Dr. Oz - Entertainer or Scientists, what do you think?

Cookie said:
Anny, he is not ONLY about fat burning products, it's not so flat and one-dimensional. How do you explain why so many people are watching him. It would be good if you yourself had some some actual facts and information to offer. Do you? I'm neither defending nor advocating him, I like to be objective.... in fact I think much of what he recommends in the way of healthy diet you might already be doing.
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How does anyone understand why so many people watch the Kardasians, how many want to marry notorious mass killers, how many go out of their way to see vehicle accidents?
 

Yes, Jim, your opinion matters, but please be careful with your phraseology.;)
 

Cookie said:
Anny, he is not ONLY about fat burning products, it's not so flat and one-dimensional. How do you explain why so many people are watching him. It would be good if you yourself had some some actual facts and information to offer. Do you? I'm neither defending nor advocating him, I like to be objective.... in fact I think much of what he recommends in the way of healthy diet you might already be doing.
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You are missing the point that I and others have made several times. The fact that he advertises products that he claims are 'fat burning miracle products' puts everything else he says in doubt. If he will sink that low for $$$ then I have no use for him. He knows these products don't work and he doesn't care that people who are desperate to lose weight will try anything and he is giving them false hope.
 
Cookie you're making the mistake of confusing people with facts and by asking for facts. Some don't want facts and they certainly can't be bothered by doing their own thinking - it's much easier to hold hands and bask in being included at the 8th grade lunch table. ;)
 
If he puts everything else in doubt, then that would put what you yourself do in the name of health in doubt, because information he advocates are the same as things you already do in the name of health. And I have to repeat here, I'm staying objective - don't swing one way or the other. And I do get the point, I'm just not riding on on the same train of thought.
 
Sheesh.... I never realized some folks found Dr. Oz something to fight about.. But.. perhaps when there is a chance to insult folks... anything will do..
 
applecruncher said:
Cookie you're making the mistake of confusing people with facts and by asking for facts. Some don't want facts and they certainly can't be bothered by doing their own thinking - it's much easier to hold hands and bask in being included at the 8th grade lunch table. ;)
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True enough, AC - people have emotional responses to this kind of thing. Reminds me of that movie with Lindsay Lohan.
 
Debby said:
I think he's a well trained doctor who is willing to look at even the alternate ideas and 'judge' them which as we all know, our regular doctors refuse to open their minds to all too often. And how many of us rely on 'home remedies'? I recall much discussion on taking turmeric here, the effects various people experienced with it and yet your doctor is more inclined to prescribe pharmaceuticals than a 'dish of a good curry' every day. I think medicine is in part an evolving science/art and is missing out on the efficacy of some ancient remedies because of a professional snobbery.

He also brings to the attention of average Americans and Canadians, the dangers of some substances. Like right now I'm watching his rebuttal to that attack letter, which by the way was orchestrated by 'doctors' who shill for GMO companies like Monsanto, Big Tobacco and the pharmaceutical industry. On the program he's talking about the dangers of some new synthetic drug on the streets, called Flakka. And I've seen him do this regularly. He's even had the developer of that new GMO 'Arctic Apple' on the program to talk about his product as well as a guy who was talking about why he thinks GMO's are not good for you. Both sides of the story and that's gotta be a good thing right? And at the end, he said, "everyone can decide for themselves if they want to eat GMO's but we all deserve the right to know if that's what's in our foods" and he promotes labelling (which the GMO companies are horrified by, hence the letter).

And we all accept that foods have different effects on the body's metabolism. Eat a turkey sandwich and you want to snooze. Eat a pile of white flour pasta and you're good for a bit and then you crash as your body floods with insulin to counteract the load of starch which turns into sugars, that you just ate. Without having seen the episode that your talking about, I can't really comment on what he says is an effect of that raspberry tea regarding fat burning, but I'd counter with coffee being a pick-me up and too much can make you tense and edgy, so why not a tea that impacts your metabolism, i.e. speeds it up a bit and encourages the fat burning process?

