Do you know anyone your age who doesn't know how to use a computer

My oldest friend is 6 months my senior and won't use a computer - she won't answer her phone either. Drives her daughter nuts. Daughter installed cameras in every room except the bathroom so she could keep track of her...she had fallen more than once and wound up in rehab. It is what it is and its sad.
Your story demonstrates that actions have consequences and that eschewing technology means you get left behind. It's as simple as that.

While I've avoided getting a smart watch, I'm now looking into them because of the kind of thing that happened to your friend. I don't want one of those "help I've fallen and I can't get up" pendants, but recognize that I'm moving toward the age where broken hips happen. My husband is usually around, but we're tethered to each other. Sometimes one of us is out of the house for several hours at a stretch - far too long to be alone while in great need of medical attention but unable to get to a phone.

Having a smart watch means being able to summon help without a moment's notice.
 

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I know how to do “old school” work-arounds like taking a screenshot and then writing to a pdf. I have Word 2000 but know how to open and print newer Word files if needed. Generally, the answer to any question can be found with a search since thousands of others have already asked the question and there are plenty sharing their knowledge.

I was shackled to a computer for decades on my job. These days I mostly use my iPad, which is more or less a smart phone without the phone.
funnily enough...my Ipad sits week in week out without me even touching it.. I use my Desktop Mac... ( only 2 years old).. and my Iphone all the time.. ..even my laptop sits not unloved but unused 99 % of the time.

The Ipad and the laptop was only ever used to take to our second home .. and or holidays abroad.. but since the onset of Covid ( almost 3 years now)... I've not been on holiday...
 
My friend is three years older than I am but he prefers never to use most technology. Everybody's different.
 

Two of my brothers are digital illiterates though are able to use a simple cellphone. Several websites put numbers for the USA at a bit below 20% of adults. As a kid that went to suburban Caucasian schools mostly in California, when I went into the USAF during the Viet Nam War era, I was amazed at how ignorant significant numbers of other young men from across the nation were in all ways. And many of them were HS graduates showing how little that meant since schools in many areas no longer force repeating grades given PC attitudes. Approximately 32 million adults in America that are considered to be reading illiterates; about 14% of the entire adult population cannot read much less use a computer. If put to a vote, I would cast my ballot to disqualify reading illiterates from voting in elections. Instead they are targets for all manner of manipulative media.

Large numbers of people cannot make sense of simple instructions for using common home appliances and instead must be shown what to do by others. Most of that is not just being unable but rather a pervasive attitude of equating reading any instructions as adverse as going to the dentist. IMO a pathetic criticism of our society.

https://www.air.org/resource/brief/description-us-adults-who-are-not-digitally-literate

Adults who are not digitally literate are, on average, less educated, older, and more likely to be Black, Hispanic, or foreign born, compared to digitally literate adults. Compared to digitally literate adults, adults who are not digitally literate have a lower rate of labor force participation and tend to work in lower skilled jobs. About 16 percent of U.S. adults are not digitally literate, compared to 23 percent of adults internationally. 74 percent of U.S. adults use a computer at work, 3 percentage points higher than the international average, and 81 percent of U.S. adults use a computer in everyday life, 3 percentage points lower than the international average.

https://www.nngroup.com/articles/computer-skill-levels/


The researchers defined 4 levels of proficiency, based on the types of tasks users can complete successfully...
Can’t Use Computers = 26% of Adult Population. The numbers for the 4 skill levels don’t sum to 100% because a large proportion of the respondents never attempted the tasks, being unable to use computers. In total, across the US, 20% of adults were unable to use a computer.
 
Your story demonstrates that actions have consequences and that eschewing technology means you get left behind. It's as simple as that.

While I've avoided getting a smart watch, I'm now looking into them because of the kind of thing that happened to your friend. I don't want one of those "help I've fallen and I can't get up" pendants, but recognize that I'm moving toward the age where broken hips happen. My husband is usually around, but we're tethered to each other. Sometimes one of us is out of the house for several hours at a stretch - far too long to be alone while in great need of medical attention but unable to get to a phone.

Having a smart watch means being able to summon help without a moment's notice.
Yes, once her daughter came to see her and she'd fallen about 12 hours before and was just laying there - back to rehab again. She won't wear a Medi Alert pendant either.
 
My day job involves helping customers use self check-out machines. The only folks who balk and claim they don't have any idea of how to use these machines are older. I'd guess from early 60s and up. I suspect it's more a matter of they really want a human cashier to do the work for them. There's no discount doing the work themselves.
 
