Does anybody still believe we are having just "normal" weather anymore?

Traveler said:
I remember, as a small boy, asking my father about huge rounded boulders, some the size of small houses, which were sitting in the fields of upstate New York.
He replied that they had been formed by being pushed ahead of advancing glaciers thousands of years before, and then , as the earth warmed and the glaciers retreated, the boulders were left behind.
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Can you imagine that happening again now with all the big cities in the path of those glaciers ?!

Makes me glad I live in Texas... except this latest arctic cold wave went all the way down to Mexico.

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I keep hearing all that tripe about human caused global warming. If the planet is heating up, how is it possible to have, at the same time, record cold temperature all up and down the East Coast.
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From everything I have read about this, it is indeed possible to have both at the same time. Global warming (or climate change) is measured in geological time periods, not just the immediate year we are living in. It can only
be determined by looking at large-scale average temperatures. Of course, within a pattern of global warming, there can be a year here and there with colder-than-average winters.

The same is true of hot summer, by the way. Every time it gets up near 100 in August, that is not proof of global warming. It's just a hot summer.
 
I don't think the proponents of global warming, climate change, or whatever you want to call it are being honest.

They hype it up in my opinion.

For instance making a big deal and calling it the hottest year ever with the temperature. .2 degrees warmer than a previous year in which the thermometers weren't even the same kind.

And that's supposed to be some kind of proof?
 

Seems like only a few decades ago some scientists were sounding the alarm about global cooling and how a new ice age was on the horizon.

If you are worried about humans causing global warming, you might want to think about how many humans a "healthy" earth can support. Read up on some of the One World theories... think they use 2 billion. There are about 7 billion of us now.
 
To me it doesn't really matter if man made global warming is real or not. It just makes sense to limit pollution, conserve our resources, use renewable energy, energy efficient building and energy efficient transportation methods. Why should we expect anyone to spend their life in the bottom of a coal mine if we have cleaner safer alternatives that will benefit all of us.

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Smiling Jane said:
A friend sent me a facts we don't know email. One of the "facts" said:

The winter of 1932 was so cold that Niagara Falls froze completely solid.
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It has frozen several times and in 1848 it stopped flowing altogether. A wind storm swept the ice out of Lake Erie and it jammed the river cutting off the flow of water to the falls, the local folks thought that the world was coming to an end.

http://www.niagarafrontier.com/fallsstopped.html
 
I'm all for renewable solar panel use here and there where using it would be largely productive, but never should Wind Turbines be used. Anywhere.
I read that the vibrations of those planted in the oceans mess with whales' direction & communication "sounds" and lead some to places, like shallow beach waters, where they get stuck/trapped in the sand and end up dieing. I'd have to read up on that to be sure that this is a fact.

I absolutely despise the use of Wind Turbines anywhere. They, to me, are one of man's inventions so foolish no one wants to admit they are a bad mistake, and way costly.
 
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After years of research, in 2001 NASA received funds to begin a space-based solar energy program. Then without explanation, it was suddenly canceled shortly before 9-11.

When I asked my [NASA scientist] brother about it, he said such a program would be quite expensive, but the money spent on the Iraq war would be a start.

Space-based solar energy is the future... too bad most first world nations are wasting their money. their time and their future on social engineering.
 
dpwspringer said:
If you are worried about humans causing global warming, you might want to think about how many humans a "healthy" earth can support. Read up on some of the One World theories... think they use 2 billion. There are about 7 billion of us now.
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Back in the late 1990's, the UN did a population study, and determined that the maximum sustainable human population would be about 5.7 billion. We blew past that number years ago, and there should be 9 billion by mid-century, and 12 billion by 2100. With automation and robotics taking over more jobs, and many parts of the world already unable to feed their people properly, Humanity is headed for a major "tipping point"...and probably well before this century is over. Global Warming is going to take a back seat to the concerns society has to deal with due to overpopulation.
 
Don M. said:
Back in the late 1990's, the UN did a population study, and determined that the maximum sustainable human population would be about 5.7 billion. We blew past that number years ago, and there should be 9 billion by mid-century, and 12 billion by 2100. With automation and robotics taking over more jobs, and many parts of the world already unable to feed their people properly, Humanity is headed for a major "tipping point"...and probably well before this century is over. Global Warming is going to take a back seat to the concerns society has to deal with due to overpopulation.
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Back in the 1970s liberal "zero population" advocates were quite vocal and the cultures of most first world nations became anti-child. Consequently, the birthrate of most first world nations decreased. But instead of the "zero population" advocates celebrating that the population of most first world nations was decreasing... the "zero population" advocates disappeared to be replaced by liberal advocates of massive third world immigration into those first world nations.

In short, I think we've been deceived by a bait and switch.
 
Different states/areas have distinctive climates. So, If we can we must carefully examine and choose the climate
we prefer. I have friends who live all over the place. Some LOVE their area and others hate it but can't do much about it.

I was born and raised in Michigan, A nice and beautiful state. But you have to shovel snow and drive on dangerous, icy roads.

I was finally able to get out of there and move HERE. It's a lot different living in say North Dakota as compared to Louisiana.

