Do you miss incandescent light bulbs?

HoneyNut said:
Gee, now I'm feeling nervous looking at this computer screen. Ah, I've turned on the night setting. Ugh, I don't like this but if it avoids going blind any sooner than necessary then I could try suffering with it a little bit. My mom had that degeneration stuff tho and I don't know how much LED light she was exposed to, I wouldn't think very much, I thought sunlight was the big risk for it and I do try to use blue blocking sunglasses when I drive (sometimes).
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Yes, I keep the night shade setting on 24/7 on my devices.
 

When I as someone with an understanding of the electromagnetic spectrum and eye biology, saw this thread title and OP's post, it struck me as unlikely? Then skimmed through the 3 pages of posts and did not see any expected critical links. So bothered to search myself and immediately saw this was about the blue light spectrum. There is nothing different about the blue light itself at specific frequencies (~ wavelengths) and power levels whether from LEDs, fluorescents, incandescents, or the Sun. So the real concern is simply whatever a lighting source with blue wavelength, is it too intense over a period of viewing, especially as wavelengths become shorter towards the ultraviolet. Of all these sources, the Sun has far more dangerous higher frequency light with significantly higher power levels. So would expect humans that develop macular issues due to short electromagnetic wavelengths are far more likely to have had long term outdoor lifestyle, especially in bright snow or sand desert environments than from say using typical LED indoor lighting products that are a relatively new science age product.

All these indoor lighting products vary by design in the frequencies they transmit. With LEDs they may in fact be long wavelength harmless red or even biologically invisible infrared. So there is nothing inherent about LED emissions at specific frequencies/levels that make it different from other light sources. They may also be designed at the other end of the eye visual spectrum to be not only blue but ultraviolet that when high enough are also invisible. Our Sun has much such radiation above our eye pigment bandwidths. No one with common sense looks directly at the Sun for more than moments. With display technologies we may look at for extended periods of time, a more valid cause of negative eye strain effects are 60 hertz or 50 hertz flicker. Our 60 hertz AC power, directly powering various illumination products, unlike DC direct current sources, may cause continuously varying light power levels as those same frequencies, a radiation meter on an oscilloscope will readily show but for which our eyes and brain experiences as continuous light but for which our neural system may also be stressed from at unconscious levels.

History of the Twentieth Century as science and technology arose, is full of cases of products that eventually were shown to be damaging both to human and animal bodies as well as our Earth environments. Especially the many environmental poisons and pollutants as well as consumables like cigarette nicotine. And following that has been the rise of a large personal injury lawyer industry seeking claims against responsible negligent entities. Much of that has in balance been greatly beneficial to mankind and those people affected as we advance safely in this technological era with many unknowns. However there has also not surprisingly been a rise in groups that with legal support, have manipulated media towards banning and making legal awards that are not supported by science or weakly so, especially against large powerful, wealthy, corporations and government agencies with deep pockets. Examples are many including, smartphone radiation, foods with a long list of preservatives, roads with potholes, and much more. Such is possible because average persons are too science ignorant gullible to evaluate information themselves and rather are easily manipulated by those with an agenda just as some do with politics. Please web search yourself beyond these two.

https://ledapex.com/do-lights-cause...the corner for fear of damaging your eyesight.

This disease affects people as they age, but there are many factors which can lower your risk such as diet and exercise- not lighting! Scientists have found no connection between LED light exposure and development of this eye condition called macular degeneration. This doesn’t mean you should go around staring at lights all day long, though; it just means you don’t need to worry about turning off those bright LEDs in the corner for fear of damaging your eyesight.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog...ular-degeneration-and-blindness-2019040816365
 

Gaer said:
LED light bulbs cause irreversible damage to the eye retina, particularly the macula, in the center of the eye.
They also have neurotoxins as lead and arsenic, in the event of breakage, but this is secondary to the
"macular degeneration" and other damage this may cause in elder eyesight.
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LED Bulbs. I knew they were too good to be true.
 