Will add a bit more about how the habit of an unwillingness to read instructions is particularly bad for those trying to use computers. As noted in my previous post, large numbers of people over years have developed attitudes of not reading instructions for digital electronic devices whether that be paper user manuals or online display instructions or Help links. Thus the person that has a tv remote control with a couple dozen buttons that from the beginning by trial and error only knows the power on/off, channel selection, volume +-, and possibly mute buttons. Same person uses their VCR or microwave oven, or portable music player likewise. And when they do bother to read instructions say if they become frustrated not being able to perform some operation, they don't do so in an intelligent way and instead skim through the manual without looking at Contents or Index. Worse, when they find the correct page, their general impatience results in just noticing a few key terms and then assuming what the actual text is probably relating, they jump right into some action that is prone to be less than correct.

As a tech, I worked several decades at a list of companies in Silicon Valley hardware electronic engineering. One of the jobs I frequently ended performing was technical writing instructions for others, both other techs, and engineers and manufacturing process docs, as well as end user product documentation, correcting what engineers wrote, and training others. I also early in my career worked 3 years as a general test equipment repair and calibration tech for a large old corporation that had a huge list of equipment from A to Z that required careful reading of complex information. I also occasionally worked in customer service helping others over the phone often with people that that had answers to their questions had they bothered to read manuals.

With computer hardware and software, especially complex software, the habit and attitude of avoiding reading instructions has a much worse consequence versus your tv remote. Once the complexity of a task is beyond what our brains have in working memory, it is difficult to absorb whatever by either someone verbally explaining what to do or watching someone do something, or watching a non-pausing video. With complex programs like Microsoft Word, Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Excel, and a long list of other common workplace productivity applications, unless a such a person changes and learns to read manuals, they will remain at a hopelessly primitive level. It is a significant factor in what separated those like this person from many others in tech work regardless of what college degrees they might have. In like manner it will also inhibit an average person from being able to rise from simplest levels of use of digital appliances. In most cases, it is not that people cannot read and understand manuals or instructions but rather they have the wrong attitude.
 
Those of us who did not grow up using a computer can find it frustrating. I can do many tasks but still, I am frustrated there is so much I feel I do not know and have to ask for help. I don't like asking for help so I try to use u-tube or google and ask questions of how do certain things on my i-phone or computer..that has helped me a lot.
 
Those of us who did not grow up using a computer can find it frustrating. I can do many tasks but still, I am frustrated there is so much I feel I do not know and have to ask for help. I don't like asking for help so I try to use u-tube or google and ask questions of how do certain things on my i-phone or computer..that has helped me a lot.
Most of us over 50 didn't grow up using a computer, never even knew they existed much less learn on one when we were young.

Conversely my daughter who is 46, learned in senior school in the late 80's early 90's...

So all of us over 50's who didn't work with computers had to teach ourselves..
 
Most of us over 50 didn't grow up using a computer, never even knew they existed much less learn on one when we were young.

Conversely my daughter who is 46, learned in senior school in the late 80's early 90's...

So all of us over 50's who didn't work with computers had to teach ourselves..
Give us superannuated oldsters some credit. I'm well over 50 (well), and my interest in computers dates back to the earliest PCs. Before the advent of Windows I was a Novell CNE, built file servers, and installed networks. My own PC, the HP I am typing on at the moment is the first I didn't assemble myself.
 
I was introduced to the Apple II Computer back around 1985 when I started a new job.

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My son had a Commodore 64 at home as a teenager, early 80's I'm guessing.
 
My experience with computers began in 1987 when my wife of the time suggested I’d find a computer more useful overall than a dedicated word processor which I contemplated purchasing to write the next great English Novel. First computer was an Atari ST, the poor man’s Apple/Mac.
 
Will add a bit more about how the habit of an unwillingness to read instructions is particularly bad for those trying to use computers. As noted in my previous post, large numbers of people over years have developed attitudes of not reading instructions for digital electronic devices whether that be paper user manuals or online display instructions or Help links. Thus the person that has a tv remote control with a couple dozen buttons that from the beginning by trial and error only knows the power on/off, channel selection, volume +-, and possibly mute buttons. Same person uses their VCR or microwave oven, or portable music player likewise. And when they do bother to read instructions say if they become frustrated not being able to perform some operation, they don't do so in an intelligent way and instead skim through the manual without looking at Contents or Index. Worse, when they find the correct page, their general impatience results in just noticing a few key terms and then assuming what the actual text is probably relating, they jump right into some action that is prone to be less than correct.

