Do You Believe in an Eternal Hell

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ohioboy said:
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Yup, I read the Bible extensively as a child, but not since then. As the saying goes, when I was a child I believed as a child, but I am an old woman now, a tad wiser and I stopped drinking the kool aide.
 

Aneeda72 said:
Yup, I read the Bible extensively as a child, but not since then. As the saying goes, when I was a child I believed as a child, but I am an old woman now, a tad wiser and I stopped drinking the kool aide.
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I actually meant that post for Lara but typed your name! food pa
 
:LOL: What's in the bottle of Crystal Light you're drinking Aneeda??:LOL:
And what does "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" have to do with eternal Hell?

That verse was talking about paying their taxes to Ceasar if they owed taxes. And likewise we should pay our taxes to our govt even though we don't agree with what they are using it for.

When Jesus said that he was drawing a sharp distinction between two kingdoms. There is a kingdom of this world, and Caesar holds power over it. But there is another kingdom, not of this world, and Jesus is King of that (John 18:36). Christians are part of both kingdoms, at least temporarily. Under Caesar, we have certain obligations that involve material things. Under Christ, we have other obligations that involve things eternal. If Caesar demands money, give it to him. But make sure you also give God what He demands.

This thread is about hell not taxes. I'm lost.
 

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Lara said:
:LOL: What's in the bottle of Crystal Light you're drinking Aneeda??:LOL:
And what does "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" have to do with eternal Hell?

That verse was talking about paying their taxes to Ceasar if they owed taxes. And likewise we should pay our taxes to our govt even though we don't agree with what they are using it for.

When Jesus said that he was drawing a sharp distinction between two kingdoms. There is a kingdom of this world, and Caesar holds power over it. But there is another kingdom, not of this world, and Jesus is King of that (John 18:36). Christians are part of both kingdoms, at least temporarily. Under Caesar, we have certain obligations that involve material things. Under Christ, we have other obligations that involve things eternal. If Caesar demands money, give it to him. But make sure you also give God what He demands.

This thread is about hell not taxes. I'm lost.
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I agree with you, you are lost.
 
This Easter Saturday I’ve been invited to attend a Catholic baptism ceremony of an adult and a 10 year old child. I’m not sure if they are taught about heaven and hell in these modern times, but it doesn’t matter, if it makes them happy, so be it.
 
Lara said:
:LOL: What's in the bottle of Crystal Light you're drinking Aneeda??:LOL:
And what does "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" have to do with eternal Hell?

That verse was talking about paying their taxes to Ceasar if they owed taxes. And likewise we should pay our taxes to our govt even though we don't agree with what they are using it for.

When Jesus said that he was drawing a sharp distinction between two kingdoms. There is a kingdom of this world, and Caesar holds power over it. But there is another kingdom, not of this world, and Jesus is King of that (John 18:36). Christians are part of both kingdoms, at least temporarily. Under Caesar, we have certain obligations that involve material things. Under Christ, we have other obligations that involve things eternal. If Caesar demands money, give it to him. But make sure you also give God what He demands.

This thread is about hell not taxes. I'm lost.
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Oh, what medicine is in my bottle of crystal light? Laxative, lots of laxative, want some? Might help
 
mellowyellow said:
This Easter Saturday I’ve been invited to attend a Catholic baptism ceremony of an adult and a 10 year old child. I’m not sure if they are taught about heaven and hell in these modern times, but it doesn’t matter, if it makes them happy, so be it.
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I was baptized Catholic in my 40’s. I had never been baptized before and I got the full dunking. 😍
 
Well, it's time for me to bow out of this thread because I think I've said all I have to say...and then some :giggle:
(I think I hear cheering in the rafters). Thanks for putting up with me everybody. It was a good thread, Serenity
 
Lara said:
:LOL: What's in the bottle of Crystal Light you're drinking Aneeda??:LOL:
And what does "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" have to do with eternal Hell?

