Dietary supplement use sends thousands to the ER each year

More than 23,000 visits to emergency rooms occur annually due to complications from taking dietary supplements such as herbal or complementary nutritional products, vitamins, and minerals, according to scientists from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration who coauthored the study. About 2,154 of the visits resulted in hospitalizations, the scientists reported.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dietary-supplement-use-sends-thousands-to-the-er-each-year/

"If your doctor tells you to take two pills, you take two pills, but if you go to a nutrition store you may think if two pills is good, then six must be great. In the supplement world, more is not necessarily good."

The bigger and more is better just does not fly. Some supplement do not even have in then what is printed on

the label.
 

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It's a smear campaign.
Don't you believe it, review the facts. http://www.anh-usa.org/hhs-says-supp...-er-each-year/


The mainstream media is using a new study funded by the US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), released last week, to renew the false charges that supplements are unregulated, unsafe, and require more federal oversight.

Even a cursory examination of the data provided in the study, however, demonstrates once again that the alarmist headlines and the calls for tighter regulations are completely unsupported by the evidence.

First, over 20% of the cases analyzed were the result of unsupervised children swallowing pills. 40% of cases among those 65 and older were caused by choking. Many other cases were heart palpitations from ingesting too many diet pills, sexual enhancement pills, and energy drinks. Undoubtedly some percentage of these so-called dietary supplements were simply illegal substances, but we aren’t told what the percentage is.

One of HHS’s agencies, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), reports that there were actually only 3,249 supplement-related adverse event reports submitted, either from doctors or hospitals, to the FDA in 2012—a far cry from the 23,000 being claimed in the study.

Part of the gross discrepancy in the numbers is likely due to the fact that eye drops, ear drops, and other over-the-counter products that are not dietary supplements were apparently included by the researchers. Why they chose to do this, they will have to explain.

The study also omits important details on the adverse events counted. For instance, it does not report which products caused the adverse events. This is important because many adverse reactions could be the result of a handful of “adulterated” (illegal) products. The FDA already has the authority to remove adulterated products from the market. Supplements are further regulated by the FTC and must also follow stringent good manufacturing practices to ensure that products are safe.

In fact, the study actually demonstrates something we have been saying for a long time: supplements have an exemplary track record of safety. Considering that about half of all Americans—about 150 million people—use dietary supplements, even the inflated 23,000 number represents only about 0.015% of dietary supplement users.

Pharmaceutical drugs, on the other hand, even when properly prescribed, cause an estimated 1.9 million hospitalizations and 128,000 hospital deaths each year. Deaths outside of hospitals would add considerably to this total if recorded. If public health were truly HHS’s concern, shouldn’t they be focusing on prescription drugs?

What explains the misleading focus on supplements? Not surprisingly, some of the authors of the study are FDA officials. For years the agency has been trying to increase its authority over supplements, attempting to institute a drug-like approval system for them. Because Big Pharma pays the FDA’s bills and provides cushy post-government jobs, we suspect that a lot of this is attempting to curry favor with drug companies.

A drug approval system for supplements, remember, would lead to the destruction of the industry. Unable to pay the exorbitant cost of the FDA approval process (because they sell unpatentable natural substances and could never charge enough to recoup their investment for even one of their products, never mind their entire product line), supplement producers would have to shutter their doors, eliminating thousands of products from the market. This removes competition for Big Pharma and allows them either to monopolize the supplement market or more often try to turn supplements into hugely expensive prescription drugs.

Don’t be fooled by the headlines. The overall strategy at play here has little to do with consumer safety and much, much more to do with bolstering the bottom line of the world’s major pharmaceutical companies. For more information on supplement safety, visit our SupplementFactCheck.org.
 
It's clear that article was misleading.

I like to see more testing on the pills to see that you are getting what you pay for.

They buy ingredients from China and do not test it.
 

I like to see more testing on the pills to see that you are getting what you pay for.

I really don't know too much about the testing of these supplements by the government alphabet agencies, but I do know that if they want to, my $15 bottle of Vitamin C will end up requiring a doctors prescription, and I would be limited to something like 30 capsules for that price, instead of 100.

I've been using a lot of vitamins and supplements for many years now, and am on no prescription medications. I am far from a health freak, just an average person with Diabetes in my immediate family, high blood pressure, etc. I've been doing pretty well with vitamins and herbs, and would like to continue having the freedom to buy them off the store shelves without government interference.

