Elementary School Shooting in Uvalde Texas

[JustBonee]

NRA convention in Houston tomorrow. The only time guns won't be allowed is when Trump is speaking. Wow! The NRA is banning guns. This flies in the face of the safest places are those where guns are allowed. Such hypocrisy because with so many good guys with guns, any bad guy would be put down instantly.

Crazy!
There are plenty of people pulling out of this, but apparently not enough to close down the convention. Sad

 

[hollydolly]

Today, Thursday ..... another death attributed to the school shootings ..

The husband of a teacher slain in Tuesday's shooting in Ulvade, Texas, suffered a fatal heart attack Thursday.

Joe Garcia was the husband of Irma Garcia, one of the two teachers murdered in Salvador Ramos' attack on Robb Elementary School Tuesday, according to FOX San Antonio reporter Ernie Zuniga.

Joe and Irma leave behind four children.

This is beyond tragic... this man who would have wanted to live for his own children was hit with such grief, that likely caused his heart attack... the poor man, the poor kids... but at least he's now with his wife again...bless them both... if it hadn't been for a piece of scum these children wouldn't be orphans now.. ..

 

[Jace]

Today, Thursday ..... another death attributed to the school shootings ..

The husband of a teacher slain in Tuesday's shooting in Ulvade, Texas, suffered a fatal heart attack Thursday.

Joe Garcia was the husband of Irma Garcia, one of the two teachers murdered in Salvador Ramos' attack on Robb Elementary School Tuesday, according to FOX San Antonio reporter Ernie Zuniga.

Joe and Irma leave behind four children.

Sad, sad, sad!

 

[MrWhit]

Again, I will say these people are ill. If you are diagnosed with a disease you should be given treatment not left alone. I hate that these things keep happening, it is a horrible thing. Yes it would be better if they took their own lives and no else. Yet this still happens because society if not paying attention and getting them treatment.

What do you think about all of these video game? Are we as parents aware of the violence that the children of today are engaged in. From what little I know about it, those games don't teach the children to value life.

 

[Pepper]

What do you think about all of these video game? Are we as parents aware of the violence that the children of today are engaged in. From what little I know about it, those games don't teach the children to value life.

We're their grandparents, not their parents. It's up to Mom & Dad, although kids will play the games at their friends' if denied it at home.

I honestly don't think the games are a factor for the overwhelming majority of kids who play them. In the 1950s there were Senate hearings on the juvenile delinquents who read comic books, and how bad comics were for society.

 

[MrWhit]

I've got to get off of here for a while and try to think about something else.

 

[MrWhit]

We're their grandparents, not their parents. It's up to Mom & Dad, although kids will play the games at their friends' if denied it at home.

I honestly don't think the games are a factor for the overwhelming majority of kids who play them. In the 1950s there were Senate hearings on the juvenile delinquents who read comic books, and how bad comics were for society.

We're their grandparents, not their parents. It's up to Mom & Dad, although kids will play the games at their friends' if denied it at home.

I honestly don't think the games are a factor for the overwhelming majority of kids who play them. In the 1950s there were Senate hearings on the juvenile delinquents who read comic books, and how bad comics were for society.

You are probably right, still, we had better pay attention. A week ago no one was worried about what this man would do. Anyone's child might be shot, but the shooter will be someone's son. The parents of the boys in Jonesboro left the guns unlocked. But, it was likely the fathers that taught them to use them and never would have believed what might happen.

 

[Nosy Bee-54]

ETA

 

[StarSong]

We're their grandparents, not their parents. It's up to Mom & Dad, although kids will play the games at their friends' if denied it at home.

I honestly don't think the games are a factor for the overwhelming majority of kids who play them. In the 1950s there were Senate hearings on the juvenile delinquents who read comic books, and how bad comics were for society.

Back in the 1950s my brother and his male friends all went to bed at night with their cowboy belts still on their hips or hanging on the bedpost close at hand. None of them grew up to be mass murderers.

 

[morgan]

Something very wrong here. An 18 year old goes into a gun shop and buys two deadly weapons and in the space of a few days collects enough ammo to kill dozens. No questions asked. How come? Laws in the US need to be tightened, starting with the creeps who are allowed to sell these guns. Why does anyone need an assault weapon unless they are going into battle.

