Do Men Really Not Care if They're Liked?

Murrmurr said:
girls (and women) are way more stubborn than boys (and men)
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I find that true especially when they are beautiful. They act like divas with a perpetual sense of entitlement. It's almost as if they expect the world to kow tow to them at all times under all circumstances. Then they walk past you with their noses in the air. While certainly not true of everyone, more often than not they do this more than anyone else.
 

Aneeda72 said:
I am sure you know more about Utah than I do...
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I doubt it.

You have been here longer, but in different places I think. I have lived in Utah 4 different times, Pleasant View (68 to 70), Logan (9 months per year for school 71 to 74 and again 80 to 83), Farmington (95 to 99) and now near Brigham City since 2018; also spent a summer in Millard long ago. My wife is a Utah native.
 
Personally, I don't like to be left out of the circle. Males tend to self-promote and brag about themselves. I get along with most females on the surface but not romantically. My friends are intelligent, must be mutually compatible, open minded, willing to take risks, diverse and positive.

Narcissists are a turnoff. Braggarts are a turnoff, Criminals are a turnoff, Dishonesty is a turnoff.
 
In response to the thread title I'd say "yes" both for myself and generally, but at the same time I acknowledge to "Lazlo needs theory", and the view it is attention human beings crave more than anything, so if praise isn't forthcoming, children and adults who haven't grown up too much, may often resort to poor behaviour IAS a way of attracting attention.
 
grahamg said:
In response to the thread title I'd say "yes" both for myself and generally, but at the same time I acknowledge to "Lazlo needs theory", and the view it is attention human beings crave more than anything, so if praise isn't forthcoming, children and adults who haven't grown up too much, may often resort to poor behaviour IAS a way of attracting attention.
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So sounds like you think that someone craving attention, even just wanting the fact that they're alive to be acknowledged, is immature ("haven't grown up too much" as you put it)?
 
officerripley said:
So sounds like you think that someone craving attention, even just wanting the fact that they're alive to be acknowledged, is immature ("haven't grown up too much" as you put it)?
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I perhaps didn't state my views very clearly due to tiredness etc.

The "Maslow hierarchy of needs" has I think established we all crave attention, (if not this then the "Transactional analysis" psychological theories). However, it is simply the degree we might wish this kind of approval, or "positive attention", and if not getting it, the likelihood we'll resort to bad behaviour to draw even "negative attention" to ourselves, that becomes an issue in regard to whether we've gron up emotionally, (I hope that's clearer?).

Here are some quotes to further illustrate matters:
"What type of person craves attention?

In a person with histrionic personality disorder, self-esteem depends on the approval of others. People with this disorder have an overwhelming desire to be noticed, and often behave dramatically or inappropriately to get attention."

"What is it called when someone always wants attention?

Histrionic personality disorder (HPD) is defined by the American Psychiatric Association as a personality disorder characterized by a pattern of excessive attention-seeking behaviors, usually beginning in early childhood, including inappropriate seduction and an excessive desire for approval."

"Is craving attention a bad thing?

But attention seeking isn't inherently bad, nor is it necessarily inconsequential; rather, attention-seeking behavior exists on a spectrum that ranges from an expression of our most natural desire for human contact to extreme manifestations of psychological suffering, and recognizing when it becomes a cry for help,...."


https://www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/attention-seeking-behavior

And this one:

https://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/psychology-behind-attention-seeking-behavior-in-adults/
 
I wonder, does this describe any past, or present world leader we may know of? Mike

grahamg said:
Here are some quotes to further illustrate matters:
"What type of person craves attention?

In a person with histrionic personality disorder, self-esteem depends on the approval of others. People with this disorder have an overwhelming desire to be noticed, and often behave dramatically or inappropriately to get attention."

"What is it called when someone always wants attention?

Histrionic personality disorder (HPD) is defined by the American Psychiatric Association as a personality disorder characterized by a pattern of excessive attention-seeking behaviors, usually beginning in early childhood, including inappropriate seduction and an excessive desire for approval."

"Is craving attention a bad thing?