Like with any product, you get what you pay for and have to choose wisely and read labels. More here about testing of supplements.

We’ve told you before about Sen. Dick Durbin’s (D-IL) Dietary Supplement Labeling Act[SUP][3][/SUP]. Recently, he went on National Public Radio’s Science Friday[SUP][4][/SUP] to drum up support for this dishonest bill.Sen. Durbin’s strategy has been to paint the dietary supplement industry as under-regulated and over-influential, blocking small, reasonable regulatory changes that would protect vulnerable consumers. (This, of course, is patently false, as we’ve proven over [SUP][5][/SUP] and over [SUP][6][/SUP].) Don’t be deceived by the spin. The proposed changes are neither small nor reasonable.

The NPR interview was important because the senator came out of the shadows to speak on the record. By doing so, he demonstrated his fundamental (or perhaps willful) lack of understanding about the natural health industry, dietary supplements, their regulation, and even his own legislation. He also fully revealed his intentions for nutritional supplements—that they be regulated like drugs!

Here are some of the highlights from the full transcript [SUP][4][/SUP]:
[The bill requires supplement manufacturers to] provide the FDA with…some basic information about…whether there’s any chemical included in the product that might interact with other drugs or cause some difficulty. It’s just basic information.

In his own words, Sen. Durbin is saying that supplement producers would be legally liable for identifying anything about the supplement that “might” interact with a drug or cause some vague and ill-defined additional difficulty.

This is not “basic information.” Even drug companies are not required to report how a drug might interact with all other drugs, because they could not do so. How would the supplement producers know about what “might” interact with every single drug? Or cocktail of drugs? No supplement producer could possibly comply with this requirement, and could face jail or bankruptcy for failing to comply. Sen. Durbin knows full well that this would shut down the supplement industry.

To make it more confusing, Durbin’s bill doesn’t actually require what the senator says it does. Perhaps he wanted this provision but dropped it for the time being and then forgot. Whatever the explanation, this seems to be yet another instance of a senator not reading or understanding his own bill.

The bill does require the FDA to create a list of ingredients that could cause drug interactions, AERs, or problems for sensitive populations. This is still nonsense, because the FDA also would not be able to be sure whether an ingredient interacted with a drug, given the numbers of ingredients and drugs. And of course to be complete, a list of interactions would decide whether the interaction was minor or potentially serious and cover not just one ingredient and one drug, but cocktails of ingredients and drugs. Good luck to anyone trying to figure this out.

According to the bill as written, the IOM (U.S. Institute of Medicine) would study the FDA’s list of interactions. Those judged to be risky would require warnings on the labels. That’s right, completely arbitrary determinations resulting in label warnings—which, if the IOM is involved, will probably include warnings on dosages of vitamins. This creates a slippery slope to a restrictive system like the one they have in the European Union, because it starts with an arbitrary determination of risk and mandatory labeling, and goes from there.

Remember how the IOM originally identified 10,000 IU as a safe threshold for vitamin D, then suddenly and without explanation decided to set the limit at 4,000 IU? The IOM now recommends 600 IU as a daily dosage for people between the ages of 1 and 70 (as if all ages and body weights from infancy on should be identical). By contrast, Harvard and the Vitamin D Council recommend anywhere from 1,000 to 5,000 IU a day.

So if, in the senator’s bill, the IOM gets to decide on dosages, we might see warning labels for dosages that many respected health researchers believe are minimal therapeutic amounts! This is particularly absurd given the enormity of evidence for higher levels of vitamin D. This could be an eventual backdoor to the extremely low Upper Limits favored by the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) and Codex, which have already led to extremely low dietary supplement dosages in the EU.

The senator always takes care to sound reasonable, even when he is being anything but reasonable. For example:

I want at least to be sure, as a consumer, of what I’m consuming and what my family would be consuming.
Well, we can certainly agree with the Senator about: the Right to Know [SUP][7][/SUP]! We believe all food and food-like substances (which is the technical definition of a dietary supplement) should be clearly labeled as to what they contain.

As we’ll discuss further below, this is already required by law with one glaring exception: genetically modified organisms. Unfortunately support for GMO labeling would no doubt get the senator in trouble with Big Farma in Illinois.

The senator continues:

I’m not ruling out dietary supplements….but I think the standard we’ve tried to establish is, Are they safe? Are they safe for the general public?…And secondly, are they effective?