When my 18" flourescent, under-cabinet light went kaput; I went to Walmart and looked for a new one. All they had were LED daylight tubes. I bought one and installed it. When I turned it on, that sucker was illegally bright. It was like having the sun in my kitchen. Thankfully, the fixture had a clear plastic shield on it. I took some white duct tape strips and stuck them on the shield leaving only 1/4 to 1/2 inch slits for the light to shine through. Good God. No wonder eyesight is being damaged. If they are going to sell retina killers like that, they need to offer free light filtering covers for them too. No one needs blinding white light to see at night, I'm talking those headlights, not cool.
 
Since macular degeneration has been known for millennia before LEDs were invented, it's doubtful LEDs cause it. The blindness of headlights at night is caused more by our growing cataracts than by LEDs. Incandescents are a waste in their short life spans, and a hog for electricity in light per unit of electricity. Sorry, incandescants are like those big old wood stoves, very nostalgic, but inefficient, wasteful, and a pain to use.
 
My eye doctor recommended MacuHealth for my macular degeneration. It's not a cure, but it's supposed to slow the rate of decline. It costs $75 - $80 for a bottle of 90 capsules. I've been taking them for six months. I don't know if it's actually doing me any good or if I'm just wasting money. I found a few studies and articles that show it is efficacious, but who knows.

Anybody have any reliable information on MacuHealth?
 
David777 said:
When I as someone with an understanding of the electromagnetic spectrum and eye biology, saw this thread title and OP's post, it struck me as unlikely? Then skimmed through the 3 pages of posts and did not see any expected critical links. So bothered to search myself and immediately saw this was about the blue light spectrum. There is nothing different about the blue light itself at specific frequencies (~ wavelengths) and power levels whether from LEDs, fluorescents, incandescents, or the Sun. So the real concern is simply whatever a lighting source with blue wavelength, is it too intense over a period of viewing, especially as wavelengths become shorter towards the ultraviolet. Of all these sources, the Sun has far more dangerous higher frequency light with significantly higher power levels. So would expect humans that develop macular issues due to short electromagnetic wavelengths are far more likely to have had long term outdoor lifestyle, especially in bright snow or sand desert environments than from say using typical LED indoor lighting products that are a relatively new science age product.

All these indoor lighting products vary by design in the frequencies they transmit. With LEDs they may in fact be long wavelength harmless red or even biologically invisible infrared. So there is nothing inherent about LED emissions at specific frequencies/levels that make it different from other light sources. They may also be designed at the other end of the eye visual spectrum to be not only blue but ultraviolet that when high enough are also invisible. Our Sun has much such radiation above our eye pigment bandwidths. No one with common sense looks directly at the Sun for more than moments. With display technologies we may look at for extended periods of time, a more valid cause of negative eye strain effects are 60 hertz or 50 hertz flicker. Our 60 hertz AC power, directly powering various illumination products, unlike DC direct current sources, may cause continuously varying light power levels as those same frequencies, a radiation meter on an oscilloscope will readily show but for which our eyes and brain experiences as continuous light but for which our neural system may also be stressed from at unconscious levels.

History of the Twentieth Century as science and technology arose, is full of cases of products that eventually were shown to be damaging both to human and animal bodies as well as our Earth environments. Especially the many environmental poisons and pollutants as well as consumables like cigarette nicotine. And following that has been the rise of a large personal injury lawyer industry seeking claims against responsible negligent entities. Much of that has in balance been greatly beneficial to mankind and those people affected as we advance safely in this technological era with many unknowns. However there has also not surprisingly been a rise in groups that with legal support, have manipulated media towards banning and making legal awards that are not supported by science or weakly so, especially against large powerful, wealthy, corporations and government agencies with deep pockets. Examples are many including, smartphone radiation, foods with a long list of preservatives, roads with potholes, and much more. Such is possible because average persons are too science ignorant gullible to evaluate information themselves and rather are easily manipulated by those with an agenda just as some do with politics. Please web search yourself beyond these two.

https://ledapex.com/do-lights-cause-macular-degeneration/#:~:text=Scientists have found no connection between LED light,the corner for fear of damaging your eyesight.

