Does anyone care that the Russkies nabbed Greenpeace?

Diwundrin

Well-known Member
I don't. Good on 'em. Greenpeace have been conning the world for decades with their tree saving and whale hugging propaganda to hide their political aspirations. Now they've got the hide to demand that our Government do something about getting the drongos out of jail there. Not on my dollar boys.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-02/russia-charges-five-greenpeace-activists-with-piracy/4994922

I'm over their antics and their pals Get-up vandalizing the Opera House and sabotaging coal loaders etc. I don't want to ever hear again of one their idiot pawns driving steel spikes into trees in the hope that it will kill a logger trying to earn a living.

I'm particularly tired of carrying their lifestyle on my tax dollar.

If they want to want send their environment back a million years then they can go out to work, save up the money, and buy a patch of jungle to live in.

I'm sick to death of the bleating of their political wing the Greens whining about anything that makes a buck. Unless they own it of course.
When did their agenda slip from hugging whales to hugging gays? What the hell does gay marriage have to do with the environment? That's all we hear from the fleas here.

Should have stuck this in Gripe of the Day... except it's a permanent year round gripe with me.

Go Russkies!
 

So.... we should let the Ruskys drill for oil in the Arctic.... maybe let the Japs run riot and slaughter our whales en masse ?.....

C'mon.... as much as I dislike the Greenpeace idiots , if we let countries rape & pillage our planet without so much as a "why", then it's a sad future for our children and grandchildren.
 

So.... we should let the Ruskys drill for oil in the Arctic.... maybe let the Japs run riot and slaughter our whales en masse ?.....

C'mon.... as much as I dislike the Greenpeace idiots , if we let countries rape & pillage our planet without so much as a "why", then it's a sad future for our children and grandchildren.

Tezza you know me well enough to know I'm taking your name in vain just make a smart-arse argument entertaining right? It's my sarcy way of making a point and nothing personal. Soooo..... bwaahahahaha

[Ramble]
Wanna stop using oil Tezza? Going to hang up the car keys, use a push mower and set us an example? Contemplating a life with nothing manufactured and no processed food? Won't be any without the machinery to make them. No oil = rusted machines.
(... I heard that reply, so, how good is that silicon or whatever synthetic lubricant? And can you run the car on it?)

What about coal, you'll be right in the winter, you have a wood fire, but those candles are going to be a bother because your power supply relies on coal. So just stop using that too? Right now!! Mmmmmm ?

That's what Greenpeace want. They want the world to stop. Now.
Why? Why can't they put their efforts into learning to count and go into research to invent something to replace gasolene and coal fired power stations that is actually efficient enough not to cost us more than we can ever afford to pay?

Who knows? Pick a conspiracy theorist of choice... but, why can't they wait until those replacements are viable??

The fact remains that those grandstanding protests, and the continual carping from the Greens are to stop oil and coal use NOW.
They either have an agenda to disrupt civilization to the point where it can no longer function or else they are too bloody stupid to have thought that far ahead.


Siiiighhhh.... just an OTT venting of a dark side mood tonight, I know that's all pretty silly stuff. It's really going to be much worse than that when the oil and coal runs out.
But it won't be right NOW! .... there I'm feeling much better already.


Oh, the Whales, let's not forget the poor ole whales. They were the banner boys that kicked off Greenpeace's donation bonanza. That was their reason for existing wasn't it? If everyone had stopped whaling straight away they'd have fallen on their faces and never been heard of again.

But they had someone there with an IQ over 70 who invented a backup plan. Nuclear energy. Everyone's sh*t scared of anything nuclear so let's protest about that too, just to keep those bucks rolling in by scaling fences, doing stupidly dangerous sabotage and risking catastrophes just so they could go to jail looking like heroes and impress the hell out of the environmentally well intentioned gullible.

But that puts them in a bit of a bind now that they want coal and oil out of the picture, not to mention natural gas... (that's a whole different thing that burrs me up... but another argument. )

If they hadn't already painted nuclear energy out of the picture it would have been the logical replacement for at the least the coal fired power plants right? Whooops.
So now they are trying to leave us with nothing but a couple of windmills and half the planet covered in mirrors.
Gimme a break!

And those whales. Other countries, like Norway I believe, hunt them. Presumably they eat them, I'd starve to death on Scandanavian food, they eat some weird stuff. But it's Japan that gets the attention. So why Japan?

Because Greenpeace knew that the Japanese don't really eat that much of it any more, it was no longer profitable and it would be easy to bluff them out of a rapidly dying business and claim a great victory.
But either no one explained to them the power of 'face' in the Asian culture, or they didn't really want to stop the whale hugging bandwagon.

The Western notion of Patriotic fervour doesn't hold a candle to the power of 'face'/honour/esteem/pride in the Asian national psyche. Especially in China and Japan. ... and lately all too evident in N. Korea.

