Do You Know Anyone Breaking The Covid Rules?

[Lee]

Unfortunately I know several, one being the biggest loudmouth when it comes to enlightening others. Yet she is having a nephew for the holidays because she does not want him to be alone.

Another is the lady down the street with her squeeze of the month cozily shacked up till she gives him the heave ho.

And saving the best for last is my cousin who declares this is all just the bigwig world leaders who got together and faked this pandemic and it's really just the flu. Speechless, I asked her what would be the purpose of that....her reply was that it was to bring those with wealthy portfolios down. And then she hinted for an invite for turkey dinner....not gonna happen.

So who do you know?

 

[win231]

Depends on what you consider "Breaking the rules."
If leaving your house for any reason to go anywhere since January is breaking the rules, everyone I know is - including me.
And I haven't noticed any reduction in traffic on streets & freeways. In fact, the traffic is heavier now.

 

[Damaged Goods]

I'm essentially a recluse and so have a limited view, but at the grocery store and church, everyone is masked regardless of whether they agree with the rule. The 6-ft. rule is fairly strictly obeyed but not as much as the mask.

Dr. and dentist office is very strict. They take temperature and the Md. office gives patients a face diaper, not trusting the one that the patient wears.

Brother and wife who spend cold weather in another State visited me unmasked this week. The rules in their State are more relaxed but when they come up here for the warm months, they obey the diaper rules without complaint. It didn't bother me that they visited unmasked, incidentally.

 

[Lee]

Depends on what you consider "Breaking the rules."
If leaving your house for any reason to go anywhere since January is breaking the rules, just about everyone I know is - including me.

Breaking the rules as far as staying in your bubble.

Just saw where the press is knocking Prince William and family who joined up with Prince Edward and family for a walk, so 9 of them instead of the allowed 6....so I guess it depends on whether you are a prince or a pauper

 

[Kaila]

Nearly %100 of neighbors in entire apartment building are ignoring ALL of them, ALL the time.

Regardless of signs having been posted on all the doors, and notices sent, and we all know that many older residents as well as young people with health problems live here, and there are skyrocketing deaths and hospitalizations in our area.

 

[win231]

I'm essentially a recluse and so have a limited view, but at the grocery store and church, everyone is masked regardless of whether they agree with the rule. The 6-ft. rule is fairly strictly obeyed but not as much as the mask.

Dr. and dentist office is very strict. They take temperature and the Md. office gives patients a face diaper, not trusting the one that the patient wears.

Brother and wife who spend cold weather in another State visited me unmasked this week. The rules in their State are more relaxed but when they come up here for the warm months, they obey the diaper rules without complaint. It didn't bother me that they visited unmasked, incidentally.

Whoever dreamed up that 6-ft rule lives in a world of their own making. It is often impossible to stay 6 ft away from everyone in every situation. And coughs & sneezes travel more like 30 feet & more (if that's the reason). I've never seen a barber, dentist, doctor, cashier, etc. stay 6 ft from their patients or customers. My plumbers, home repair people & contractors can't show me what needs to be done or have me sign their invoice from 6 feet away. It's even impossible in a market. You may be able to stand in line 6 feet apart, but grocery aisles are too narrow to be more than 1-3 feet apart. And if someone has a quiet voice & they want to communicate with me or most older people, they have trouble hearing from 6 inches away, let alone 6 feet.

 

[Damaged Goods]

Whoever dreamed up that 6-ft rule lives in a world of their own making. It is often impossible to stay 6 ft away from everyone in every situation. And coughs & sneezes travel more like 30 feet & more (if that's the reason). I've never seen a barber, dentist, doctor, cashier, etc. stay 6 ft from their patients or customers. My plumbers, home repair people & contractors can't show me what needs to be done or have me sign their invoice from 6 feet away. It's even impossible in a market. You may be able to stand in line 6 feet apart, but grocery aisles are too narrow to be more than 1-3 feet apart. And if someone has a quiet voice & they want to communicate with me or most older people, they have trouble hearing from 6 inches away, let alone 6 feet.

And at church, the ushers are standing around in a close circle, laughing, talking, just like it was 2019. They're elderly and thus susceptible but apparently don't really care, or else don't buy into the social-distancing rule. Parishioners whisper to each other and so as not to disturb others are up in each other's faces.