This disease affects people as they age, but there are many factors which can lower your risk such as diet and exercise- not lighting! Scientists have found no connection between LED light exposure and development of this eye condition called macular degeneration. This doesn’t mean you should go around staring at lights all day long, though; it just means you don’t need to worry about turning off those bright LEDs in the corner for fear of damaging your eyesight.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog...ular-degeneration-and-blindness-2019040816365
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Well all I know is that 5 years ago I was having headaches and seeing white spots. It took me a while to figure out what it could be then I realized I had tried the LED lights. So I got rid of all LED lights and went back to the ones I've been using, and since then I haven't had any headaches or white spots, for 5 years. So I was like okay I know not to buy LED lights anymore. And everything was fine till now they are saying they will stop selling other lights and only sell LED lights. I'm like no, people need choices. Everyone is not the same.
Oh and I'm vegan whole food plant based, so I eat plenty of veggies and legumes and fruit. :) And I go to the gym every day. (y) I don't need glasses, not even reading glasses. And I take vitamin D and B12 and multivitamin. And I don't take any prescription medicine at all so it wasn't that. The only thing that was different was the LED lights, and the white spots and headache went away and stayed away for 5 years after I stopped using LED lights. So it has to be those lights.
 
Judycat said:
When my 18" flourescent, under-cabinet light went kaput; I went to Walmart and looked for a new one. All they had were LED daylight tubes. I bought one and installed it. When I turned it on, that sucker was illegally bright. It was like having the sun in my kitchen. Thankfully, the fixture had a clear plastic shield on it. I took some white duct tape strips and stuck them on the shield leaving only 1/4 to 1/2 inch slits for the light to shine through. Good God. No wonder eyesight is being damaged. If they are going to sell retina killers like that, they need to offer free light filtering covers for them too. No one needs blinding white light to see at night, I'm talking those headlights, not cool.
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Yes! Exactly! When I look around I see nothing but white like someone shining a light in my eyes even when my back is to the light and I can't see for a little while till it disappates or something. It's weird. It's too much. I'll have to cover it up with a dark cloth or something if I have to use them. Jesus. I need soft light, warm light. Not that bright white light. My eyes are not used to that.
 
Humor... Last year I was in a store looking for a special/weird bulb for a special lamp. Its one of those type that is supposed to last several years. Mine didn't burn out, it broke. All I could find was a two-pack that said right on the label the bulb would last 20 years! I laughed out loud and a senior couple next to me looked over as if to say, "What's so funny about light bulbs?" I said,"I'm 65 years old so I won't need the second bulb till I'm 85! So For the next 20 years I have to remember where I left this bulb? "
 
Me: ChatGPT, are LED lights bad for your eyes?

ChatGPT: LED lights, like other forms of artificial light, can cause eye strain and fatigue in some people. This is because the light emitted by LEDs is often very bright and can cause glare, which can make it difficult for the eyes to focus and can cause strain on the eyes. However, there is currently no scientific evidence to suggest that LED lights are harmful to the eyes or that they can cause long-term damage to vision.

It's worth mentioning that some studies have shown that long-term exposure to blue light, which is emitted by many LED lights, can cause damage to the retina and can disrupt the body's natural sleep-wake cycle. It's recommended to use LED lights with adjustable color temperature, so you can have the option to reduce the level of blue light. Additionally, it's a good idea to take regular breaks when working in front of a screen, and to blink frequently to moisten the eyes and reduce dryness.

Me: Thanks, ChatGPT!
 
Today I saw my eye doctor and had an exam. I asked the about this subject we are talking about, and she said the blue lights that are immitted from computer screens and the new light bulbs are very low and should not hurt your eyes. That when you go outside the blue light immitted from the sun is hundreds of times brighter than what the new light bulbs and computer screens putout. I asked her about the blue blocker glass that can be worn to block out the blue light and told her that I have a generic set that I will wear at times when I am on the computer or outside, and that they seem to help me. She said there is no hard evidence that blue blocker glasses will help with age related macular degeneration. Anyhow she ordered me some new glasses and they will have the blue blocker tint added in them and I am curious how they will work for me.
 
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I use incandescent or halogen bulbs in my well house to keep it from freezing. I have an old fashioned floodlight fixture in there with two bulbs so if one goes out the other keeps things from freezing. I stocked up on bulbs last year. I am as much for protecting the evnironment as anyone, but what do they think I will use in there when I can no longer get the bulbs, a space heater?
 

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