Do you believe the US has truly dealt with Racism?

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I believe the US has never truly dealt with Racism. Jim Crow & Segregation laws kept Racism alive in the South, but it was just as prevalent in the North, as forced busing gave us a window into racism's Northern depth. Today the "broken windows" policing (The concept of 'over policing', where anyone can be stopped for any reason as a way to halt serous crime. Strangely , this only occurs in Black communities, because that's "where the crime is". That policy is destroying Black communities. Some point to the destruction of Black families as proof of Black inferiority. Isn't this racism given a new life as crime prevention? Do you think we, as a Nation, have truly dealt with racism?
 

fuzzybuddy said:
I believe the US has never truly dealt with Racism. Jim Crow & Segregation laws kept Racism alive in the South, but it was just as prevalent in the North, as forced busing gave us a window into racism's Northern depth. Today the "broken windows" policing (The concept of 'over policing', where anyone can be stopped for any reason as a way to halt serous crime. Strangely , this only occurs in Black communities, because that's "where the crime is". That policy is destroying Black communities. Some point to the destruction of Black families as proof of Black inferiority. Isn't this racism given a new life as crime prevention? Do you think we, as a Nation, have truly dealt with racism?
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The only thing destroying black communities , are the black folks within that community. No matter who may or may not [like] them. No one coerce's them into committing crime at the rate they do, and or shooting & killing each other at the rate they do as well. Statistics show that the single largest cause of death for a black male ages 14-35 is homicide . Within their own numbers.....how is that anyone else's fault ?

Add to that , the "snitches get stitches"...attitude sue as hell doesn't help.

No matter the feeling about them in the White community, the Asian community, the Hispanic community. Shooting each other is their own doing , no one else's period.
 

applecruncher said:
No, and here is a recent thread - 329 posts:

Race/Racism discussion

https://www.seniorforums.com/showthread.php/32415-Race-Racism-discussion
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OK, You state you are black, I am white.....Lets see if we can do this with a civil tongue. I'll give it my best, if you will?

First, [if you will] tell me just what you think racism is ? And please don't post some link to a long winded web site. I would really like to read your words on the subject.

Second, just how can it be dealt with ? maybe I am truly missing something ?

BTW...if real names are allowed here?...My name is Ron...Pleased to meet you.
 
rgp said:
OK, You state you are black, I am white.....Lets see if we can do this with a civil tongue. I'll give it my best, if you will?

First, [if you will] tell me just what you think racism is ? And please don't post some link to a long winded web site. I would really like to read your words on the subject.

Second, just how can it be dealt with ? maybe I am truly missing something ?

BTW...if real names are allowed here?...My name is Ron...Pleased to meet you.
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The answers to your questions in "my" words are clearly stated in the thread I referenced. If it's too long for you to read, then I don't know what to tell you. Yeah, from what I've read in many of your posts you are missing something. :)
(btw there are other black members, other ethnicities, and also people in interracial marriages on this forum.)
 
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Whites just wish to live in safe neighborhoods; that means neighborhoods where there are no blacks or Mexicans. The facts are that blacks have a violent crime rate 8.5x that of whites. Mexicans have a crime rate higher than whites but below blacks. Everyone knows this. "fuzzybuddy" calls it racism. Honest people call it truth.

Violent crime rates aren't any different in an American black population from the rates in any black population in the world. Look at crime rates in any country in Africa. Look at crime rates among blacks in any country in Europe. Don't bother looking at Asia. They don't wish to have any but their own race surrounding them.

You may hate me for saying this, but I don't care; I've observed it my entire life. I lived in a pleasant middle class neighborhood on the South Side of Chicago when I was a boy. The neighborhood doesn't look much different today, but I couldn't walk down a street there in broad daylight. You all know why, regardless of your race, regardless of where you live.
 
Of course the US has dealt with racism and has taken steps to insure that it continues. "Affirmative Action" would be a classic example. It is too profitable to be allowed to end. Who profits? Politicians of all colors in particular. Is it working? Just read this thread and any others regarding race in America and then you decide. Of course, it is a very busy two way street.
 
Big Horn said:
Whites just wish to live in safe neighborhoods; that means neighborhoods where there are no blacks or Mexicans. The facts are that blacks have a violent crime rate 8.5x that of whites. Mexicans have a crime rate higher than whites but below blacks. Everyone knows this. "fuzzybuddy" calls it racism. Honest people call it truth.

Violent crime rates aren't any different in an American black population from the rates in any black population in the world. Look at crime rates in any country in Africa. Look at crime rates among blacks in any country in Europe. Don't bother looking at Asia. They don't wish to have any but their own race surrounding them.

You may hate me for saying this, but I don't care; I've observed it my entire life. I lived in a pleasant middle class neighborhood on the South Side of Chicago when I was a boy. The neighborhood doesn't look much different today, but I couldn't walk down a street there in broad daylight. You all know why, regardless of your race, regardless of where you live.
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Exactly !
 
Hoot N Annie said:
Of course the US has dealt with racism and has taken steps to insure that it continues. "Affirmative Action" would be a classic example. It is too profitable to be allowed to end. Who profits? Politicians of all colors in particular. Is it working? Just read this thread and any others regarding race in America and then you decide. Of course, it is a very busy two way street.
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Agreed.
 