But attention seeking isn't inherently bad, nor is it necessarily inconsequential; rather, attention-seeking behavior exists on a spectrum that ranges from an expression of our most natural desire for human contact to extreme manifestations of psychological suffering, and recognizing when it becomes a cry for help,...."
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Geezer Garage said:
I wonder, does this describe any past, or present world leader we may know of? Mike
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Are you trying to get someone in bother asking such a question, I know I'm easily trapped and dragged into arguments, or other invidious positions but this is simply too obvious even for me to fall for tired as I before my big day tomorrow! 🥳
 
oldiebutgoody said:
I find that true especially when they are beautiful. They act like divas with a perpetual sense of entitlement. It's almost as if they expect the world to kow tow to them at all times under all circumstances. Then they walk past you with their noses in the air. While certainly not true of everyone, more often than not they do this more than anyone else.
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You want to meet some of the so called men I know who are just as big a diva as any woman in my view, so though I may accept your argument in general, lets not forget the me who are full of their own importance, and feelings of entitlement :rolleyes::whistle::censored::cautious:!
 
grahamg said:
I perhaps didn't state my views very clearly due to tiredness etc.

The "Maslow hierarchy of needs" has I think established we all crave attention, (if not this then the "Transactional analysis" psychological theories). However, it is simply the degree we might wish this kind of approval, or "positive attention", and if not getting it, the likelihood we'll resort to bad behaviour to draw even "negative attention" to ourselves, that becomes an issue in regard to whether we've gron up emotionally, (I hope that's clearer?).

Here are some quotes to further illustrate matters:
"What type of person craves attention?

In a person with histrionic personality disorder, self-esteem depends on the approval of others. People with this disorder have an overwhelming desire to be noticed, and often behave dramatically or inappropriately to get attention."

"What is it called when someone always wants attention?

Histrionic personality disorder (HPD) is defined by the American Psychiatric Association as a personality disorder characterized by a pattern of excessive attention-seeking behaviors, usually beginning in early childhood, including inappropriate seduction and an excessive desire for approval."

"Is craving attention a bad thing?

But attention seeking isn't inherently bad, nor is it necessarily inconsequential; rather, attention-seeking behavior exists on a spectrum that ranges from an expression of our most natural desire for human contact to extreme manifestations of psychological suffering, and recognizing when it becomes a cry for help,...."


https://www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/attention-seeking-behavior

And this one:

https://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/psychology-behind-attention-seeking-behavior-in-adults/
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Thanks, very informative and helpful. :)
 
Yes, I think I want people to like me but I have worked hard over the years to have good manners, listen to what people say, be helpful and be kind. This tends to surprise a lot of people; especially some women who think all men are evil bruts associated with Mr. Satan.
 
grahamg said:
You want to meet some of the so called men I know who are just as big a diva as any woman in my view, so though I may accept your argument in general, lets not forget the me who are full of their own importance, and feelings of entitlement :rolleyes::whistle::censored::cautious:!
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My own brother is a POS who fits that description well though, in truth, I have known more women well deserving of that designation.
 
grahamg said:
I perhaps didn't state my views very clearly due to tiredness etc.

The "Maslow hierarchy of needs" has I think established we all crave attention, (if not this then the "Transactional analysis" psychological theories). However, it is simply the degree we might wish this kind of approval, or "positive attention", and if not getting it, the likelihood we'll resort to bad behaviour to draw even "negative attention" to ourselves, that becomes an issue in regard to whether we've gron up emotionally, (I hope that's clearer?).

Here are some quotes to further illustrate matters:
"What type of person craves attention?

In a person with histrionic personality disorder, self-esteem depends on the approval of others. People with this disorder have an overwhelming desire to be noticed, and often behave dramatically or inappropriately to get attention."

"What is it called when someone always wants attention?

Histrionic personality disorder (HPD) is defined by the American Psychiatric Association as a personality disorder characterized by a pattern of excessive attention-seeking behaviors, usually beginning in early childhood, including inappropriate seduction and an excessive desire for approval."

"Is craving attention a bad thing?

But attention seeking isn't inherently bad, nor is it necessarily inconsequential; rather, attention-seeking behavior exists on a spectrum that ranges from an expression of our most natural desire for human contact to extreme manifestations of psychological suffering, and recognizing when it becomes a cry for help,...."


https://www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/attention-seeking-behavior

And this one:

https://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/psychology-behind-attention-seeking-behavior-in-adults/
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I'd never heard of HPD before. There's a disorder for everyone in the DSM! :ROFLMAO:
 
I use to care when I was younger. Then I found out some people were just using me. Since getting older I turned into I don't give a Da** what others think. The older you get the more you learn about so-called friends.
 
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