Didn’t Want to be Rude But I Don't Do Questions about My Service

My Husband served during the Viet Nam war. Because he was in the Navy and never went to Viet Nam he never is comfortable talking about serving. He feels he can not equate with those who risked their lives in Viet Nam.
Please tell your hubby this... (y)
Most importantly, stand tall and proud, for you have earned the right to be called a Veteran.
 
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"All these men stood up and saluted me. I told them if they were going to do that, I wouldn’t be back and they agreed not to."
Seems honest & reasonable

"I don’t do questions about my service. I won’t be going back anymore." You didn't tell them "if they were going to do that, I wouldn’t be back".

That worked for saluting.

Not rude to set boundaries, Makes future meetings easier.
 
Quote
"All these men stood up and saluted me. I told them if they were going to do that, I wouldn’t be back and they agreed not to."
Seems honest & reasonable

"I don’t do questions about my service. I won’t be going back anymore." You didn't tell them "if they were going to do that, I wouldn’t be back".

That worked for saluting.

Not rude to set boundaries, Makes future meetings easier.
Like I said earlier, maybe I was a bit hasty and I’ll try again. This time, I’ll set the ground rules. No talking business. Tell all the jokes and funny stories you like, but there’s nothing to be gained by telling the horror stories.
 
Like I said earlier, maybe I was a bit hasty and I’ll try again. This time, I’ll set the ground rules. No talking business. Tell all the jokes and funny stories you like, but there’s nothing to be gained by telling the horror stories.
I completely understand. I wasn't in Nam but one of the mechanics that worked for me was. At one time we worked together & became friends.

He was a marine that saw a lot of death & it affected him. He wasn't to social but was one heck of a mechanic. As his supervisor one day we sat talking about his not to great interaction with his fellow mechanics. He asked if we could talk about it the next day. We agreed to talk the following day.

He brought in photos he smuggled out of Nam, photos of some of the men he served with. All dead laid out on a tarmack waiting for corpsmen to deal with the bodies. Top of a torso the bottom missing. Others with limbs missing. All in all really difficult for me to look at. That helped me understand why he preferred to work alone.

That isn't the end to this. He died a few years ago. On his coffin were 3 purple hearts, I found out from his wife 1 was for saving members of his group, not all. The pictures were of the ones he wasn't able to save. He went on to save others, thus the triple awards.

I can't begin to understand how he could even function in civilian life, what I do know is I was fortunate to have him as a friend
 
Like I said earlier, maybe I was a bit hasty and I’ll try again. This time, I’ll set the ground rules. No talking business. Tell all the jokes and funny stories you like, but there’s nothing to be gained by telling the horror stories.
That may work. Do you actually know any of the men in the group on the outside? I understand where you are coming from. Even though it’s been 55 years or so for me, I really don’t care to rehash the memories. I will say it wasn’t all bad, but the few good times we had did break up the day to day fears we all carried. You don’t talk about the fears and nobody asks you if you are scared. You just knew that we were all at least a little afraid. It’s when someone in your unit gets shot that makes you even more aware.
 
Had I taken a life I would not speak of it, ever. But I dealt with classified information because I was a radio operator in a message center. I handled cryptographic keying materials on a daily basis including items that only officers were to handle. Well they don't set up the crypto equipment, I do, and when it stops decoding properly they ask me what to do. There are messages that state 'officers eyes only' , okay so well there is the routing table and the typewriter, you route the message then. Most of us had top secret clearance, some of us had a little higher and of course it was all based on a 'need to know' and didnt matter wether you had the necessary clearance or not.
I do like to converse with other service people, where they served, what their job was, what was the country like, how were the people, there are a lot of interesting subjects.
 
I tell him that all the time. He had gotten rejected by the Army so he joined the Navy and was accepted.I just found his picture,
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I had to jump through hoops to get into the Naval Academy. Without the help of our Congressional Representative, I doubt if I would have been accepted. In fact, he told me I had a better chance getting into the U.S. Air Force Academy.
 
Wasn’t sure where to post this. This morning, I stopped at a diner for breakfast. It was about 8 am. I walked to the back of the diner to use the restroom and I saw a group of older men with some wearing Marine apparel. I asked the one fellow if they were all Marines and he told me that they meet the last Wednesday of every month for breakfast. He asked me if I was a Marine and I told him I retired from the Marines. He asked what my rank was and I told him I was an O-5, Lt. Col. He asked me to join them, so I agreed to do that.

This man introduced me as Lt. Col. So and So. All these men stood up and saluted me. I told them if they were going to do that, I wouldn’t be back and they agreed not to. After I sat down, then the questions started about my service. I don’t do questions about my service. I won’t be going back anymore. I don’t want to be rude and tell them I don’t answer questions, so I think it’s best for me to just stay away.

