Do You Think Zoos, Circuses, Rodeos, etc. Are Entertainment or Animal Cruelty?

Perhaps they don't have sanctuaries in Peru? That's really where he should be, won't have a chance in the wild.
 

Thanks Debby, I didn't know that. I doubted he could exist in the wild after a life like that...good to hear.
 

I think circuses and zoos should all be shut down. I won't go into all the reasons I believe this because I'm suppose to be packing to go out of town early in the morning. But I saw this computer sitting here and ........... I will have to say I can't find anything about the LA Zoo to complain about but if you let one place like that exist you have to let the others. Sure there are rules against animal cruelty but I don't believe for a minute they have the manpower and teeth to do the good they should be able to do. I'm guessing it's easier for a circus to move on and not have to face the music for their infractions against the animal world. Just like if someone writes a $5,000 hot check and skips town, it's hard to get much done about it.
 
I agree with everything that has been said in this thread. Last year we took a road trip, from the east to the west coast. I always heard that the San Diego Zoo was one of the best we have in this country. I was anxious to see for myself. It seemed clean enough, the caretakers in each area seemed knowledgeable and caring, hopefully I was right. Maybe I was seeing something that really wasn't there since I was scrutinizing this zoo, and I am no expert, but it seemed no matter how large an en-closer these animals had, they seemed to have kind of a vacant stare.

As I said, maybe it was me just trying to find something. I especially noticed it with the apes. Something about their eyes just made me want to cry.I will not visit any zoos ever again. I have no answer for these poor animals,or the animals in the wild that are being slaughtered.. You can't seem to trust organizations either. A few years back I donated cans of food to a local animal shelter. I have read it is always safer to bring food directly because a donation of money could be pocketed.

I found out down the line the dog food was being sold also. Here in Jersey, we are having a bear problem. I dread hunting season. Seems like they extend the hunt longer each year. 90% of the time if someone is harmed by a bear it was because people left garbage around, got in the way of mama and her cubs or just plain harassed the animal. Now they are complaining we can't walk safely in our parks. We spend a fortune on ridiculous issues.

At the very least,and I know it is expensive,but try to relocate some of these animals. We do have a bear in our area. When we had our dog,even though we have a fenced in yard, I would walk the dog when the bear was most active in the area, and stayed close to the house. I have a cockatiel, he is about 15 now.I rescued him from a filthy house that had a garage sale.

In the morning I open his cage. He usually is content to sit on the top of his cage or on my shoulder.At night he goes to bed by himself.Then I cover the cage. The only time I put him in the cage is when I cook. I would never dream of keeping that bird caged.
 
I love seeing a bull attack the matador.just today I saw a video online of a parent videotaping his toddler hitting and pulling the dogs tail.what the hell have we become?


Did you know that the tigers used in the movie The Life of Pi were abused by their trainer? There is a video and nothing has been doNe.f ing as..
 
Like Fur, I've always found circuses creepy, even as a child. I would never go to one.

Don't like zoos either, but at least our zoo here is huge and none of the animals are in cages. They each have an area that is controlled to be like their own habitat. Not so bad, but I still don't like putting animals on display like that.
 
SeaBreeze said:
As an adult, I refuse to go to zoos, circuses or rodeos. I've learned of some abuse behind the scenes over the years, and being an animal lover, I don't want to support anything that abuses or stresses animals. Even a simple dog trick show makes me wonder. What do you think, entertainment or animal cruelty??
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I am not sentimental about animals, but don't believe they should be ill treated. I am not sure about zoos, but circuses are cruel in my opinion. I don't know about rodeos as we don't have them in the UK. I also think idiots who dress their dogs up and treat them like humans are also being cruel!
 
Bluecheese50 said:
I am not sentimental about animals, but don't believe they should be ill treated. I am not sure about zoos, but circuses are cruel in my opinion. I don't know about rodeos as we don't have them in the UK. I also think idiots who dress their dogs up and treat them like humans are also being cruel!
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Why? My little doggies have coats and sweaters... it gets very cold here.. I also call all my animals my kids.. and my babies.. I even talk to them as if they understood me.. am I being cruel?
 