 

[Kathleen’s Place]

I have VERY occasionally been a guilty one. I live in a small town, numbers are very low, so we have eaten in a small, uncrowded diner a few times. We also went to an out of state outdoor wedding. Other than that we are compliant with the masks and distancing wherever else we go...store etc

 

[grahamg]

Breaking rules some would say "is what they're there for", and a good question might be " do you know anyone who isn't breaking the rules"?

I'm being facetious, and I know I shouldn't be, BUT here again is the professor Phillip Thomas argument from Bristol University in the UK, who advises our government. He says what is achieved by lockdowns runs up against something called the "J" factor or rate. You'll be familiar with the "R" rate, the number of people, on average, each infected individual passes the bug on to.

The "J" rate covers all the unintended consequences of lockdowns, !ike undiagnosed conditions such as cancer, or heart disease because people are a afraid to go near their doctors, or screening programmes are interrupted, then increased depression/suicides, and the almost intangible loss of quality of life for those in care homes denied the chance to meet loved ones.

Now it is foolish to say covid is just flu, or its all invented, BUT (again), we should bear in mind d our UK governments top advisors in 2016 said a pandemic such as this one could not be stopped ultimately. That is far from saying "nothing should be done to reduce infection rates, (professor Thomas advises stop lockdowns at Christmas), and my instinct is he's probably right, our institutions including the NHS won't be there for everyone in future if there is an insufficient!y strong economy left to support it.

My last word is this, all the people on this planet with any sense at all should have some idea how to limit the chances they might catch " normal flu" or reduce the chances they'll catch a common cold, don't they/we! Let's demystify this covid 19, whilst acknowledging it is far more serious, but if we can do sensible things to help ourselves we'll help others won't we. My lack of contact with my own daughter, due to completely unconnected reasons, means I'm cut off from one potential, possibly high risk individual, (given her job/profession is medicine), then being cut off from her two boys, means my chances of picking up whatever they come into contact with in creches etc. I'm cut off from. I mention all this because I think I can rightly assert my lifestyle, outside doing farming jobs, and with limited social interactions, and those I have are mostly outside, all this in my view makes my risk factors lower than others.

Have I broken the rules you ask, and the answer is I don't deliberately do so, but one way or another I'm sure if someone followed me around 24/7 they'd find things that could be criticised.

 

[chic]

Yes.

 

[win231]

And at church, the ushers are standing around in a close circle, laughing, talking, just like it was 2019. They're elderly and thus susceptible but apparently don't really care, or else don't buy into the social-distancing rule. Parishioners whisper to each other and so as not to disturb others are up in each other's faces.

Well, yes. Even better examples. When I first heard that 6-ft nonsense, the first thing I thought was, "That's impossible in most situations. Are the dolts in office who are suggesting it going to stay 6 feet away from their families when they get home from work? Including their wives? Separate beds?"
"Honey, don't touch me.....remember that 6 ft. rule."

 

[Murrmurr]

Breaking rules some would say "is what they're there for", and a good question might be " do you know anyone who isn't breaking the rules"?

I'm being facetious, and I know I shouldn't be, BUT here again is the professor Phillip Thomas argument from Bristol University in the UK, who advises our government. He says what is achieved by lockdowns runs up against something called the "J" factor or rate. You'll be familiar with the "R" rate, the number of people, on average, each infected individual passes the bug on to.

The "J" rate covers all the unintended consequences of lockdowns, !ike undiagnosed conditions such as cancer, or heart disease because people are a afraid to go near their doctors, or screening programmes are interrupted, then increased depression/suicides, and the almost intangible loss of quality of life for those in care homes denied the chance to meet loved ones.

Now it is foolish to say covid is just flu, or its all invented, BUT (again), we should bear in mind d our UK governments top advisors in 2016 said a pandemic such as this one could not be stopped ultimately. That is far from saying "nothing should be done to reduce infection rates, (professor Thomas advises stop lockdowns at Christmas), and my instinct is he's probably right, our institutions including the NHS won't be there for everyone in future if there is an insufficient!y strong economy left to support it.

My last word is this, all the people on this planet with any sense at all should have some idea how to limit the chances they might catch " normal flu" or reduce the chances they'll catch a common cold, don't they/we! Let's demystify this covid 19, whilst acknowledging it is far more serious, but if we can do sensible things to help ourselves we'll help others won't we. My lack of contact with my own daughter, due to completely unconnected reasons, means I'm cut off from one potential, possibly high risk individual, (given her job/profession is medicine), then being cut off from her two boys, means my chances of picking up whatever they come into contact with in creches etc. I'm cut off from. I mention all this because I think I can rightly assert my lifestyle, outside doing farming jobs, and with limited social interactions, and those I have are mostly outside, all this in my view makes my risk factors lower than others.