Lucky folks are the ones who are able to live where they WANT. Right?
 
Falcon said:
Different states/areas have distinctive climates. So, If we can we must carefully examine and choose the climate
we prefer. I have friends who live all over the place. Some LOVE their area and others hate it but can't do much about it.

I was born and raised in Michigan, A nice and beautiful state. But you have to shovel snow and drive on dangerous, icy roads.

I was finally able to get out of there and move HERE. It's a lot different living in say North Dakota as compared to Louisiana.

Lucky folks are the ones who are able to live where they WANT. Right?
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The problem is that climate is only one factor. For me, the most important criterion is demographic, especially the sociopolitical.

Here's a place that I could probably afford to buy, I doubt that the French would sell. It would be great for weather and there are no permanent human residents but plenty of penguins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crozet_Islands
 
KingsX said:
Back in the 1970s liberal "zero population" advocates were quite vocal and the cultures of most first world nations became anti-child. Consequently, the birthrate of most first world nations decreased. But instead of the "zero population" advocates celebrating that the population of most first world nations was decreasing... the "zero population" advocates disappeared to be replaced by liberal advocates of massive third world immigration into those first world nations.

In short, I think we've been deceived by a bait and switch.
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No doubt in my mind we have been deceived in many ways about many things that affect having a world wide sustainable population as well as having sustainable first-world societies. Too many people have lost site of what got us here and are forcing ill-advised agendas on us that will cause things to go downhill in a more and more accelerated rate.
 
A silly thought: The weight of overpopulation all over Earth will crush it into a small ball which will crowd billions of people off of it and 'falling' into space. Right? No? Oh wait, I think I read that in a sci fi story. Sorry. lol :0
 
chic said:
Gotta take the good with the bad. The bugs are gone. Try living in the artic air and the sweeping noreasters of New England. Or, take Canada. I don't know how those people stand their winters. LoL. I'd pay to leave. No offense to Canada of course, it's a gorgeous country - when seen in the summertime.
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Many areas of Canada are farther south than many areas in the United States. I live close to Minnesota. When it comes to cold temperatures Minnesota is no slouch. I believe International Falls Minn sets the cold temperature for the U.S. other than Alaska.

Unless it's really cold like it has been lately winter isn't bad at all and most people welcome the four seasons.

Summer is worth waiting for. You can sleep without air conditioning. And when the switch to daylight savings is made it doesn't get dark until about 10 in the evening. You can play 18 holes of golf starting at 6 o clock.

You have to dress for it but it doesn't seem to slow anyone down.
 
Aunt Bea said:
To me it doesn't really matter if man made global warming is real or not. It just makes sense to limit pollution, conserve our resources, use renewable energy, energy efficient building and energy efficient transportation methods. Why should we expect anyone to spend their life in the bottom of a coal mine if we have cleaner safer alternatives that will benefit all of us.

Limiting pollution. We have been doing that for a few decades now.

We had incinerators instead of landfill sites. We had no sewage treatment plants. We had no recycling. We had no catalytic converters. We had lead in our gasoline.

People didn't pick up after their dogs. Pets ran wild.

Diseases were more rampant like small pox and polio.

Healthcare was different.

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Limiting pollution. We have been doing that for a few decades now.

We had incinerators instead of landfill sites. We had no sewage treatment plants. We had no recycling. We had no catalytic converters. We had lead in our gasoline.

People didn't pick up after their dogs. Pets ran wild.

Diseases were more rampant like small pox and polio.

Healthcare was different.
 
Overpopulation? Live births far more abundant than deaths of all kinds. Hence, "Soylent Green"?
 
One day, last week, during our recent bitterly cold spell, I spent some time on Weather.com, and the NOAA web sites....looking at weather conditions all over the globe. The European models were pretty much normal, but Siberia, and the Arctic were experiences temperatures higher than many parts of the Eastern U.S. Even Anchorage, Alaska was warmer than what we were seeing. This warmer air over the Arctic was pushing the Polar Vortex southward over Eastern Canada and the Eastern half of the U.S.

I was looking primarily at the Northern Hemisphere, but I also found some articles pointing out extreme heat taking place in the Southern Hemisphere....including a report saying that it was so hot in parts of Australia, that there was a huge killoff of the flying fox bats, from all the heat.
 
The problem with this topic is that 'normal' isn't actually applicable.
The dinosaurs lived in a period of 150+ Million years when there weren't ice caps.
Since then, there have been MULTIPLE ice ages.
So even if we were to extrapolate an average, it doesn't equal 'normal'.
 
No, I don't think our weather is "normal". There have been so many fluctuations in temperature over short periods of time. Last Monday it was wind chills of -4 degrees, by Friday it was 54 degrees. Same for the wide difference between the beginning of this week and what's coming this weekend. Now there in a freeze in Florida...even the southern part. Not normal at all. I predicted in 2009 that natural disasters would get worse in severity and number...that's coming to pass. Somewhere around 2011, I read that scientists came to the same conclusion. I don't recall them ever having said it before then. I know we've terrible disasters in the past but these are happening in so many places within such short spans of time.
 

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