Tell 'em they're doing something wrong and they will fight to the last breath to prove that you have no right to tell them so. To give in to outside pressure is a form of death to them.

They can't be seen as 'losers'. It doesn't matter if everyone knows they didn't win, just as long as nobody says so.
It's okay for them to choose to stop because secretly they know that they're wrong about something, or it's costing too much, but they won't allow anyone else to be seen as forcing them to stop.

And Greenpeace keeps pushing the issue! It keeps insulting their right to appear to be making their own choice in stopping and saving 'face'. Which makes them go and build bigger whalers to kill more whales to prove that they won't be bossed around.

It might be just my personal fantasy but I believe a lot less whales would have been killed if Greenpeace had never existed.

While I'm at it.... now their political branch, the Greens, are getting into social engineering. They just want it all don't they??
Why? [/ramble] .. or was it [/rant]?
 
A diatribe, I think. Believed by some to be therapeutic.

di·a·tribe
/ˈdīəˌtrīb/
Noun
A forceful and bitter verbal attack against someone or something.


 
I cannot say that I agree with all of their efforts and the way they pull them off, but the message they carry is I think a valid one.

Nuclear power, Di? Really? Are you in favor only because you're downwind of Fukushima? Have you ever lived near a nuclear plant, and been woken up in the middle of the night by their alarms?

I have.

Have you visited Chernobyl recently? I understand that the tours, while brief because of the exposure levels, are to die for.

Literally.

Three Mile Island ring a bell? I live 15 miles away, in the zone that is officially called "Kiss Your A** Goodbye When The Bell Rings".

The whales ... I'm not sure that the whales are hunted for their food value as much as their ambergris and blubber. Stuff that you can't get anywhere else, but which could be replaced with something synthetic.

I know you're a political creature and you know I'm not, so I can't comment on their connection to the Green Party except to say that EVERY semi-revolutionary faction has its political agenda. Perhaps you just don't like that particular party, hence you despise their "action arm"?
 
I don't even know why Phil but it was instinctive and visceral reaction against the Greenies from when they first appeared decades ago. Maybe I'm just a dinosaur, and maybe like the Asians I hate being lectured to by deadbeats. It's a chink in the veneer of my usual don't really givva either way, fascinated spectator only, attitude to life. But for some reason they really tick me off.

For every example I hear of nuclear power gone wrong there are hundreds of them that never give a hiccup.
The ones listed, the Chernobyls the 3 Mile Islands, even the Fukashima one are decades old in design and construction.
New technology available today is Ferrari to T-Model Ford by comparison. But people are so brainwashed to be scared of it that it's almost impossible to initiate it as a short term solution to the coal and oil crisis.
We need to weigh up the ever reducing risk from Nuclear catastrophies against the inevitability of eventually suffocating from oil and coal pollution.

There are no free lunches.
 
A diatribe, I think. Believed by some to be therapeutic.

di·a·tribe
/ˈdīəˌtrīb/
Noun
A forceful and bitter verbal attack against someone or something.

I thought that was a primitive group of people that had trouble controlling their sugar levels ...

I don't even know why Phil but it was instinctive and visceral reaction against the Greenies from when they first appeared decades ago. Maybe I'm just a dinosaur, and maybe like the Asians I hate being lectured to by deadbeats. It's a chink in the veneer of my usual don't really givva either way, fascinated spectator only, attitude to life. But for some reason they really tick me off.

That's okay - I have the same visceral reaction to a few topics myself. :playful:

The ones listed, the Chernobyls the 3 Mile Islands, even the Fukashima one are decades old in design and construction.
New technology available today is Ferrari to T-Model Ford by comparison. But people are so brainwashed to be scared of it that it's almost impossible to initiate it as a short term solution to the coal and oil crisis.

That's a good point, one I hadn't really given much thought. Thank you!

We need to weigh up the ever reducing risk from Nuclear catastrophies against the inevitability of eventually suffocating from oil and coal pollution.

There are no free lunches.

Oh, I don't know about that ... Mrs. Frisbee down the street always offers me a free lunch when I'm walking by.

Unfortunately all those freshly-dug holes in her backyard scare me off. :cower:
 
To the original question: No.

On the remainder: Read what Diwundrinatribe said. Sorry I came in too late.

PS: Anyone understand what base load electricity is all about? Another thread maybe ????
 
SifuPhil: I thought that [diatribe] was a primitive group of people that had trouble controlling their sugar levels ...

:lofl:

DB: ...PS: Anyone understand what base load electricity is all about? Another thread maybe ????

I swear I've heard it mentioned before but it's venting and unburdening night so go for it.
 
Good golly, Diwundrin I had to go back and check, there for a minute I thought It was something I had written it and forgot that I had written it.
 
Geez Diwundrin..... your original thread has turned into bread & butter.