Agree or not?
Even though you ask if we agree or not, not one single person on this forum knows what you know and can make that decision with any credibility. Why does others' approval or disapproval even matter? If anyone judges you to be rude, then that just exposes their lack of understanding and would make me suspicious of any stories they tell, especially ones of horror or tragedy.

Whether you should stay away or join them again and explain why you don't want to answer questions is solely your decision and not for anyone else to even comment about. For us to comment with our opinions is like being on a jury where the opening statements are also the closing statements and no evidence is presented. The jury is asked to make a decision without knowing the facts on either side.

We cannot put ourselves in your position without knowing what is the basis and facts of your position.
 
Even though you ask if we agree or not, not one single person on this forum knows what you know and can make that decision with any credibility. Why does others' approval or disapproval even matter? If anyone judges you to be rude, then that just exposes their lack of understanding and would make me suspicious of any stories they tell, especially ones of horror or tragedy.

Whether you should stay away or join them again and explain why you don't want to answer questions is solely your decision and not for anyone else to even comment about. For us to comment with our opinions is like being on a jury where the opening statements are also the closing statements and no evidence is presented. The jury is asked to make a decision without knowing the facts on either side.

We cannot put ourselves in your position without knowing what is the basis and facts of your position.
I think sometimes it's a good idea to seek out others' opinions if you feel maybe you erred in your initial decision. On the ride home from that breakfast. I thought maybe I was a bit too hasty. After all, they had no idea what my job was and I will never discuss it with anyone I don't trust. It's not a good idea to share your most inner secrets with people you don't know or trust, but that doesn't mean you can't get an opinion.

My psychiatrist at the VA once told me about setting boundaries. It's like putting up a fence around yourself and only allowing those people that you trust the most to enter through that fence. So, I kind of lived by that pretty much all my life. There is only one person on this forum that I have shared my inner most secrets with. The only way for that person to break that trust is if she were to share my inner most secrets with others here and I would find out.

I hope my post doesn't come across as being obtrusive or mean. It wasn't meant to be.
 
NorthernLight: I have to ask …Do you often see the Northern Lights or the Aurora Borealis? I have see them when I was in the military and spent a few weeks at the North Pole. They are spectacular to see when it’s dark out. Problem is that it’s also so cold and I mean really cold. I used to have no idea why we needed a weather station up there. Then I walked into one of the Restricted huts and saw 6 men sitting around with headsets on and that’s when I got the idea of what was going on. Have you ever been to NORD? It’s more than a weather station. The military listens to the garble across the airwaves 24/7. Thule Base is used for multiple activities.
 
I think sometimes it's a good idea to seek out others' opinions if you feel maybe you erred in your initial decision.
YES! One of the best parts of a group like this is that we *can* ask for opinions. That's why I've felt so "at home" here since the day I joined. I knew right away that I could ask advice on anything and hear all kinds of answers... some agreeing with my thoughts, some against them, but what I'd end up ultimately deciding is on me... just with more options than I would have had on my own. I would never want to live in the kind of vacuum that wouldn't allow me to reach out for other opinions.

Your post sounded fine and I admire you for trusting members here enough to *ask.* @Been There
 
Like I said earlier, maybe I was a bit hasty and I’ll try again. This time, I’ll set the ground rules. No talking business. Tell all the jokes and funny stories you like, but there’s nothing to be gained by telling the horror stories.
That's one area I'd sure understand. There's no need to dig up the past, actions or memories of that time. It doesn't help and more likely hurts.
 
YES! One of the best parts of a group like this is that we *can* ask for opinions. That's why I've felt so "at home" here since the day I joined. I knew right away that I could ask advice on anything and hear all kinds of answers... some agreeing with my thoughts, some against them, but what I'd end up ultimately deciding is on me... just with more options than I would have had on my own. I would never want to live in the kind of vacuum that wouldn't allow me to reach out for other opinions.

Your post sounded fine and I admire you for trusting members here enough to *ask.* @Been There
Sure, we aren’t perfect and therefore; we aren’t always going to make the best choice or decision. If we aren’t sure if we made the right choice, it’s good to listen to others’ opinions. I’m not saying we should run our lives based on living by a consensus, but just listening to a person’s opinion and their rationale for having that opinion, may make a difference.
 
NorthernLight: I have to ask …Do you often see the Northern Lights or the Aurora Borealis? I have see them when I was in the military and spent a few weeks at the North Pole. They are spectacular to see when it’s dark out. Problem is that it’s also so cold and I mean really cold. I used to have no idea why we needed a weather station up there. Then I walked into one of the Restricted huts and saw 6 men sitting around with headsets on and that’s when I got the idea of what was going on. Have you ever been to NORD? It’s more than a weather station. The military listens to the garble across the airwaves 24/7. Thule Base is used for multiple activities.
I called myself Northern Light because ... I tend to use words like Air or Light in my usernames. And since I moved to the north, it kind of made sense. But no, I haven't seen the Northern Lights in this northern location. My language partner, in his late 30s, has lived here most of his life, and he says he's never seen them.

