Do you think global warming is hogwash?

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Or is it truly happening as we speak?
Many don't understand that before global warming, it get's cold. Hence the problems the eastern states are having. Eventually, it will switch around and global warming will begin.

The way I see it, the world went through these stages before, but now? We have 7 BILLION people inhabiting, breathing, deforesting, farming, producing, etc. When the last ice age happened, it was just cave men...and not a lot of them. With 7 billion people on this earth, she can only hold so much until balking.

So..what are your thoughts on this?
 

I think for now it is theories, not facts.
If it is true and if in several hundred years from now there is another ice age... or whatever, that destroys most life as we know it on Earth, it will not be the complete end of life on Earth. Eventually, as before, the ice would melt and new living things will thrive on this planet.
You believe the theory the planet will warm then an ice age will follow all because 7 billion people are breathing, deforesting, producing, etc. So how do you propose we stop it? Sterilize adults so the population dwindles and less resources are used?
What do you think caused the last ice age? Was our planet over-run by cave men breathing?
When I was much younger I had a lot of admiration for scientists. We had people like Albert Einstein.
But since then there has been many alarms sounded by scientists.
All of whom are seeking further funding from the government for continued research about impending disasters.
They are beginning to remind me of the boy who cried wolf. I no longer listen.
 
I think the increasing levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere as a result of industrialisation is a concern. We need to develop technologies that reduce our dependence on fossil fuels.

But of course, we have already done this. Now what we have to do is persuade people and corporations to shift towards renewable energy sources if we don't wish to suffer the very foreseeable consequences of the earth becoming more energetic over time.
 

Dame Warrigal said:
I think the increasing levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere as a result of industrialisation is a concern. We need to develop technologies that reduce our dependence on fossil fuels.

But of course, we have already done this. Now what we have to do is persuade people and corporations to shift towards renewable energy sources if we don't wish to suffer the very foreseeable consequences of the earth becoming more energetic over time.
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Well said. Thank you!
 
i_am_Lois said:
I think for now it is theories, not facts.
If it is true and if in several hundred years from now there is another ice age... or whatever, that destroys most life as we know it on Earth, it will not be the complete end of life on Earth. Eventually, as before, the ice would melt and new living things will thrive on this planet.
You believe the theory the planet will warm then an ice age will follow all because 7 billion people are breathing, deforesting, producing, etc. So how do you propose we stop it? Sterilize adults so the population dwindles and less resources are used?
What do you think caused the last ice age? Was our planet over-run by cave men breathing?
When I was much younger I had a lot of admiration for scientists. We had people like Albert Einstein.
But since then there has been many alarms sounded by scientists.
All of whom are seeking further funding from the government for continued research about impending disasters.
They are beginning to remind me of the boy who cried wolf. I no longer listen.
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Thanks for your input but we will have to agree to disagree. :)
 
Referring to it as global warming is an unfortunate misnomer. It is fact that the climate is changing and to think that man is not drastically impacting the climate is the real danger. We know that the Earth has cycled through climate changes for thousands of years, however man is dramatically impacting it. I hope we wake up in time to realize this and change. Unfortunately it may already be too late.
 
I think the earth is may be warming as it has done numerous times before. It's the doomsayers who think it will be a global disaster that I can't stand. If the ocean levels rise people in low areas can move. It's not like a tornado that comes unexpectedly.

A much more important issue was touched on but most governments world wide pay no attention to it. That is overpopulation. There is a limit to the amount of food the earth can sustain. when we take more food from the land and seas than can be replaced the we'll see what global disaster is really like.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
I think the increasing levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere as a result of industrialisation is a concern. We need to develop technologies that reduce our dependence on fossil fuels.

But of course, we have already done this. Now what we have to do is persuade people and corporations to shift towards renewable energy sources if we don't wish to suffer the very foreseeable consequences of the earth becoming more energetic over time.
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I agree and just to add.....I think this is the greatest concern facing our world and as Judi said I just hope it is not too late.

The predictions of climate scientist are happening all around us, the consequences of denial are too great to ignore.
 
I really don't know. The theory seems sound and making adjustments to our way of life(going green) seems to be the prudent thing to do. But then you see some scientist say we are headed for another ice age 10k years from now and it really doesn't matter what we do, nothing will stop it.