It's called "broken windows". It's a policing theory. If you often stop and frisk people without any reason, this is the way to stop violent crime. Police can stop anybody, who looks suspicious. Of course, "suspicious" is in the eye of the police. And "resisting arrest" is also in the eye of the police. The idea is to over police, and thus eliminate crime. If you are a 14 year old Black male, you go to a "third world" school, and you could start having a record of "suspicious behavior and resisting arrest" for really no reason. So when he turns 18 and has a "long rap sheet", are you going to hire him? How do you think he's going to make a living? And how do you think he's going to view the police? We've got more crime, so we have to over police even harder.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
It's called "broken windows". It's a policing theory. If you often stop and frisk people without any reason, this is the way to stop violent crime. Police can stop anybody, who looks suspicious. Of course, "suspicious" is in the eye of the police. And "resisting arrest" is also in the eye of the police. The idea is to over police, and thus eliminate crime. If you are a 14 year old Black male, you go to a "third world" school, and you could start having a record of "suspicious behavior and resisting arrest" for really no reason. So when he turns 18 and has a "long rap sheet", are you going to hire him? How do you think he's going to make a living? And how do you think he's going to view the police? We've got more crime, so we have to over police even harder.
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What's your solution?
 
Racism - or a reasonable facsimile of it has existed as long as the human race. Here in the U.S. it had existed in the closet for several decades. It's had a violent resurgence it lately. Racism most likely begins in the cradle as parents pass their hateful ideology on to their offspring. Racism is basically ignorant and stupid - not to mention a great waste of human resources. I suspect that if blacks were given the same freedom of movement and choices as those of us enjoying "white privilege", there would be much less violence in black communities. Most whites are completely ignorant or in complete denial of the differences in opportunity for young blacks - of either gender.
 
I'm saddened that we seem to be losing the progress made in the 20th century towards achieving racial equality. Watching the violence in Charlottesville this past summer was scary. I didn't think anyone still hated Jews after World War II but this is wrong and has nothing to do with crime rate statistics or skin color. It's ignorance and the hatred that stems from it.
 
^^ Make no mistake - the Neanderthals who think all blacks live in the same neighborhood and that their only reason for getting up in the morning is to shoot each other - they also hate Jews.
 
I suspect that by somebody's definition, most everyone is a racist to some extent. I live in a diverse neighborhood and talk to people representing many different ethnic/races (a dozen or more) and if the people they make (mostly innocent) comments about in specific situations heard them, they might think they are racists comments directed towards them because of how sensitive "racism" has become; or they might just laugh about them... who knows with some of this stuff and how sensitive some folks are. I'm no different. We do try to censor who and when we say these things and that seems to work so it is basically "no harm, no foul" but we at times try to generalize other races as having general characteristics at times that are not particularly flattering and/or fair and/or appropriate.
 
applecruncher said:
^^ Make no mistake - the Neanderthals who think all blacks live in the same neighborhood and that their only reason for getting up in the morning is to shoot each other - they also hate Jews.
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I've had my DNA tested and I am proud to say I am 2.7% Neanderthal. I find your comment about my heritage deeply offensive and very troubling. Please do not stereotype my people.
 
Hoot N Annie said:
I've had my DNA tested and I am proud to say I am 2.7% Neanderthal. I find your comment about my heritage deeply offensive and very troubling. Please do not stereotype my people.
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It's a fact that Neanderthal people mated with modern people. Once the genome was found there have many tests done and most people with Neanderthal DNA have been found in southern Europe, especially Italy. They were humans or there would not have been issue from those unions. They didn't die out completely but were assimilated. They weren't stupid or backward; they also made fine tools.
 
dpwspringer said:
I suspect that by somebody's definition, most everyone is a racist to some extent. I live in a diverse neighborhood and talk to people representing many different ethnic/races (a dozen or more) and if the people they make (mostly innocent) comments about in specific situations heard them, they might think they are racists comments directed towards them because of how sensitive "racism" has become; or they might just laugh about them... who knows with some of this stuff and how sensitive some folks are. I'm no different. We do try to censor who and when we say these things and that seems to work so it is basically "no harm, no foul" but we at times try to generalize other races as having general characteristics at times that are not particularly flattering and/or fair and/or appropriate.
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There is *some* truth to this. On Family Feud I've heard Steve Harvey say things like "That's a hood answer". But I'm not sure he could get away with saying "That's a white trash/hillbilly answer. (He also gets away with a lot of sexual innuendo, but that's another discussion.)
 
Hoot N Annie said:
I don't see the humor is being a racist bigot, but if it makes you proud......
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:rolleyes:

Do you really think you're going to pull me into a silly debate with such a lame personal attack? :laugh: You're mistaken. And I really don't care what you think of me, not even a little bit.
 
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Solution? How in the hell do I know. I don't have any idea. I'm not that intelligent. Everyday we are creating future criminals with the "broken windows" policy. By giving Black kids "records", and putting them into the Juvenile Justice system , crime school; we are insuring that crime stays in the Black community. Because of their "records" all legitimate job opportunities are denied to them, crime is the only avenue they have to earn a living. Since you are growing your own criminals, "that's where the crime is". And you don't think it's racist to say that only Blacks commit crime.
 

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