Safety and efficacy: these terms, to the average person, probably again sound quite reasonable. However, these are the exact FDA code words [SUP][8][/SUP] for the drug approval process! The senator clearly intends to subject dietary supplements to FDA drug standards.
Here’s the problem.

If either healthy foods or the dietary supplements were regulated by the FDA like drugs, they would be subjected to the drug industry’s “gold standard”—the RCTs that cost billions of dollars. The latest average cost figure we have seen is $2.3 billion per approval.

In most cases, natural products like supplements can’t be patented, so supplement companies could never hope to make back an investment in FDA approval. In addition, many supplements should be taken with co-factors and so should not be studied in isolation like a drug.

If Sen. Durbin gets his way, most dietary supplement companies would be put out of business, clearing the way for Big Pharma to take over with their synthetic versions of the same products—at prescription prices. And as we noted last month [SUP][3][/SUP], 157 million Americans—half the US population—take supplements each year, but less than one-hundredth of one percent of them have adverse effects from them—an average of only 1,575 per year. By comparison, there are on average 526,527 adverse events for prescription drugs [SUP][9][/SUP] each year—275,421 of which have “serious outcomes,” including death.

FDA-approved drugs cause over 400 times the number of adverse events of nutritional supplements, more than 100,000 calls to Poison Control Centers, 56,000 emergency room visits, 2,600 hospitalizations, and 80% of Poison Control fatalities—nearly 500 deaths each year are attributed to acetaminophen (Tylenol) alone! In each case, the problem is being caused by an FDA approved product ( for more on this see our article today on rheumatoid arthritis drugs).

While we are on the subject of safety, Sen. Durbin’s words show that he either doesn’t know or chooses to ignore that nutritional supplements already go through a safety testing process.

Supplement companies, by law, must comply with the Dietary Supplement Current Good Manufacturing Practices [SUP][10][/SUP] (CGMPs) and must conduct testing throughout the production process as well as testing the finished product for quality control.

As with the pharmaceutical industry, the burden is on supplement companies to test their own products, because in the end they are liable should FDA choose to take enforcement action against them.

More from the senator:

I think most Americans would be surprised to know that the dietary supplements which they’ve purchased…are not registered with the US Food and Drug Administration with any basic information. The bill that I’ve suggested [requires] that every manufacturer provide the FDA with a copy of their label as well as a list of ingredients….

The senator surely knows that:


  • The government has already implemented a database of dietary supplement labels [SUP][11][/SUP]—a database of ingredients included in dietary supplements [SUP][12][/SUP];
  • Current law mandates that all supplements list all of their ingredients on their labels [SUP][13][/SUP];
  • Manufacturers are required to register with the FDA [SUP][14][/SUP]before producing or marketing supplements;
  • Existing legislation mandates that dietary supplement manufacturers notify FDA [SUP][15][/SUP] before they produce a product that contains a new dietary ingredient (NDI). If a supplement ingredient isn’t an NDI, then it’s been marketed and used safely by consumers for decades.
Also, let’s not forget that FDA has full power to take enforcement action [SUP][6][/SUP], should any supplement—new or old—prove harmful or illegal.

When asked what’s the “hold-up” on increased regulation of dietary supplements, the senator responds:

I’ve been trying for a long, long time to move in this direction, but there are players in the industry that resist any type of disclosure.

Let’s be honest. Supplement manufacturers have very little influence on Capitol Hill. The “big players” on this bill are actually from the drug industry! PhRMA, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, is considered one of DC’s [SUP][16][/SUP] top lobbying groups, and is zealously trying to keep natural supplements from gaining any more of a foothold in the lucrative healthcare field.

No, the driving force behind the opposition to Sen. Durbin’s anti-supplement legislation is not the supplement manufacturers, but consumers! After all, it was consumer-activists like you that sent over 100,000 messages to Congress [SUP][17][/SUP] to defeat his 2012 anti-supplement amendment (the 2012 amendment is—verbatim—the same Labeling Bill he’s pushing now).

So far, Sen. Durbin lacks even the support of his own colleagues: S.1424 [SUP][18][/SUP] (the Labeling Act) has only one-cosponsor, and his 2012 amendment was defeated by a vote of 77 to 20 [SUP][19][/SUP](that’s particularly harsh, coming from a Democrat-controlled Congress).

More from the senator:

I think there are opportunities out there [for dietary supplements] and I applaud the research that tries to move us in new areas to find cures.