Have I broken the rules you ask, and the answer is I don't deliberately do so, but one way or another I'm sure if someone followed me around 24/7 they'd find things that could be criticised.

Perfect!!

 

[Nathan]

Do You Know Anyone Breaking The Covid Rules?

One of my business partners, as a badge of her wackadoodle conspiracy 'beliefs' does not wear her mask properly(you know the type, nose exposed). <shakes-my-head>

 

[Judycat]

I keep seeing more people walking around with their masks below their noses. May as well not wear one then.

 

[Murrmurr]

I live in these beautiful well-maintained apartments behind a big ol' cement wall in the middle of the 2nd worst area for crime in all of Sac, and it ranks #1 area for homeless population. Homeless people walk the streets night and day, gather at the liquor stores, smoke shops and gas stations asking for change and doing what they do. Some things they *don't* do is use an indoor bathroom, sleep inside, wash regularly, and watch the news on TV. They'll wear a mask if someone gives them one and some will wear it until it's filthy. They'll push right up against you in line while you wait to pay for your gas, but they don't even know the rules. One of them said Hey, brother, do you know what that blue tape on the floor is all about? Because he didn't know. And it might've been explained to that guy a number of times and he forgot because maybe he was drunk or on drugs at the time, or he's mentally ill or it didn't make sense in his world, or he forgot because all he's thinking about is surviving till the next day. Pandemic or no, their reality hasn't changed.

 

[win231]

I keep seeing more people walking around with their masks below their noses. May as well not wear one then.

My favorite: The mask hanging with one loop over one ear.

 

[Murrmurr]

And don't even get me started on their makeshift "tent cities" they themselves threw together - closely clustered plastic covered boxes, donated tents, blanket tents, all crammed together so the people can stay warm when it dips down to 36 degrees at night. There's 5 massive ones within 5 miles of my apartment.

I can say I know hundreds of people who aren't following the rules.

 

[hollydolly]

Yes neighbours either side of me break the Pandemic rules constantly, by having visitors to their homes.. both extended family and friends.. . it makes me spitting mad tbh

 

[Lee]

I admit that I stopped at the vet today to pick up cat food. They bring it outside, we were both masked but certainly not six feet apart. My arm is not six feet long to reach the mobile debit machine.

 

[hollydolly]

I have VERY occasionally been a guilty one. I live in a small town, numbers are very low, so we have eaten in a small, uncrowded diner a few times. We also went to an out of state outdoor wedding. Other than that we are compliant with the masks and distancing wherever else we go...store etc

...but if that's not against the rules, then you're not doing anything wrong. We had the lockdown lifted on the 2nd of Dcember for 2 weeks .. so pubs and restaurants were able to open again after having been closed all of November . and for 3 months previous to that...

We were all permitted to use the hospitality industry as long as we as customers and they as providers followed the rules.

Masks worn by customers at all times unless actually eating or drinking... tables set at least 6 feet apart, no more than 6 people at a table... track & trace on every customer .. all waiting staff and bar staff to wear masks.. any customer leaving a table for any reason at all had to mask up. menus all disposable and to be thrown away after each use.. ...

..so we went to the pub and had lunch and followed all the rules. ..mostly we sat outside well away from anyone else..(except for a few days ago for Christmas lunch where we ate indoors due to it being so cold, but still far from anyone else......it didn't stop the govt closing us down again after just 2 weeks.

You can see in the picture how far we were seated from the next occupied table, about 12 feet....

...and at the other end of the pub behind us....

 

[win231]

I admit that I stopped at the vet today to pick up cat food. They bring it outside, we were both masked but certainly not six feet apart. My arm is not six feet long to reach the mobile debit machine.

The nerve! How dare you! You're a raging epidemic!

 

[Sunny]

The problem with most people is that no one is really clear as to what the "rules" are. Lots of the advice we get is so vague and nondescriptive that they might as well be saying nothing at all. Examples:

1. "Wear a mask." OK, that's clear in some circumstances. When indoors with other people, of course. That part is easy. When in a medical facility, the barber or hairdresser, sure. Kids in those schools that are still open, definitely. But...

What about when you are going for a walk outside, with no one else around? The mask is below your nose? So what? I wear a mask when going out, I'm required to while in the public areas of my building, such as the elevators or lobby. But what about when I get outside, all by myself, with no other people around? Why not put the mask down below my nose (or chin) in that case?

