PeppermintPatty
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Perhaps that’s what I don’t understand. If you didn’t need to fight for you freedom since you weren’t being attacked why did Americans get sent over to fight then? Was it merely because you were asked?
Do you think men are losing their masculinity?
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gruntlabor
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They died for their country. They deserve respect, never mind the filthy politics..
Nathan
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Well as members of the military we were not "asked" pe se, but sent to Vietnam to carry out US government objectives.
PeppermintPatty
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It had nothing to do with protecting your country but 58,000 Americans lives were lost
Do you think this was the most despised wars Americans fought in? From documents, movies and articles written, it seems that many people thought that war was a waste of life. If you don’t want to answer I’m ok with that.
Old Salt
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PeppermintPatty
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Sorry Old Salt but I read it and still don’t understand why.
Was it due to this.
The United States government falsely claimed that a second incident occurred on August 4, 1964, between North Vietnamese and United States ships in the waters of the Gulf of Tonkin. Originally, US military claims blamed North Vietnam for the confrontation and the ostensible, but in fact imaginary, incident on August 4. Later investigation revealed that the second attack never happened; the official American claim is that it was based mostly on erroneously interpreted communications intercepts.[5][6][7] The National Security Agency, a subsidiary of the US Defense Department, deliberately skewed intelligence to create the impression that an attack had been carried out.[8]
I’m trying to brush up on history, a subject I’m not too knowledgeable about , to have more understanding about wars in general. I’m not intentionally diverting from the topic as I think it ties in. Men who willing volunteer to go to war to fight for their country’s freedom is very brave and masculine.
I completely understand the reason why so many Americans signed up to fight in WW11 since Japan invaded Pearl Harbour but with the Vietnam war, it didn’t seem to have anything to do with defending the country yet thousands of Americans were drafted to fight.
Sorry if I’ve gotten political
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Old Salt
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This will shed more light on the story. America was already involved but used the "incident" as an excuse to put boots on the ground, and things took off from there!Sorry Old Salt but I read it and still don’t understand why.
Was it due to this.
The United States government falsely claimed that a second incident occurred on August 4, 1964, between North Vietnamese and United States ships in the waters of the Gulf of Tonkin. Originally, US military claims blamed North Vietnam for the confrontation and the ostensible, but in fact imaginary, incident on August 4. Later investigation revealed that the second attack never happened; the official American claim is that it was based mostly on erroneously interpreted communications intercepts.[5][6][7] The National Security Agency, a subsidiary of the US Defense Department, deliberately skewed intelligence to create the impression that an attack had been carried out.[8]
I’m trying to brush up on history, a subject I’m not too knowledgeable about , to have more understanding about wars in general. I’m not intentionally diverting from the topic as I think it ties in. Men who willing volunteer to go to war to fight for their country’s freedom is very brave and masculine.
I completely understand the reason why so many Americans signed up to fight in WW11 since Japan invaded Pearl Harbour but with the Vietnam war, it didn’t seem to have anything to do with defending the country yet thousands of Americans were drafted to fight.
Sorry if I’ve gotten political
https://www.britannica.com/video/215760/History-Gulf-Tonkin-incident#:~:text=This prompted Congress to pass,getting directly involved in Vietnam.
I fully understand your sentiments, I too admire men who volunteer to serve their country in a time of need. I especially admire those who volunteered during WWII. Of all the wars, that one was a justified reaction on the part of the Allies, in response to Hitler's brutal aggressiveness. I realise that the U.S. only entered the war after Pearl Harbour but contributed to the war effort through lend lease in early 1941.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease
Hope this helps, PP.
Old Salt
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This still bothers me, since we are talking about Vietnam. I was on the side of the protesters yet felt sick when so many returning veterans were greeted with insults. This must have hurt not only them, but their families as well.
I felt terrible at the time. Imagine, you get drafted, endure hell for prolonged periods of time, are proud that you valiantly fought for your country and then, on your return, are greeted with verbal and physical abuse instead of praise ! I think I would have been bitter for the rest of my life!
I felt terrible at the time. Imagine, you get drafted, endure hell for prolonged periods of time, are proud that you valiantly fought for your country and then, on your return, are greeted with verbal and physical abuse instead of praise ! I think I would have been bitter for the rest of my life!