I've seen the Aurora twice, in cities, unexpectedly. Once in Southern Ontario, and once in Thunder Bay (north shore of Lake Superior).

As you say, it's kind of too cold to hang around outside. I used to look out the window every night, just in case, but now I don't bother. I guess if I see 'em I see 'em.

I've never been to NORD or Thule. They're in Greenland, right? I'm in a little nowhere town in Canada and don't get around much. Anywhere I could go (even the next town) is too far/too hard to get to. As you know, the north is very vast.
 
I called myself Northern Light because ... I tend to use words like Air or Light in my usernames. And since I moved to the north, it kind of made sense. But no, I haven't seen the Northern Lights in this northern location. My language partner, in his late 30s, has lived here most of his life, and he says he's never seen them.

I've seen the Aurora twice, in cities, unexpectedly. Once in Southern Ontario, and once in Thunder Bay (north shore of Lake Superior).

As you say, it's kind of too cold to hang around outside. I used to look out the window every night, just in case, but now I don't bother. I guess if I see 'em I see 'em.

I've never been to NORD or Thule. They're in Greenland, right? I'm in a little nowhere town in Canada and don't get around much. Anywhere I could go (even the next town) is too far/too hard to get to. As you know, the north is very vast.
Yes, those places and Thule are in Greenland. I could never live further north than I am now and in fact, Virginia is too far north.
 
Wasn’t sure where to post this. This morning, I stopped at a diner for breakfast. It was about 8 am. I walked to the back of the diner to use the restroom and I saw a group of older men with some wearing Marine apparel. I asked the one fellow if they were all Marines and he told me that they meet the last Wednesday of every month for breakfast. He asked me if I was a Marine and I told him I retired from the Marines. He asked what my rank was and I told him I was an O-5, Lt. Col. He asked me to join them, so I agreed to do that.

This man introduced me as Lt. Col. So and So. All these men stood up and saluted me. I told them if they were going to do that, I wouldn’t be back and they agreed not to. After I sat down, then the questions started about my service. I don’t do questions about my service. I won’t be going back anymore. I don’t want to be rude and tell them I don’t answer questions, so I think it’s best for me to just stay away.

Agree or not?
Agree. You'll have to do what you think best, Col. Follow your gut instinct. Hasn't let you down so far.

Groups as you describe are not uncommon. It is a natural by-product of the warfighter craft. Majority of civilians without military service do not understand the craft. Esp., career military service. As a result, support groups like this pop up. They have no one else to talk to that can relate. Generally, they mean well. Seems, though, there is always one or two that turn a conversation into a competition. Therein lies the rub.

Me, personally, I tend to stay away from those groups. Good luck. Cheers. A
 
because of my security clearance and the information I was privy to most of it was not for public knowledge. but after doing some research I find most of the info I had was already compromised.
 
My dad served in World War II, with the Army Airborne. He was stationed in New Guinea. He never talked about the war. I don't really think that he saw much action. Neither did my other 4 uncles, that were in the military during the war. Although I do recall my dad and I enjoyed watching war movies about the second world war and the Korean War.
 
because of my security clearance and the information I was privy to most of it was not for public knowledge. but after doing some research I find most of the info I had was already compromised.
When I left the Marines, I had a job lined up at the Pentagon in the Department of Defense (War Section). During the war with Afghanistan and the Taliban and al Qaeda, we would hold daily meetings. I held a Class II Clearance, which kept me out of some of the high level meetings, but I did learn more than I wished I did.

After 5 years, I knew it was time for me to leave. I was getting to know too much and I felt uncomfortable knowing what I did. I really thought this isn’t good, so I decided to leave before I knew more than what I cared to, so I gave notice and left.
 
because of my security clearance and the information I was privy to most of it was not for public knowledge. but after doing some research I find most of the info I had was already compromised.
Still be careful about what you say and write, 'D'. Those classified info/pers debriefs come with a lifetime guarantee of punishment. No statute of limitations regardless if the info comes up open source or not.
 
I will keep many of those classified message texts to my grave. the public will never know just how close to nuclear war we have come in the past.
 
I will keep many of those classified message texts to my grave. the public will never know just how close to nuclear war we have come in the past.
I noticed the longer I was at the Pentagon, the more information I was being trusted with. One day I had lunch with an Army Colonel and we got to talking about careers in the service and I asked him if he had hopes of being promoted to General someday. He made the statement that it’s like working here. The longer you stay, the more you learn and that makes you more unlikely to be allowed to leave. I was kidding with him when I said,”that sounds like the Mafia.” He looked at me and said “yeah, you got it.”

That night when I got home, I kept thinking about what he said. I was 4 months away from having my 5 years in, so I decided to keep a low profile and at the end of the 4 months, I was out of there. I wasn’t looking for a career when I signed on there, but I didn’t want to be filled with so much information that they wouldn’t let me go. I think I did the right thing.
 
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