 

[Tish]

Tightened ? What exactly does that mean ? You do not live here, do you even know our gun laws ?

I am not disputing your right to bear arms, I am just saying that some of you do not have the mental capacity to own a weapon responsibly.
That is very evident in all the mass shootings you have.
A Phycological evaluation before owning a weapon should be part of the application!

 

[ElCastor]

Since you seem to have some (limited) firearms knowledge, you should know that shotguns have very limited capacity. That is why all police vehicles (including motorcycles) have AR15's.
My custom Remington 870, even with an extended magazine only holds 6. Buckshot is more powerful, but it doesn't solve the problem of limited capacity.
I already live in a safe neighborhood - whatever that means.
As a law-abiding citizen, I deserve (and am entitled to) the same edge as a criminal.

Hmmm. Looks like the police just added one more AR15 to their collection. "Police in the Dallas suburb of Richardson found a pistol and a replica AR-15 in a teen's car parked outside a high school Wednesday, the day after an 18-year-old gunned down 19 students and two teachers at a Uvalde, Texas, elementary school. The teen, who is not being identified, was arrested and charged with unlawful carrying of weapons in a weapon-free school zone, a felony, according to the Richardson Police Department."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/p...h-school-day-after-uvalde-shooting/ar-AAXLxya

I'll try to be polite. Were it up to me, every assault rifle and AR15 would be melted down for scrap, and after a well publicized period anyone found to be in possession of one would be given a free room in Sing Sing.

 

[Warrigal]

From today's Washington Post:

Why Nothing Will Change After Uvalde
By Brian Broome

Nobody’s going to do anything, right? I’m betting you already know, in the wake of the deaths of 19 children at an elementary school in Texas, that nobody is going to do a single thing.
Oh, yes, for a while, people will stand behind microphones. Some will be sincere. There will be a vigil, maybe many vigils. Perhaps some balloons will be released into the air. But no one will do anything substantial about the reality that, in the United States, you can pick up a gun and mow down people for no reason.

The fact of the matter is that nobody has done anything since Columbine in 1999, or Virginia Tech in 2007, or Sandy Hook in 2012, or Parkland in 2018, and there’s virtually no chance that anyone is going to do anything now. It doesn’t matter that it’s children we’re talking about again. Nothing happened after innocent children were slaughtered the last time, or the time before that, and nothing is going to be done now. Nothing happens after it occurs in elementary schools, or grocery stores, college campuses or churches. Instead, we always defer to those whose fears outweigh others’ right to continue living.

The gun is a holy relic in America. A sacred talisman. More important than life itself.
We are living in a twisted version of “The Lottery,” the classic short story by Shirley Jackson. In the story, the residents of a small fictional town hurry about their day preparing for a big ceremony, which is slowly revealed to be a ritual human sacrifice. Death by stoning. Each year, someone is chosen at random to die, for the good of the town. So that the rest of the townspeople can feel safe. Perhaps so that their god can be appeased, or good crops can be enjoyed.


That’s where we live now. We live in a culture where human beings are randomly chosen to die so that those who feel unseen or who fear the unknown or just love guns don’t have to feel afraid.

But our sacrifices aren’t yearly. They’re daily. One right after the other. Unlike the characters in Jackson’s story, the people who die in our tale lost their humanity long ago and are immortalized only as statistics. Numbers to be added up.


Those of us who survive get to shake our heads and ask “Why?” while secretly just feeling lucky that it wasn’t us or someone we love who had to pay the price. This is also why nothing will be done. Because it didn’t affect us. We can push it out of our minds and say what a great tragedy it is. But we don’t have to do much else.
We won’t do anything because those among us who think their fears and their rights are the same thing hold all the cards. Because those who believe a boogeyman is lurking around every corner have agents walking the halls of our government to ensure that these shootings change nothing. We rarely note that most of these shooters are men who are angry and antisocial. And, unless we come up with a cure for angry and antisocial men and boys, these mass murders will continue.

We won’t do anything about this problem because we are not the land of the free and home of the brave that we think we are. We have that backward: America is the land of the fearful and trapped. We don’t feel our children are safe. We don’t think we can change this dreadful landscape. But we’ll watch politicians make speeches. We’ll see all the memes on social media and read all the opinion pieces from people like me. But, in the end, we’ll move on until there are new human sacrifices to make us forget about the old ones.
Because it’s important that the fearful feel safe. And we’re all fair game to be sacrificed.

