Do you think the ancient Egyptians got it right?

Marriages down because of Covid? The 'ceremony/party' is more important than the commitment.
I've also read that those quickie marriages, including Las Vegas and Reno actually have a higher success rate than traditional marriages. Probably because it is more about the marriage vs. the whole shebang. Those shows like Say Yes To The Dress are insane.
 

I'm from Canada. Let me tell you that weddings and funerals are just a big racket here. I don't mean that you shouldn't celebrate your BIG day but, hey, 1/2 of the weddings end up in divorce anyway. As for funerals go with the simple cremation. Forget those Hollywood Mafia type of funerals with tons of flowers and 4 black limos. Maybe it's great for Hollywood but the guy/gal is dead anyway and they don't know what the hack is happening. Save your money and buy the flowers for the living; not the dead.

That's what I did when my wife was living; I bought her a bunch of flowers every week. I'm glad I did it but I did it when she was living and she loved those flowers. Flowers at funerals are a waste of money unless you are set on supporting the flower shops. Ditto for expensive caskets and everything else that the sneeky funeral director throws at you.
 
Ah, the good old days when my ancestors fought, two wounded, in two world wars and saved the chicken-chit, piss-in-their-panties cowards in that chithole place called Europe, and will probably have to do it again.
Whoa there, Sonny. Hope you're joking or else referring to the SOME of the European GOVERNMENTS, not the individual citizens, for instance the French Resistance, the Polish Resistance (in WW2 anyway; I confess my knowledge of WW2 is a little better than that of WW1). Good grief, there was a Polish Airforce operation called Operation Anthropoid, a WWII mission to assassinate SS General Reinhard Heydrich, the main architect behind the Final Solution and the Reich's third in command after Hitler and Himmler. Even a great movie based on the subject:


Even if you could prove to me that every single European during the 2 WW's was a coward, I suspect there were at least some right here in the USA; I remember hearing in high sch. history class about all the protests going on here in the usa against us entering WW2.
 
The three rings of marriage...

The engagement ring, the wedding ring...and the suffer-ring.

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Ancient Egypt was a very advanced society in many ways. They had a deep bureaucracy, layered, complex. They had a middle class, some advanced math, advanced tools...all kinds of things.

So, any ideas they had seem worth investigating.

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I don't think the institution of marriage that we have needs amending.

I think everything around it needs amending. We let our children jump into sexual relationships without meaning. People don't take the time to get to know each other before marriage. We do so many things wrong. If we did those things right, I don't think the divorce rate would be anything close to what it is.

Too much financial pressure on relationships. Both parents have to work. No time for the kids, no time for the relationship.

Top to bottom, many things need to change.
Hopefully most parents don't "let" their children jump into sexual relationships but try to sway them from it. Though I did see an episode of Oprah on which it was revealed mothers of young teens were advising their daughters to give oral sex rather than have intercourse so they would avoid pregnancy. I was flabbergasted. BTW these girls looked like the classic all American (Caucasian) girls. I couldn't have even broached such a subject with my parents!
 
Whoa there, Sonny. Hope you're joking or else referring to the SOME of the European GOVERNMENTS, not the individual citizens, for instance the French Resistance, the Polish Resistance (in WW2 anyway; I confess my knowledge of WW2 is a little better than that of WW1). Good grief, there was a Polish Airforce operation called Operation Anthropoid, a WWII mission to assassinate SS General Reinhard Heydrich, the main architect behind the Final Solution and the Reich's third in command after Hitler and Himmler. Even a great movie based on the subject:


Even if you could prove to me that every single European during the 2 WW's was a coward, I suspect there were at least some right here in the USA; I remember hearing in high sch. history class about all the protests going on here in the usa against us entering WW2.
Many individual European citizens were collaborators and Nazi's.

My comments were directed at Wren, listed location of Europe. I might have to take the ridicule here in the US but I'll be damned if somebody from Europe has a right to throw down on all us southern boys, us rednecks.

Funny, I remember a thread about Cali. Folks were throwing down on your state. Some of you gave it right back.