Like everything else, you have to look at who started the controversy and take note of who pays them. Several of them have worked directly (as paid experts) for those food and pharma companies who are impacted by what Oz says. They despise his encouragement to be involved with your own health right from the basics, i.e. food, exercise, supplements, etc and including understanding how disease effects us because it has the potential to impact their business plan and bottom line. Like everything else, follow the money.
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Very well said Debby, I agree. I admit I haven't watched his show for years now, not even sure it's still on in my area. But he often discussed basic nutrition, exercise, and spices, nuts or oils that benefit the body. He explained bodily functions and made things clear for the audience, in an amusing way.

I'm in my 60s and not on any prescription medications (knock on wood). I don't like to go to doctors and have taken vitamins and supplements for many years now, and feel healthier for it. I'm in no way a health freak, I've eaten my share of junk foods in my life and have to be conscious of my weight so it doesn't become a health problem, etc. I wouldn't blindly follow a doctor on TVs advice without doing my own research on the supplement anyway, that would be insane.

Anyhoo, I remember listening to him talk about the basics, things that mainstream doctors were not trained in and could/would not touch with their patients for various reasons. He discussed bad fats and GMO dangers long before the subjects were popular. He didn't just tell you that you need to take a pill or an insulin shot for your diabetes, he explained what the disease was about, and how you could avoid getting it or reverse it with food and nutrition if you had it.

He talked about the benefits of Red Clover Blossom for menopausal symptoms like hot flashes, I researched it and that's all I used to get me through my menopausal period, no hormone therapy for me if I could avoid it. When I did go in for a check up, I mentioned it to my doctor, and he said to just keep taking it and doing whatever I was doing in the way of supplements, because it seemed to be working for me.

As far as I remember, he always cautioned not to do anything, even exercise, without their doctor's approval. I haven't heard much about these diet pills, but it amazes me that people will disregard all of the good he's done and all of his accomplishments, just to beat him down for weight loss pills. I think people who want to pop a pill for quick weight loss need a reality check anyway, they need a lifestyle change, get active and eat right and the weight will come off. http://www.vox.com/2015/4/16/8412427/dr-oz-health-claims
 
SeaBreeze and Debbie, you said it all so well, with all the facts -- everything that I have been thinking, but couldn't put into words.
Thank you.
 
In regard to Dr. Oz' promotion of garcinia cambogia, a diet pill. He had claimed that garcinia cambogia is the safe "Holy Grail" of weight loss that's even good for diabetics but the product is most likely going to contribute to diabetes, and the physiological processes the product accomplishes that are quite well understood - Do Garcinia Cambogia Side Effects Boost Diabetes?




The big problem with Oz is that he's a mix of science and pseudoscience, making it difficult for almost anyone to know what is actually true or not. Unless he performs heart operations, he is almost certainly an entertainer for the most part - but a deceptive one as he makes sure you know he's a doctor, giving the impression he dispenses advice from underneath the scientist label.
 
Everyone is entitled to a personal opinion, but I try to make it a practise that when a person of controversy comes before the public, I check it out before I jump on the bandwagon and tear him a new one.

A few years ago, Dole Fruit Company was spraying pesticides on their workers in the field. Those workers then sued for myriad health issues and they won. Then a documentary film maker from Sweden decided to 'just report the facts ma'am' and Dole didn't appreciate having the truth of their bad behaviour made public. They attempted to keep him from releasing it and that included sending a press release to news organizations across the country and in Europe as well and they slammed him and sought to ruin his reputation. In a follow up documentary (covering their smear campaign) Mr. Gertten showed how Canada AM got the press release and did absolutely no research but instead smirked and aided in the smear campaign as they referred to the 'lies' he was spreading about Dole. That was the beginning of my realization that you can't trust mainstream media. By the way, as Mr. Gertten was busy making his second documentary about the smear campaign, he was also suing Dole in an American court and he won his case and Dole had to pay him. He should have sued Canada AM as well as every other news organization that slandered him.