Having said all that, it does make sense to 'go green'. Ten thousand years is a long way from now. ;) Why not do whatever we can to improve the environment in which we live? Perhaps that will help to reduce global warming a bit. But who knows.......I know nothing about nothing.
 
IMO its hogwash. the earth burps, pass's gas, heats and cools. always has always will


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It is definitely not "hogwash," except in the minds of big business, who object to any restrictions being put on their destruction of this planet. There is ample proof of the damage that is continuing to be done to the environment. Climate change is a reality, not a theory.
 
kcvet said:
IMO its hogwash. the earth burps, pass's gas, heats and cools. always has always will
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Perhaps, but it hasn't always had to support highly industrialised humanity.
Humanity may survive but advanced civilisation may not.
It's ironic that we spent so many years afraid of nuclear annihilation during the Cold War but are so less concerned about doing irreversible damage to the earth's systems that we depend on for life, food and resources to support our lifestyle. Still, I don't suppose we miss something until it is well and truly gone away.
 
Although I agree that we should use more natural options for power like solar, windmills, etc...I think that the global warming scare is very much exaggerated. We do need to care more for the planet like getting the garbage out of the oceans, and making sure we don't keep on polluting our air and water with chemicals. I believe that climate change has been happening for years, and it is cyclical...http://www.americaspace.com/?p=21726
 
Things are certainly cycling and attempting to understand just how our environment responds is interesting. BUT, when it's politicized you can leave me out.
 
It seems pretty simple to solve. Unplug the computor, box it up and carry(walk do not drive) it to a recycling center. Drive the car one last time to the slums and let a homeless person live in it. Maybe find one of the better homeless people to come stay in the garage, or keep some chickens in there. When the meter man comes to read the meter say"pull it". Then once a week make a trip to recycle center with one item of all that worthless junk sitting around the house. You can stop by the grocery store on the way home. Put a couple of goats in the yard to keep grass short and provide fertilizer for veggies. Be sure to keep lots of rocks and big sticks handy to protect the results of work
See how simple it is. Instead of demanding those worthless big business toe the line, stop supporting them, they'll go away. Toss all those useless gadgets and when it gets dark go to sleep.
Don't worry we will let the old clipper ship sail the high seas and we can write notes to one another (how about calling it mail?) and still keep im touch. Then when it gets to the country intended we can give it to some guy on a horse and he will deliver it.
 
That Guy said:
Things are certainly cycling and attempting to understand just how our environment responds is interesting. BUT, when it's politicized you can leave me out.
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“Never let a good crisis go to waste” Winston Churchill

follow the money
 
I lean towards human activity has contributed towards the Earths warming. If I'm wrong, well so be it. There is a big benefit regarding the conversation about Global Warming and that's had a beneficial effect on the elimination of pollution. The solutions to warming and pollution are mirrored in each other and that's very good.
 
Davey Jones said:
re:Do you think global warming is hogwash?


NOPE, its real and I'm glad I'm at the age not to worry about it.

Main reason,IMO, to many damn people on this planet.
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If the human population was existing at the hunter gatherer level, or even at the simple agrarian level, then the number of people would not be a problem. The CO2 emissions of these people are negligible in global terms but as soon as we start to collect in cities and use fuels at the level we do to power our homes, factories and transport then the trouble begins. When only a few western countries were highly industrialised the problem was not all that significant, but now every nation wants what we have had for the last 150 years. This has driven up the global demand for oil, coal, iron ore, etc and the emissions have increased accordingly.

Unless we recognise what is taking place and begin to change the equation now we can hardly be surprised when things go downhill in the next 50 years. I know I won't be here to see it but my children's children will. They deserve some consideration from my generation IMO.
 
There is so much scientific evidence behind climate change, I have no idea where to begin. I feel terrible for future generations in our already overpopulated world.
 
I was wondering what if they had the internet in the 1400s around the time of the Flat Earth debate? Just as I was trying to imagine what that would be like, I found it today on-line. The Flat Earth Society has a forum, and they are still (seriously?!) debating the question in 2014!

Maybe the Global Warming debate will take the same route?
 

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