As a tech, I worked several decades at a list of companies in Silicon Valley hardware electronic engineering. One of the jobs I frequently ended performing was technical writing instructions for others, both other techs, and engineers and manufacturing process docs, as well as end user product documentation, correcting what engineers wrote, and training others. I also early in my career worked 3 years as a general test equipment repair and calibration tech for a large old corporation that had a huge list of equipment from A to Z that required careful reading of complex information. I also occasionally worked in customer service helping others over the phone often with people that that had answers to their questions had they bothered to read manuals.

With computer hardware and software, especially complex software, the habit and attitude of avoiding reading instructions has a much worse consequence versus your tv remote. Once the complexity of a task is beyond what our brains have in working memory, it is difficult to absorb whatever by either someone verbally explaining what to do or watching someone do something, or watching a non-pausing video. With complex programs like Microsoft Word, Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Excel, and a long list of other common workplace productivity applications, unless a such a person changes and learns to read manuals, they will remain at a hopelessly primitive level. It is a significant factor in what separated those like this person from many others in tech work regardless of what college degrees they might have. In like manner it will also inhibit an average person from being able to rise from simplest levels of use of digital appliances. In most cases, it is not that people cannot read and understand manuals or instructions but rather they have the wrong attitude.
I agree with much of what you've written, but to be fair, electronics manufacturers spent decades training lay people to NOT read manuals. For many years they were written with convoluted language (sometimes as direct translations from Japanese so they made no sense whatsoever to the reader), used insider industry language, were overly technical, and went into great detail about features that virtually nobody wanted or needed while skating over the basics.

Going back to the early 1970s, people needed help setting up their stereo systems. Why? Because they weren't user friendly in the least - and they absolutely could have been. Better labeling on the components, drawings, etc., would have made setting up stereo components a cinch. Instead "this reads like stereo instructions" became a widely used phrase to describe ridiculously complex texts that were nearly impossible for people to process or follow.

Instructions have improved considerably since then, but the lesson of "this is too complicated for non-techies to understand" has proved to be an enduring one. That's why people turn to YouTube if they can't easily figure it out from the manuals. Just yesterday I was trying to work the center back seatbelt in my car for a child's car seat.

Couldn't figure out how it worked though I was sitting in the back seat and had the manual in my lap. Eventually I gave up, looked it up on YouTube, found a car salesman in Toronto who said, "We get a lot of questions about how to work the center back seatbelt so I'm going to show you."

In less than a minute I learned from him what I'd spent 15 minutes trying to understand from the manual.
 
Most of us over 50 didn't grow up using a computer, never even knew they existed much less learn on one when we were young.

Conversely my daughter who is 46, learned in senior school in the late 80's early 90's...

So all of us over 50's who didn't work with computers had to teach ourselves..
I remember my introduction as an adult was a field trip where we were shown a fairly large room which was a computer contained one :D .
My daughter is 42 and was introduced to computers in 1st grade. She is my go-to source if I can't find answers on google or u-tube!
 
I was shackled to a computer for decades on my job. These days I mostly use my iPad, which is more or less a smart phone without the phone.
So was I. My iPad Pro with the Apple keyboard is what I use 99.9% of the time now.

Having a smart watch means being able to summon help without a moment's notice.
I can’t convince my husband to wear one and he really needs it , imo; he does carry his phone on his belt all the time.

When I’m in the basement and my phone rings, I answer on my watch. No rushing to a phone. For those who don’t like the look of the strap, you can buy a nicer wristband, not that it has anything to do with safety.
 
Most of us over 50 didn't grow up using a computer, never even knew they existed much less learn on one when we were young.

Conversely my daughter who is 46, learned in senior school in the late 80's early 90's...

So all of us over 50's who didn't work with computers had to teach ourselves..
That is probably why I don't learn anything related to computer science. Strange things happen when I try to do things like e-mail, so I don't bother, I just send a handwritten letter instead. Having learned Italic script at school, my handwriting is very distinctive, my letters are never ignored. More than once it's been said: "I've never received a handwritten letter before."

Had we had children, they would be of an age to give us young adult grandchildren, that, I surmise, is where many an older person turns to when the wretched thing won't work.
 
That is probably why I don't learn anything related to computer science. Strange things happen when I try to do things like e-mail, so I don't bother, I just send a handwritten letter instead. Having learned Italic script at school, my handwriting is very distinctive, my letters are never ignored. More than once it's been said: "I've never received a handwritten letter before."