Despite this further attempt to sound reasonable, the senator knows full well that dietary supplements can’t claim to treat or “cure” diseases: this would make them drugs in the FDA’s eyes, and they would—surprise!—have to be taken through the full FDA approval process.

Just as important as what Sen. Durbin does say is what he doesn’t say. He fails to mention overwhelming consumer support for dietary supplements free from additional government requirements that would destroy the market. He ignores the mountain of evidence that dietary supplements are far safer than even over-the-counter drugs (as was clearly demonstrated by the GAO report that the senator himself requested [SUP][20][/SUP]). And he is blind to the importance of the dietary supplement industry for the American economy—it has the capacity to support 450,000 jobs [SUP][21][/SUP] and, in 2006, paid more than $10 billion dollars in taxes.

Despite all this, we appreciate that Senator Durbin finally put his views on the record, where they can be discussed objectively, not just buried in the dense legalese of his bill.





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Can you document this?



Do you remember that spell where China was selling crap stuff that was tainted? What was that about ten or twelve years ago. Tainted pet food, formula, etc.

Well I remember watching a show called Marketplace (Canadian) and I remember them going to that Jamiesons company and the spokesman said that for their product, they never buy ingredients from China. Needless to say I started buying that brand. So if a vitamin manufacturer is on record saying that, maybe it's not that unlikely that Chinese vitamins aren't properly tested.
 
If that information comes from studying death certificates, I'd be skeptical either way. I've witnessed two with my parents and decided the doctors just make up stuff when they don't know.
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/herbal-supplements-targeted-by-new-york-attorney-general/

Numerous store brand supplements aren't what their labels claim to be, according to an ongoing investigation that subjected popular herbal supplements to DNA testing.
The investigation, led by New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, focused on a variety of herbal supplements from four major retailers: GNC, Target, Walmart and Walgreen Co. Lab tests determined that only 21 percent of the products actually had DNA from the the plants advertised on the labels.

Contaminants identified included allium, rice, wheat, palm, daisy, and dracaena (houseplant).

You not likely to die from it but it not likely to do you much good

A little random testing would be a good thing:)
 
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A lot of the Vitamin C supplements sold in the US are from China, but reputable vitamin companies assure complete testing and safety standards when using these ingredients. http://www.swansonvitamins.com/blog/vitamins-supplements-faqs/chinese-products

I'm sure some of my vitamins come from China and other countries, with some herbs it's hard to avoid, but using quality brands with strict regulations help to weed out the junk or synthethic vitamins that they may sell at Costco or Walmart or the Dollar Store.

I used to give my dog Chicken Jerky from China until I heard the health reports, the regulations were very poor for these products. I threw out my jerky, and only fed made in the US treats from that point on.
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/herbal-supplements-targeted-by-new-york-attorney-general/

Numerous store brand supplements aren't what their labels claim to be, according to an ongoing investigation that subjected popular herbal supplements to DNA testing.
The investigation, led by New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, focused on a variety of herbal supplements from four major retailers: GNC, Target, Walmart and Walgreen Co. Lab tests determined that only 21 percent of the products actually had DNA from the the plants advertised on the labels.

Contaminants identified included allium, rice, wheat, palm, daisy, and dracaena (houseplant).

A little random testing would be a good thing:)

As a (retired) OMD I had occasion to order many herbs from China.

I'm pretty sure that Walmart and their ilk used the lowest-priced, lowest-quality vendors for their supplies. There ARE safe, high-quality vendors over there - you just have to know who they are and be willing to pay the price for the proper product.

Good posts, Sea.
 
Gah, I remember over the counter diet stuff from high school, ridiculous caffeine and who knows what else, you were shaking and queasy but definitely not thinking of food. I'd be afraid of anything on the market...it's not regulated until somebody dies or comes close to it.
 
All that diet stuff is junk IMO, caffeine and other unsafe ingredients, I wouldn't take that stuff if you paid me. You have to have a little common sense when it comes to taking anything, even prescription drugs, which seem to come with the longest list of dangerous side effects from the ones I see them pushing on the TV commercials every day of the week.
 
I take a daily multivitamin, and a 6mg Lutein pill every day...the vitamin in case I don't eat right, and the lutein for my eyes, since my old Dad had Macular Degeneration in his later years. I order them from Swanson Vitamins, online. So far, so good. I take NO prescription drugs, and outside of a little arthritis, I feel as good as I did at age 40. I figure I spend less than $5 a month on this routine.