What if you are walking alone outside, but other people do appear? How close do they have to get before you are supposed to put the mask back up?

What about when meeting with a very small group, say up to 4 people total, for an indoor visit? And you are served food? It is possible, I suppose, to eat while leaving the mask on, but would you want to?

2. Stay home as much as possible. OK, but awfully general.

Win, what is your source for suggesting that anyone has said that leaving your house for any reason is breaking the rules? I have never seen or heard of such a rule. If it was, the rules about mask wearing would be meaningless. Stores could not legally be open, not even grocery stores.

What we need is more clarification about what my English teacher used to call "glittering generalities." Starting with: What is a "rule?" To me, a lot of them sound more like suggestions than actual rules. But having a wedding for 500 guests is clearly violating something. (And BTW, do those same numbers about crowd size apply to outdoor activities as well? Well, at least it's winter now, in this part of the world.) And the mask rules in stores are really rules, I suppose. Has anyone actually been forced by security to leave because they refuse to put a mask on? I don't know.

And so it goes. There is so much confusion, so many varying definitions about all of it, that no one is really clear about what to do, at least not in this country. Maybe the rules are made clearer elsewhere.

 

[hollydolly]

@Sunny, that one is easy for us. There is no rules in this country for wearing a mask outside...only indoors wherever that might be, whether a store, or an indoor lobby in a public building, but no necessity for masks outdoors..

 

[win231]

...but if that's not against the rules, then you're not doing anything wrong. We had the lockdown lifted on the 2nd of Dcember for 2 weeks .. so pubs and restaurants were able to open again after having been closed all of November . and for 3 months previous to that...

We were all permitted to use the hospitality industry as long as we as customers and they as providers followed the rules.

Masks worn by customers at all times unless actually eating or drinking... tables set at least 6 feet apart, no more than 6 people at a table... track & trace on every customer .. all waiting staff and bar staff to wear masks.. any customer leaving a table for any reason at all had to mask up. menus all disposable and to be thrown away after each use.. ...

..so we went to the pub and had lunch and followed all the rules. ..mostly we sat outside well away from anyone else..(except for a few days ago for Christmas lunch where we ate indoors due to it being so cold, but still far from anyone else......it didn't stop the govt closing us down again after just 2 weeks.

You can see in the picture how far we were seated from the next occupied table, about 12 feet....

...and at the other end of the pub behind us....

That's why so many are laughing at the "rules." Of course, no one can eat or drink with a mask on. So....we're expected to believe that a virus is considerate enough to understand that & won't infect us while we're eating?

 

[win231]

The problem with most people is that no one is really clear as to what the "rules" are. Lots of the advice we get is so vague and nondescriptive that they might as well be saying nothing at all. Examples:

1. "Wear a mask." OK, that's clear in some circumstances. When indoors with other people, of course. That part is easy. When in a medical facility, the barber or hairdresser, sure. Kids in those schools that are still open, definitely. But...

What about when you are going for a walk outside, with no one else around? The mask is below your nose? So what? I wear a mask when going out, I'm required to while in the public areas of my building, such as the elevators or lobby. But what about when I get outside, all by myself, with no other people around? Why not put the mask down below my nose (or chin) in that case?

What if you are walking alone outside, but other people do appear? How close do they have to get before you are supposed to put the mask back up?

What about when meeting with a very small group, say up to 4 people total, for an indoor visit? And you are served food? It is possible, I suppose, to eat while leaving the mask on, but would you want to?

2. Stay home as much as possible. OK, but awfully general.

Win, what is your source for suggesting that anyone has said that leaving your house for any reason is breaking the rules? I have never seen or heard of such a rule. If it was, the rules about mask wearing would be meaningless. Stores could not legally be open, not even grocery stores.

What we need is more clarification about what my English teacher used to call "glittering generalities." Starting with: What is a "rule?" To me, a lot of them sound more like suggestions than actual rules. But having a wedding for 500 guests is clearly violating something. (And BTW, do those same numbers about crowd size apply to outdoor activities as well? Well, at least it's winter now, in this part of the world.) And the mask rules in stores are really rules, I suppose. Has anyone actually been forced by security to leave because they refuse to put a mask on? I don't know.

And so it goes. There is so much confusion, so many varying definitions about all of it, that no one is really clear about what to do, at least not in this country. Maybe the rules are made clearer elsewhere.

It may not be a rule where you are, but L.A.'s mayor said to stay home. Of course it's not an actual "Law," but it's ridiculous.