Linda said:
I think circuses and zoos should all be shut down. I won't go into all the reasons I believe this because I'm suppose to be packing to go out of town early in the morning. But I saw this computer sitting here and ........... I will have to say I can't find anything about the LA Zoo to complain about but if you let one place like that exist you have to let the others. Sure there are rules against animal cruelty but I don't believe for a minute they have the manpower and teeth to do the good they should be able to do. I'm guessing it's easier for a circus to move on and not have to face the music for their infractions against the animal world. Just like if someone writes a $5,000 hot check and skips town, it's hard to get much done about it.
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Even circuses can be followed by people who care Linda. Ringling Bros. Circus is ending their elephant use as a result of being brought to court and charged with animal abuse thanks to the hard work of animal rights activists who filmed them beating and abusing the elephants in their 'care'. All of them will be retired this year to go and live on a ranch of sorts until they die of old age. The circus owners finally gave in to the changing attitudes of the public and pressure from AR groups and even though the courts found against the AR groups evidence and witness standing (or something along those lines), the company owners realize that the end is nigh for that kind of entertainment. So no bad actor is immune if people care.
 
Bluecheese50 said:
They shouldn't be ill-treated but they shouldn't be treated like humans either, they are a lesser species and should know their place, imo!
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So, it would be okay for me to kick puppies and drown cats?

The problem is you're saying two things at once - that we should treat them with respect, yet we should treat them like the dumb animals that they are.

I'm having difficulty seeing it both ways ...

I've always believed that ALL life forms are equal - there are no "lesser" species.
 
SifuPhil said:
So, it would be okay for me to kick puppies and drown cats?

The problem is you're saying two things at once - that we should treat them with respect, yet we should treat them like the dumb animals that they are.

I'm having difficulty seeing it both ways ...

I've always believed that ALL life forms are equal - there are no "lesser" species.
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I also don't believe in a "lesser" species. Certainly there are species that have more intellectual capabilities, although sometimes even that is questionable. And I wonder how domesticated animals are expected to "know their place"... when over thousands of years, humans have removed them from their wild forms and brought them into our homes and lives. Does a dog KNOW he is a dog? or does he believe he is part of our family (ie pack).. I have a real problem with people who believe otherwise.
 
Bluecheese50 said:
They shouldn't be ill-treated but they shouldn't be treated like humans either, they are a lesser species and should know their place, imo!
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If they are a "lesser" species and should know their place... well... perhaps my dogs' place is to please me by allowing themselves to be pampered.. kept warm with sweaters when it's below zero.... given regular grooming.. (so they look pretty)... because it makes me happy... and since they are "lesser"... that is their place... To bring me happiness.. right?
 
SifuPhil said:
So, it would be okay for me to kick puppies and drown cats?

The problem is you're saying two things at once - that we should treat them with respect, yet we should treat them like the dumb animals that they are.

I'm having difficulty seeing it both ways ...

I've always believed that ALL life forms are equal - there are no "lesser" species.
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I said they shouldn't be ill-treated. Anyway we aren't going to agree so there is no more to be said on the topic as far as I am concerned!
 
QuickSilver said:
I also don't believe in a "lesser" species. Certainly there are species that have more intellectual capabilities, although sometimes even that is questionable. And I wonder how domesticated animals are expected to "know their place"... when over thousands of years, humans have removed them from their wild forms and brought them into our homes and lives. Does a dog KNOW he is a dog? or does he believe he is part of our family (ie pack).. I have a real problem with people who believe otherwise.
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Just ask Cesar Millan - "The Dog Whisperer" - he constantly talks about dogs becoming "part of our human pack", and all of his behavioral work is based upon that.

Things like cockroaches or those scary-looking fish that live in the deep sea ... well ... I wouldn't necessarily treat them as equals, but I don't go out of my way to stomp them just because they're "lower" forms. They have as much of a right to life as I do. Who am I to pass judgement?

Otherwise, one day, a huge foot will come out of the sky, like on Monty Python, and stomp ME.
 
Who says they are 'lesser'? It all depends on what you have been told by some authority (school/church) - everyone does not believe the sentient and insentient thing, although many people like to think animals are lesser so they can use and abuse them and even eat them.
 

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