Contrast that to a recent report which said that 40% of today's Seniors are taking 5 or more prescriptions drugs daily....at a cost often running into hundreds of dollars/month.
 
Gah, I remember over the counter diet stuff from high school, ridiculous caffeine and who knows what else, you were shaking and queasy but definitely not thinking of food. I'd be afraid of anything on the market...it's not regulated until somebody dies or comes close to it.

One of the constituents in those diet pills was called ma huang also known as ephedra. Its original use was to induce sweating and to treat asthma, colds and flus.

As you found out, it also has potent anti-sleep properties, somewhat akin to drinking a pot of black coffee. Improperly used it will induce shaking, sweating, nausea and insomnia, as well as - eventually - weight loss.

Again, it isn't good to just take something sitting on the pharmacy shelf - you really have to do your research first.
 
I believe that much of the anti-supplement hype comes from big pharma companies, who really want your big bucks.

I've used various supplements for many, many years, and have found them very helpful. Glucosamine and chondroitin, for example, have helped much with my joint pain, and at much less risk than prescription anti-inflammatories and pain meds.

Just because something has been thru the FDA process certainly does not make it safe. Look at the recalls of diabetes drugs, hormone replacements, and anti-inflammatory drugs used for arthritis, for example. You have to use your head when taking supplements, do your research on the manufacturer and on the supplement itself. IMO, ALL those stimulant-containing diet drugs are dangerous. People have used herbs and supplements for thousands and thousands of years, and many western medicine drugs are based on herbals.
 
I would really like to see All drug advertising removed from TV. I think a lot of people get brainwashed into believing that some pill will cure any ailment...overlooking, of course, the lengthy list of side effects, and long term problems such drugs create. If a drug can be used to help correct some temporary condition, that is good....but when it requires a person to take it for the rest of their lives, something is wrong.
 
I would really like to see All drug advertising removed from TV. I think a lot of people get brainwashed into believing that some pill will cure any ailment...overlooking, of course, the lengthy list of side effects, and long term problems such drugs create. If a drug can be used to help correct some temporary condition, that is good....but when it requires a person to take it for the rest of their lives, something is wrong.

Me too Don! Every day it seems there's a new name they're pushing on the TV, really makes me sick, so many people don't see through it either. I get a kick out of when they push a pharmaceutical to treat the side effects of another prescription drug you're taking. As Butterfly suggested, follow the money! :dollar:
 
Advertising of pharmaceuticals is not allowed over here. The drug companies get around this by talking about whatever 'disease' they have a product for and then saying if you have these symptoms, talk to your doctor. Supplements can be advertised as they don't need a prescription.
 
I would really like to see All drug advertising removed from TV.

Me too! It's downright unscrupulous, prescription drugs should be the doctor's idea, not the patient that has been manipulated by slick marketing.

As for the FDA doing it's job- how about forcing the drug industry to stop including useless and potientially toxic substances(such as acetaminophen) in cold and pain relief medications!!!
 
Unsafe Prescription Drugs

"Just because something has been thru the FDA process certainly does not make it safe"

Literally hundreds of drugs approved for safe Prescription use are actually dangerous as hell. Do wikis on, say, Warfarin (aka rat poison), Cisplatin, Vincristine, or Chemotherapy Drugs.

FWIW, the mechanism by which Warfarin kills rats is that it causes internal bleeding, the animal dying from bleeding to death, nice and quietly. Like people can, if not extremely closely watched, and very carefully dosed.

The day the medico hands me Warfarin to swallow is the day I make him/her take it first. imp
 
I've used various supplements for many, many years, and have found them very helpful. Glucosamine and chondroitin, for example, have helped much with my joint pain, and at much less risk than prescription anti-inflammatories and pain meds.

Butterfly, MSM (Methyl-sulfonyl-methane) is a very good anti-inflammatory, especially for pain from muscle inflammation. We've been using it on and off for years now, other benefits too. Also Turmeric (Curcumin) for inflammation, I take a small spoonful of the spice daily.
 
Butterfly, MSM (Methyl-sulfonyl-methane) is a very good anti-inflammatory, especially for pain from muscle inflammation. We've been using it on and off for years now, other benefits too. Also Turmeric (Curcumin) for inflammation, I take a small spoonful of the spice daily.

Is MSM OTC? imp
 


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