Had we had children, they would be of an age to give us young adult grandchildren, that, I surmise, is where many an older person turns to when the wretched thing won't work.
Unfortunately, I don't have grandchildren either.. so I have to work things out for myself most of the time, when things go wrong electronically
 
Your story demonstrates that actions have consequences and that eschewing technology means you get left behind. It's as simple as that.
You make it sound like some people are being punished for their sins, and they deserve it!

I remember in the 1980's a general feeling going around that if one quit smoking, worked out three times a week, and ate low fat they would never have to die. One of my coworkers was shocked when our pregnant manager endured a difficult birth because, "She always ate healthy food!"

Now there seems to be a feeling that we won't ever have to die so long as we have the means to call a relative.
My father was with my mother when she had her sudden stroke, carried her to his car and drove her to the clinic five minutes away. She still went into a coma and died a week later -- surrounded by beeping technology.

I feel so sorry for the woman whose daughter has put cameras throughout her house. If I lived alone I might get a pendant that would call 911 for me, but I wouldn't feel a bit safer knowing a relative was watching me all the time.
 
You make it sound like some people are being punished for their sins, and they deserve it!

I remember in the 1980's a general feeling going around that if one quit smoking, worked out three times a week, and ate low fat they would never have to die. One of my coworkers was shocked when our pregnant manager endured a difficult birth because, "She always ate healthy food!"

Now there seems to be a feeling that we won't ever have to die so long as we have the means to call a relative.
My father was with my mother when she had her sudden stroke, carried her to his car and drove her to the clinic five minutes away. She still went into a coma and died a week later -- surrounded by beeping technology.

I feel so sorry for the woman whose daughter has put cameras throughout her house. If I lived alone I might get a pendant that would call 911 for me, but I wouldn't feel a bit safer knowing a relative was watching me all the time.
Not at all. What I'm saying is if you don't move forward you get left behind. Deliberately choosing to shun technology (as the woman in Liberty's story does), has a price.

I didn't care much for texting when it first became popular, but my children and friends swiftly embraced it. I had a choice - hold onto my "I don't like texting" position and be out of the conversation, or start texting and remain a frequent, relevant presence in their lives.

That's what I meant by "actions have consequences and eschewing technology means you get left behind. It's as simple as that. "
 
Thanks @StarSong for complementing my post with what I considered adding but didn't for the sake of balance not making my post any longer. A good topic for a separate thread. Of course as someone that had to read so much of this kind of thing, I could write several pages about how poorly some technical and operational instructions are for both technical products all the way to consumer products. And I'm talking about people from A to Z in intelligence with a wide range of education or ethnic backgrounds.

Many who understand whatever just have a poor ability to put themselves in the position of the knowledge level of their audience. And that comes out not only in writing instructions but also in simply verbally explaining things to others. It's like after they state something, one has to ask 10 more questions to discover what they are actually talking about they should have considered and stated up front. I frequently see the same thing on web boards like this when people informally post vague and ambiguous statements they expect others to understand the way they do and then are surprised when others interpret posts in ways they didn't intend. And that sometimes causes unnecessary friction between individuals. Probably the most common are those that do not narrow down their OP, opening post, statements on some topic that then results in a wide range of inputs that dilute the intent of whatever.

In this era, end user product documentation of larger corporations tends to be well presented, carefully checked by technical writing professionals because if whatever is not, it ends up being a time and cost burden on customer support. That noted, there are still plenty of small cost sensitive products being produced in foreign non-English speaking countries countries with poor documentation that end up on Amazon. That is why Amazon wisely has user questions and product reviews at the bottom of product pages where users themselves can eventually straighten out whatever mess. With complex software products like Microsoft Excel, that results in help websites that complement usually terse operational guide instructions to a level even those with technical limitations have a chance to use products.
 
Well, not a computer but had a coworker who was very proud of the fact that she did not "know how" to pump her own gas, and always went to full service. At the time she was NOT a senior...was in her 40s at the time. Not sure if she is doing it now.....with mostly self serve, or still makes someone come out and pump it for her
I had some pain in my wrists from arthritis for years and my husband used to always pump gas for me. If he was not available I went to full-service. :) After my arthritis was under control and I no longer had pain he still continued to pump gas for me. 🤗
 
I had some pain in my wrists from arthritis for years and my husband used to always pump gas for me. If he was not available I went to full-service. :) After my arthritis was under control and I no longer had pain he still continued to pump gas for me. 🤗
how did you get your arthritis under control, I'd love to know.. I have it in my fingers...
 


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