to call for back-up. (Chauvin and Thao) They would have taken him down to the station, asked him where he got the 20 and then let him go. The police could only charge him with counterfeiting if they went to his apartment and found some sort of system in use.
7. Stayed in the back of the police car rather than fight and claw to get out asking to be put on the ground.
8. Not swallowed a whole lot of drugs.
 
Della said:
No he just terrified her in her own home, I doubt if she's felt safe since. I know one thing, she didn't do anything wrong, she sure wasn't resisting arrest and fighting with the police.

Don't we all know from the time we're children that if the police tell you to do something, you'd better mind? If we get pulled over do we think we have the option of just sitting there refusing to roll down the window, like he did? If we're told to get in the police car do we think we can kick them and fight against them and they wont fight back? Do we expect them to just step back and let us go on our way?

Eight ways George Floyd could have stayed alive that day.
He could have:
1. Not given a counterfeit bill to the clerk. (And we know it was, the manager wouldn't have sent the clerk out to get him twice if it hadn't been obvious.)
2. Gone back inside Cup Foods when the clerk asked him to. All he would have had to do was say he hadn't known it was bad and exchanged it for another 20.
3. Gone back in the second time the frightened young clerk came out and begged him to.
4. Driven away.
5. Rolled down the window for the first cop and said he was sorry he hadn't understood and gone in Cup Foods and straightened it out.
6. Complied with the second group of cops they had to call for back-up. (Chauvin and Thao) They would have taken him down to the station, asked him where he got the 20 and then let him go. The police could only charge him with counterfeiting if they went to his apartment and found some sort of system in use.
7. Stayed in the back of the police car rather than fight and claw to get out asking to be put on the ground.
8. Not swallowed a whole lot of drugs.
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well floyd didn't kill anyone.. he was in his car , asleep.. so you think he deserves to be killed for that ?
 
hollydolly said:
well floyd didn't kill anyone.. he was in his car , asleep.. so you think he deserves to be killed for that ?
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No. Do you seriously think he was killed for being asleep in his car? (He was not asleep.)
Do people seriously think he was killed for passing a bad bill? No.

George Floyd was killed during a struggle with the police while resisting arrest. The fact that there was a struggle was Floyd's fault. The fact that Chauvin lost control during the struggle was Chauvin's fault and for that he should have been punished and was.
 
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Della said:
George Floyd was killed during a struggle with the police while resisting arrest.
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That's a lie. When the cop killed Mr. Floyd, his neck was under the murder's knee for 9 Minutes. For those nine minutes, Mr. Floyd was barely able to breath, he was not struggling at all and those witnessing the murder were begging that racist pig to let him live.
 
~15:30 cops says to Chauvin "do you want to lay him on the side?" Chauvin says "leave him" cop responds "he's worried........."

Members of the crowd then chime in reminding the cops they will kill Floyd if they don't stop.

There is no reason for this murder, there is no relativism, whataboustism, deflections or strawmans that can ever excuse what those 4 officers did and the system that perpetuates these criminal acts.
 
You just said it yourself, Againstthegrain, at 15:30 the junior cop said to the senior cop, Chauvin, that they might try to turn him on his side and Chauvin told him no. Yet he, Kueng and Thomas Lane, that nice, patient young black cop, both on their first week policing are now in prison because of the sweeping hatred of all cops that this incident sparked.
 
Della said:
You just said it yourself, Againstthegrain, at 15:30 the junior cop said to the senior cop, Chauvin, that they might try to turn him on his side and Chauvin told him no. Yet he and that nice, patient young black cop, both on their first week policing are now in prison because of the sweeping hatred of all cops that this incident sparked.
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Nobody likes killer cops in the United States, everyone deserves a fair trial if they committed any crime. I don't hate all cops, most Americans don't, just the ones who abuse their power and commit modern day lynchings.
 
Della said:
You just said it yourself, Againstthegrain, at 15:30 the junior cop said to the senior cop, Chauvin, that they might try to turn him on his side and Chauvin told him no. Yet he, Kueng and Thomas Lane, that nice, patient young black cop, both on their first week policing are now in prison because of the sweeping hatred of all cops that this incident sparked.
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At 15:30 it became what the cops were doing turned criminal. Tried and convicted all 4 of them.

And the video is proof that convinced many that had previously accepted and tolerated the tyrants that they could no longer standby w/out fighting back.
 

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