Drug reform laws may not be working

Brookswood

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It is starting to look like the drug reform laws passed in over the past few years are no longer working well. For example, in Portugal:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/07/07/portugal-drugs-decriminalization-heroin-crack/

“These days in Portugal, it is forbidden to smoke tobacco outside a school or a hospital. It is forbidden to advertise ice cream and sugar candies. And yet, it is allowed for [people] to be there, injecting drugs,” said Rui Moreira, Porto’s mayor. “We’ve normalized it.”

Urban visibility of the drug problem, police say, is at its worst point in decades and the state-funded nongovernmental organizations that have largely taken over responding to the people with addiction seem less concerned with treatment than affirming that lifetime drug use should be seen as a human right.

Apparently, the state of Oregon is starting to regret its more lenient approach to street drugs that was approved less than five years ago.

Despite losing handily in the state's rural counties, ballot Measure 110 passed with 58% of the vote. Now polls suggest voters might be rethinking their decision to decriminalize drugs. An April poll by DHM Research found that 63% of voters support bringing back criminal penalties for drug possession.Sep 27, 2023
 

More lenient drug laws only make the problem of drug addiction more visible. You don't have to hide drug use from the cops. Both locking them up for life and giving them new syringes do nothing to treat drug addiction.
 
Until the addict actually wants to change and sober up they wont. But criminal penalties for those not quite at the full fledged junky stage might be the wake up call they need.

The long term junky doesn't give a heck but should pay the price anyway. They can blame drugs for them stealing or robbing people but that means they were already ethically and legally challenged. Drugs didn't tell or instruct them to get a screw driver and pry open someone's window or get a gun and threaten people with it. They are already weak willed low impulse control individuals ie almost a prerequisite for a life of crime.
 
Not a subject I every bother putting time into, thinking about, but for the sake of some armchair brainstorming this Sunday after the 49ers made Jacksonville look like that game against Dallas. Will take a stab for the mental exercise. Afterward, you all can elect me Emperor of the Universe!

With drugs that effect we Earth monkey nervous systems pleasantly, our society must decide where to draw lines between freedom to enjoy and have fun and whatever causing levels of negative effects that need to be increasingly throttled back from openness. In the future, a person will be able to online order and pay for digitally any food, drink, medicine, or legal drug online and have whatever delivered to one's residence within a short amount of time.

It is an absolute fact, that many people have rather boring lives that taking a drug that makes one feel enjoyment goes a long ways towards something easy a fridge away to look forward to week to week, not giving up. Would make our ancestors on a hot day 1000 years ago drool with envy. That has always been part of the alcohol world and in this news science telecom era, medicines, and drugs have been added to the old mix whether one approves or not. Sorry you frustrated with a cork in your hands, historic reality is in this modern telecom science era, the genie on trivial feel goods to modern life escaped a long time ago.

It is also very true now in 2023 unlike say 1980, that a whole lot of those considered successful people including authorities, are also enjoying life more with some drug use wisely below the media radar, because that can be part of what being in a happy and successful lifestyle oprn minded community of others often is. Consider the wine and coffee drinking worlds. Or just the corner pub drinking communities across European nations and cultures.

But in that more extreme scenario per the thread OP, we don't want to end up with a society full of large percentages of people that chose on their own, a zombie-like junkie life without really trying out or been given a chance, who then are just an inefficient draw on everyone else that ought be mitigated.


Given my own "Let It Be" attitudes, since the world and society conditions have already contributed to that junky world, they ought just let those folks alone for the rest of their lives as long as long as they quietly stay to themselves mostly out of the way of the rest of us, out of sight, out of sound, whatever. Let society with oversight, figure that out. And that includes on our city streets and about entertainment districts. Addicts that except that lifestyle and want to run with the rest of us,I'm sorry, instead need to back off away from the rest of us. Those that choose to do so in our face can go to an island.

On the other hand we can allow anyone to consume drinks with caffeine (ie coffee) and theobromine (ie chocolate) without worrying about negative consequences because such has a long modern history that has worked out well providing much early morning Monday pleasure to what otherwise seemed hopeless at 6am.. With over the counter medicines we provide warnings on packaging and media. With weed in legal states, there is another level of inhibition starting with age just as with alcohol plus community buy-ins or not..

For junkies, we could provide some remote reasonably pleasant place without modern weapons, like an island where input output would be carefully police controlled and require pre-exit blood tests for drugs. With limited oversight, we would let the junkies set up there own security, government, and law. Heck if they wanted legal gambling and prostitution, we'd let them run with it. But no outside visitors looking for entertainment. If they get out of hand, the international community via the UN would step in strongly. For those wanting to go back to society with the rest of us, they would need to be sober XXX days as set up by consensus.
 
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Drug addicts, the usual heroin-crack-meth users should be dealt with like the medical / mental patients that they are. Law & order lock 'em up does not solve the problem, but some politicians preach that approach because it's popular. Society's drug abuse problem is best handled by health care practitioners.

Drug dealers can continue to draw lengthy prison sentences.
 
Agree for the most part that health care practitioners are a primary part running that societal process, so we can help those who allow. But after strike 3 playing the smiling dishonest attitude game, regardless of usual lack of self-control addict excuses, getting in the way of the rest of us, in our faces, whatever that is, time for a visit to the island. If some rich person gets in that position, they can send them first to their own rehab facility. Whatever works and makes sense.
 
Drug addicts, the usual heroin-crack-meth users should be dealt with like the medical / mental patients that they are. Law & order lock 'em up does not solve the problem, but some politicians preach that approach because it's popular. Society's drug abuse problem is best handled by health care practitioners.

Drug dealers can continue to draw lengthy prison sentences.
I agree with health care taking care of the drug addicts as long as it's not our local hospitals, especially tying up the ER rooms which is happening far too much. Addicts & people with mental issues don't need to be in the jails either as they aren't equipped to deal with these problems.

It's long overdue that we revamp our mental health system & have institutions to house them.
 
Unless you're willing and able to fund treatment programs for people, then decriminalization won't work. We must also accept that some people don't ever want to get off their drugs. Others will continue to act like idiots. Expecting it to solve all drug problems is foolish.

Throwing drugs addicts in prison doesn't do much. For a start, there are drugs in prison, they just cost a lot more. Secondly, cops are tied up dealing with people for small amounts of possession, when their time would be better spent elsewhere. Thirdly, the War on Drugs isn't exactly working either.
 
"Laws" will never cure drug addiction....just as Prohibition never curbed alcoholism. Prohibition made the Mafia wealthy, and today, the Mexican drug cartels are becoming millionaires. Stupid people will Always seek drugs and booze, etc., to fill the vacuum between their ears.
 
More lenient drug laws only make the problem of drug addiction more visible. You don't have to hide drug use from the cops. Both locking them up for life and giving them new syringes do nothing to treat drug addiction.
Some courts are imposing mandatory drug rehab for repeat drug offenders who are sentenced to jail or prison. After completing the rehab program the offender is eligible for early release plus up to 10 years probation, depending on the offense. They must test clean while on probation or else they have to go back and complete their sentence plus added time for a new drug charge.

I should look up how that's working. I'll bet a lot of them stop showing up for the tests after a while.
 

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