That verse was talking about paying their taxes to Ceasar if they owed taxes. And likewise we should pay our taxes to our govt even though we don't agree with what they are using it for.

When Jesus said that he was drawing a sharp distinction between two kingdoms. There is a kingdom of this world, and Caesar holds power over it. But there is another kingdom, not of this world, and Jesus is King of that (John 18:36). Christians are part of both kingdoms, at least temporarily. Under Caesar, we have certain obligations that involve material things. Under Christ, we have other obligations that involve things eternal. If Caesar demands money, give it to him. But make sure you also give God what He demands.

This thread is about hell not taxes. I'm lost.
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Lara this is what I was taught also,,, render to Caesar what is Caesar's ...in answer to paying one's taxes and one's bills. I don't recall this piece of advice having anything to do with Hell.
 
Here are some of my spiritual books. They are my favourite type of book to read. I’m always uplifted whenever I read one of these types of books. I love them all.
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RadishRose said:
Lara this is what I was taught also,,, render to Caesar what is Caesar's ...in answer to paying one's taxes and one's bills. I don't recall this piece of advice having anything to do with Hell.
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It was hell living in Caesars time, it’s hell living in COVID-19 times, earth has always been hell, and, hell since we humans have been alive on earth. But once we die, once I die, hell is/will be over. Do I believe if hell is eternal, nope. It will end when I die.

And there you go, the linkage between what I said and the title of the thread. Apparently I have to spell it out. I suppose I have flushed too many brain cells down the toilet, along with other stuff, and didn’t realize the linkage was not clear. You got to look through the muck to see the prize. 😂

Any other questions? 😍
 
Lara,

You fought the good fight.

I've been involved in situations/discussions such as this the before.

I am a soldier for the Catholic Faith.

I didn't jump in because it would have ended badly with a closed thread.

Since Easter is this Sunday I 'll say this:

Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.
 
What threads not to get involved in.
Why do threads that talk about God always turn out nasty with members poking fun of each other or being intentionally mean? I don’t get it.
 
RadishRose said:
What does Easter being this Sunday have to do with your completely out of context quote?

If you want Father to "forgive them", ask Him. You don't have to post your prayer in writing.
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Like I said earlier. I hesitated in getting involved in this thread.

Two topics that never end well on an internet discussion are politics and religion.

So to respond and gracefully bow out of this thread, because once gain because of my Faith, I have been proven to be demographically insignificant on this forum.

My comment was directed to those that have been Catechized, and admittedly that is the minority here.

Those few would know that:

My "out of context" quote is not out of context.

That "prayer" is not a prayer, but a quote.

And it has everything in the world to do with Easter.

I do not have the time, patience, or inclination to educate, explain, and defend the Catholic Faith here.

I am grossly outnumbered here and it will prove to be an exercise in futility.

With that I bid adieu.
 
J.B Books said:
Like I said earlier. I hesitated in getting involved in this thread.

Two topics that never end well on an internet discussion are politics and religion.

So to respond and gracefully bow out of this thread, because once gain because of my Faith, I have been proven to be demographically insignificant on this forum.

My comment was directed to those that have been Catechized, and admittedly that is the minority here.

Those few would know that:

My "out of context" quote is not out of context.

That "prayer" is not a prayer, but a quote.

And it has everything in the world to do with Easter.

I do not have the time, patience, or inclination to educate, explain, and defend the Catholic Faith here.

I am grossly outnumbered here and it will prove to be an exercise in futility.

With that I bid adieu.
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I disagree with a lot of what you have said and agree with some of what you have said. I actually was interested in your first post as a “soldier“ of the Catholic faith and tried to google what you meant but found no reference. However, in this post you have clarified that expression. So thanks.

I do not feel that the Catholic faith needs to be defended anywhere, It is what it is, and some of what the Catholics have done over the years is indefensible. You will remember I am Catholic. I don’t think anyone needs to “defend” their beliefs or their faith or lack of either.