It seems some people on here find it comical to ridicule and make fun at southern appalachian people. It's not funny. It's old. We don't appreciate the hurtful insults. Lived with that BS all my life. You think I am being over sensitive, or can't take a joke from a high IQ comic and then belittled by somebody in Europe because of the good old days? I'll give what I get.

Some "friendly" forum this is. And, I am not your Sonny.
 
Many individual European citizens were collaborators and Nazi's.

My comments were directed at Wren, listed location of Europe. I might have to take the ridicule here in the US but I'll be damned if somebody from Europe has a right to throw down on all us southern boys, us rednecks.

Funny, I remember a thread about Cali. Folks were throwing down on your state. Some of you gave it right back.

It seems some people on here find it comical to ridicule and make fun at southern appalachian people. It's not funny. It's old. We don't appreciate the hurtful insults. Lived with that BS all my life. You think I am being over sensitive, or can't take a joke from a high IQ comic and then belittled by somebody in Europe because of the good old days? I'll give what I get.

Some "friendly" forum this is. And, I am not your Sonny.
Well, now I wasn't even thinking about Calif. or Appalachia either one, just the European "cowards" you referred to in your comment. And I didn't mean anything insulting by "Sonny", it just kinda refers to someone younger than I. But I can see you're sensitive about it; so I'll try to remember not to use it with you and you have a nice rest of the weekend now.
 
Nope. Not as a joke. I wondered if marriage was not such a huge production- a formal wedding, and a protracted, bitter divorce in the courts; than we may avoid a lot of emotional turmoil?????
I've known a few couples, who thought they wanted to marry, but had second opinions, but because of the looming planned formal wedding, they were forced into marriage. Of course the marriages lasted less than a year or two.
I believe that it was the royal family which practiced incest to ensure the blood was kept royal, as they were gods, I'm not sure this was a general practice.
Yes. I was the one who raised this red herring. The Pharaohs married close family relatives to protect the "pure" bloodline. The Jewish scriptures are very specific about who can and cannot marry and I wonder whether this was a reaction against the customs of other cultures of the times.

Those of us from the monotheistic traditions tend to assume that our taboos are the same for other cultures but that is not necessarily the case. In Australian indigenous culture there are taboos based on 'skin' groupings. Just as totem group defines the foods one may not eat so skin group defines who you cannot marry. I'm not sure how skin group is defined. I'll leave that to someone who is better informed.

For anyone who wants to know more, try Wiki but it is clear as mud to me. Perhaps the ancient Egyptians had similar systems based on the various gods that were worshipped. I don't know, but I doubt that they had the same taboos that we have today.

Australian Aboriginal kinship - Wikipedia
 
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@fuzzybuddy Yes, I think they got it right, in their own hedonistic way.
It's when religion comes into things that things get so much more complicated.
I couldn't disagree more, but there we go, (a man with the extraordinary name of Eustace Chesser agreed with you however, writing a book on practises regarding marriage or couples around the world forty or more years ago).
However, on one point I agree, and it is that when marriages are seen as optional, or disposable on a whim, (or not much more), then definitely don't enter a marriage or have such an institution in the first place!
 
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Ah, the good old days when my ancestors fought, two wounded, in two world wars and saved the chicken-chit, piss-in-their-panties cowards in that chithole place called Europe, and will probably have to do it again.
You're not trying to wind anyone up here by any chance are you, (what would Churchill have had to say to you, who lauded America for coming to the aid of the "old world", i.e. "there before you were even thought of"! :) ).
 
Seems like I inadvertently opened a can of worms with my tongue in cheek comment on this thread, my profuse apologies to oldpeculier in particular and anybody else I may have offended
 
Yes, many of them left the Mid-East, slowly traveled to what is now Ireland, made the journey across the sea and settled in Appalachia. They introduced the banjo and harmonica to the New World, as well as the greeting card, "Happy Birthday, Uncle-Dad."
People who live in Appalachia are Scots-Irish -- Protestants from what is now Northern Ireland (plus some straight from Scotland). Irish Catholics didn't go to Appalachia, settling in the big cities instead.

If you're going to insult people, you might as well get your ethnicities straight.
 

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