Knowing you as I do, I certainly don't have any fear of your posts,... truly magnificent and as I've mentioned in the past, I just love your story-telling abilities.

It's verbal jousting like this that keeps our brains young !...



cheers
 
Now just hang on one cotton picking minute you old battle axe i'm standing with Sir Walter on this, i love trees, i love Whales, hemp is one product for making paper as an alternative to raping and plundering forests that gives life giving oxygen to inhabitants of this planet, multinational companies are reaping environmental damage on a alarming scale all for dammed profit, so bugger them, its about time we looked at the indigenous attitude towards the land and leave no footprints of where we have been. Technology already exists for running cars without petrol or oil, further Solar is being developed as a source of energy into the future on an enormous scale and in progress.
Di baby tell me something, we destroy this magnificent planet where the hell are we going to go....there's nothing habitable we will be doomed is that what your advocating aarrgghh.
 
its about time we looked at the indigenous attitude towards the land and leave no footprints of where we have been.

Get a grip Dookey!

You mean set the place alight as their version of precooked take-away?? They burnt your precious trees so they wouldn't have to chase a Wallaby for Sunday lunch. They preferred to sit and wait for them to come fleeing the flames or else wander in and pick up the cooked ones when the ground cooled off.

This country had a far greater variety of useful vegetation before their 'stewardship' was inflicted on it.
What we have now, i.e., a 3 million square mile tinderbox, is because we are left with only plants which could survive, or regenerate from, fires.
It's why we have deserts, and if there had been more of them we'd be Easter bloody Island!

The myth of the Kooris being sainted environmentalists was started from the viewpoint of how OZ was 2 centuries ago when civilization found it. It was good practice then, and now, to burn off regularly... but.... only because that is the 'environment' that they had forced it to evolve into thousands of years before.

Maybe if they'd gotten off their bums and chased those wallabies they'd have had an easier life in their later generations. Hell they might even have had enough food from those trees that were exterminated by their fire stick 'technology' to have been capable of forming their own civilization. They had 40,000 years to build one, they should have been invading England not the other way round.

They love trees so much they kill them to dig a single grub out of one. They ringbark a dozen to get one piece of usable bark to scribble and dot patterns on or to make a coolabah because it's easier than weaving a bag.

...So don't give me that claptrap about the Kooris. They were survivalists, not environmentalists.

Next.
So, how many electric cars have you got and what do you use to recharge them? And how did you afford them on your pension??
How many windmill generators do you have on your patch or are you totally self sufficient from a solar panel on the roof?
How much did it cost?
How much did the carbon emissions that China used in manufacturing it weigh??:cool:
Your environmentally sweet solar panel is what made Beijing smoggy.

The coal we ship is going to nations who can't afford to pay their equivalent of 20 years wages for a solar panel on the roof of their shanties to boil water for a cuppa, or to run a stove to cook their dinner on.

Greenpeace and their cronies want to stop them having relatively cheap coal without giving a thought to what they are expected to replace it with. NOW.
Maybe in the far future the world will be the Utopia that Greenies imagine, but it isn't NOW.

I know that you are for the common man, for helping the deprived, and that your heart is a good one, with good intentions for all mankind. But your head needs to have a yarn to it every now and then.

Wishing things were better won't make them so. Protesting about them without any viable alternative is worse than useless. It gives people the impression that someone is doing 'good' when all they are doing is raising false hopes for the wrong reasons. They are focusing the blame in the wrong direction and that isn't going to fix anything.
Ignoring the why of things being as they are is the reason so many stuff ups are made in trying to fix them.

Sure rich people run mines and oil companies. Why are they getting rich from it? Because we pay them for their product.
Want to stop them having a strangle-hold on the world? Walk. Eat cold uncooked food you've grown yourself, and 'freeze in the dark.' Simple.

Or build a few nuke power plants and put the coal miners out of business, but then you'd whinge about coal miners losing their jobs right?

Does it ever occur to you that it may very well be the big-oil and mining magnates who are secretly driving the terror of nuclear energy? Nuke is their biggest competition. It is their nightmare.
Do they fund those fence scaling Greenpeace and Get-up protestors at Nuclear Plants?
I would if I was one!
Is Greenpeace against nuclear energy to 'save the planet', or to keep up their donation quotas?
But then I'm just a cynical and devious old battle axe so wadda I know? :cool:

Countries overseas are building nukes and getting power to their outlying villages, we are the only ones still too thick to see the benefits. We'd rather prance about carrying banners and crying about saving whales, trees, and the whole bloody planet. Tell that to people surviving meal by meal, it's really easy to do it from here. We still use our own coal.

If flicking a few bucks to Get-up and their likes is your idea of a sufficient gesture toward saving the planet and salving your conscience then all I can say is that you are selling your conscience cheap.

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[Relax folks, we two had a half hour phone chat this morning, we're old friends playing word games for the fun of it.]
 


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