I believe discussion of these issues among us, leads to greater understanding for everyone. Therefore, being in a minority or not, matters not, IMO. Also, I disagree with your comment that you are demographically insignificantly the forum. You may feel insignificant but you are not @J.B Books IMO.

I understood your quote and would have understood even if I was not Catholic, I learned this in Southern Baptist Sunday school class as a child. It was not a prayer, but the words of JC to GOD the Father while he was dying on the cross. Was JC prayering to God? -nope, he was talking to his Father.

It is amazing that others, who claim to know the Bible, at times claim to be confused By the simplest things. I, apparently, frustrate many people in these discussions with my view points. I have frustrated you @J.B Books 😂. But nothing I say is personal or meant to be personal.

I have never understood why people “announce” they are leaving a thread as if Elvis has left the building. If I don’t have the patience or time or willingness to engage in a discussion on certain topics, then I don’t.

In any event, I now understand your position better, so thanks.
 
Lara said:
I'm thinking your post perhaps assumes one is going to live long enough to atone for all their wrongs (covid can take one in a matter of a few hours) and it assumes that the atonement for those wrongs is going to be a quick and sufficient fix....and it assumes there aren't as many wrongs committed as is possible. I believe we do wrongs multiple times everyday and there's no way we can pay the punishment all alone...not enough to be counted worthy to enter God's Kingdom.

Wrongs can be what we consider little but are wrongs none-the-less. Eating too much, too much money, too much of anything is gluttony and greed for instance...and that's one of the ten commandments. Having an unkind thought, selfishness, lack of self control...on and on. That's where Jesus stepped in, to atone for our wrongs for us.
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That is partly why I am leaning toward reincarnation..I agree there is not enough time in one life but with multiple lifetimes or maybe even multidimensional universes it could be.
Yes, multidimensional universes is also something I find intriguing. This is all so far removed from my Catholic upbringing but a result of years of reading many different sources.. :D
 
Aneeda72 said:
But it’s not what “we” human beings think, it’s what GOD thinks, not JC but God the Father, and we have no insight into his thoughts. He was not a GOD of love, but an angry God, a God of revenge, the God of the Old Testament.

A lot of people use God and JC interchangeably as if they are the same, they are not the same. God rules heaven. God demanded the sacrifice of his son (Christian belief of course) via the cross. It was God, I think, that threw down angles from heaven. It will be God the father, who judges, not JC IMO.
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I never thought the OT 'rang true' And I always thought Jesus came to clarify life is all about Love, not hate and revenge etc
It does get confusing. If one believes in the Trinity there is God, Son, and Holy Spirit and 3 in one. My nun used to light 3 matches to illustrate that bringing them together made one flame.
 
Keesha said:
I didn’t view this topic as religious. It just turned into a religious one.
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Keesha said:
Absolutely! I’ve literally read hundreds of books and listened to hundreds of tapes, videos, DVDs & podcasts on spirituality and when I actually practice what I’ve learned, my life goes smoothly and I’m blissfully in peace.

I’ve learned from the best spiritual teachers including Deepak Chopra, Byron Katie, Marianne Williamson, Elkhart Tolle, Wayne Dyer ( almost every book he wrote ) Jack Kornfield, Don Miguel Ruiz, Abraham Hicks, Neal Donald Walsh and others. The list is endless. When I read these types of books, life runs smoother and makes more sense. Life miraculously works.

When I get off track, I get stuck in negative patterns of behaviour that does not serve myself or others and instantly self sabotage.

Oddly enough a few months back my husband and I came to a roadblock where we decided to make some huge changes. We didn’t really have an exact plan. We just told the universe/God energy what we wanted , stood back and trusted that it would work. Coincidences kept happening to us where everything snapped together in synchronized perfection. There’s no way we did all that all on our own. It isn’t something I can not explain but it’s miraculous when we believe in it.


I completely agree. It meets you where you are so is timeless in its teachings. I just find it a confusing read and probably always will.
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Ohhhh I couldn't agree more with you!! Thanks 🙂
 

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