I try not to form opinions about peoples intentions and integrity based on watching one episode. I also think that if some group with an obvious bias make accusations, it is crucial that we all investigate and seek understanding rather than just adding to the cacophony of insinuations and misinformation.


By the way, if anyone was interested in watching the documentary which I think you can see online, it was called 'Big Boys Gone Banana's'. Actually very interesting and a real eye opener.
 
SeaBreeze said:
.........He talked about the benefits of Red Clover Blossom for menopausal symptoms like hot flashes, I researched it and that's all I used to get me through my menopausal period, no hormone therapy for me if I could avoid it. When I did go in for a check up, I mentioned it to my doctor, and he said to just keep taking it and doing whatever I was doing in the way of supplements, because it seemed to be working for me.

As far as I remember, he always cautioned not to do anything, even exercise, without their doctor's approval. I haven't heard much about these diet pills, but it amazes me that people will disregard all of the good he's done and all of his accomplishments, just to beat him down for weight loss pills. I think people who want to pop a pill for quick weight loss need a reality check anyway, they need a lifestyle change, get active and eat right and the weight will come off. http://www.vox.com/2015/4/16/8412427/dr-oz-health-claims
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Oh my gosh SeaBreeze! Red Clover Blossom!!!!! Say it ain't so! How could you trust your health to a clover flower? That's almost as bad as hoping or trusting that some kind of tea might have some use in weight loss!

I just did a little looking and found where WebMD suggests fuelling up with water to boost your metabolism as well as eating spicy foods to boost your metabolism. Aaaand it also mentions that a compound in green tea, called catechins can actually speed up your metabolism by 17% for a short time. Raspberry tea anyone? Is it that unthinkable especially in light of the effect mentioned here from green tea?


http://www.webmd.com/diet/ss/slideshow-boost-your-metabolism


Recharge With Green Tea


...Drinking green tea or oolong tea offers the combined benefits of caffeine and catechins, substances shown to rev up the metabolism for a couple of hours. Research suggests that drinking 2 to 4 cups of either tea may push the body to burn 17% more calories during moderately intense exercise for a short time.....'



 
Debby said:
Oh my gosh SeaBreeze! Red Clover Blossom!!!!! Say it ain't so! How could you trust your health to a clover flower? That's almost as bad as hoping or trusting that some kind of tea might have some use in weight loss!

I just did a little looking and found where WebMD suggests fuelling up with water to boost your metabolism as well as eating spicy foods to boost your metabolism. Aaaand it also mentions that a compound in green tea, called catechins can actually speed up your metabolism by 17% for a short time. Raspberry tea anyone? Is it that unthinkable especially in light of the effect mentioned here from green tea?
http://www.webmd.com/diet/ss/slideshow-boost-your-metabolism
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Lol Debby, yes, I trusted my health and my life to a clover flower http://www.natmedtalk.com/wiki/Red_Clover :love_heart: It's just as bad as those who think that a plant that grows in the ground like marijuana can actually help with chronic pain...how absurd, these people need their heads examined!! ;) Some people actually trust lemon juice in water to increase their metabolism, no shortage of nut jobs in this world is there? :D
 
I enjoy his show when I remember to watch it. I do not take it as gospel but I usually learn something when i watch it. I do not run out and get anything. In fact I have never seen him sell anything.
 
Dr Oz has won the Pigasus award from the James Randi Foundation three years in a row. He promotes dangerous homeopathy, healing through "energy therapy", provides a platform for psychics, and gives John Edwards another chance to get rich exploiting people's grief. I've never seen him sing or dance, so my answer to the posted question would be "neither".
 
Hi SeaBreeze. No surprise that the alternative medicine industry would defend him. Whether one chooses to believe in them or not, homeopathy, psychic predictions, and speaking to the dead have nothing to do with science.
 

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