Bravo. However words are not enough. The people need to stand together and demand action.

 

[morgan]

We're their grandparents, not their parents. It's up to Mom & Dad, although kids will play the games at their friends' if denied it at home.

I honestly don't think the games are a factor for the overwhelming majority of kids who play them. In the 1950s there were Senate hearings on the juvenile delinquents who read comic books, and how bad comics were for society.

It takes more than parents and grandparents to bring up a child. It takes a village, a town and a city. Violent video games play a huge part in shaping a child's thinking, it is up to everyone to do their bit.

 

[Don M.]

More details are coming in about this tragedy, every passing hour. I can't understand why it took so long for the police to take any meaningful action. They were alerted when the grandmother was shot, people were shot at when the lunatic crashed his truck at the funeral home, and he wandered around, and into the school, shooting more rounds. Then, when the police finally Did arrive, they spun their wheels for an excessive amount of time before they even began to take action. What a fiasco!!

 

[Nosy Bee-54]

First, it's easier for cops to shoot unarmed suspects. Happens all the time and the cops claim they feared for their lives. Now, I hearing that the Uvalde cops claimed they did not have the training for an active shooter. If that's true, how the heck do Texas legislators expect armed teachers to take out a shooter?

 

[Nosy Bee-54]

"A law enforcement source told CBS News that the shooter entered the school with seven loaded magazines that is 210 rounds (30 rounds to each magazine). In addition in his backpack, he had more than 15 additional magazines which would translate to another 450 rounds.

To put it in perspective: according to the source, the amount of ammunition that Ramos brought with him is double what an average US Soldier would go into basic combat with. A US soldier generally has seven magazines, one mag in the weapon and six spare magazines giving the soldier a total of 210 rounds."

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/l...lice/273-cbf0d9be-d042-4557-a360-e2a3ad944a10

 

[dseag2]

"A law enforcement source told CBS News that the shooter entered the school with seven loaded magazines that is 210 rounds (30 rounds to each magazine). In addition in his backpack, he had more than 15 additional magazines which would translate to another 450 rounds.

To put it in perspective: according to the source, the amount of ammunition that Ramos brought with him is double what an average US Soldier would go into basic combat with. A US soldier generally has seven magazines, one mag in the weapon and six spare magazines giving the soldier a total of 210 rounds."

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/l...lice/273-cbf0d9be-d042-4557-a360-e2a3ad944a10

 

[win231]

Not a pretty picture of the police response from all the reports coming out today.

Exactly why so many people are gun owners.

 

[win231]

Hmmm. Looks like the police just added one more AR15 to their collection. "Police in the Dallas suburb of Richardson found a pistol and a replica AR-15 in a teen's car parked outside a high school Wednesday, the day after an 18-year-old gunned down 19 students and two teachers at a Uvalde, Texas, elementary school. The teen, who is not being identified, was arrested and charged with unlawful carrying of weapons in a weapon-free school zone, a felony, according to the Richardson Police Department."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/p...h-school-day-after-uvalde-shooting/ar-AAXLxya

I'll try to be polite. Were it up to me, every assault rifle and AR15 would be melted down for scrap, and after a well publicized period anyone found to be in possession of one would be given a free room in Sing Sing.

^^^^ When you have no valid response, digress.

 

[todalake]

In Texas have to be 21 to buy a beer but only 18 to buy an AR-15 assult rifle. Something wrong with that picture.

 

[SeniorBen]

In Texas have to be 21 to buy a beer but only 18 to buy an AR-15 assult rifle. Something wrong with that picture.

I believe AR-15 ownership falls under hunting rifle laws. Because of that, people can't buy a pistol until they're 21, but they can buy an AR-15 at 18.

I'm not saying, that's right or sane or the way it should be. Apparently, that's the way the majority of people in Texas want their laws structured.

 

[ElCastor]

^^^^ When you have no valid response, digress.

I apologize if I appeared to evade your point, which I believe was that the AR-15, and other assault rifles are considerably more effective in home defense than a shotgun. Very true, and very effective, but then so would a Browning M1919 machine gun or a fully automatic assault rifle. What do you think -- should full automatics be legal? I don't, but do you? Why?

 

[win231]

I apologize if I appeared to evade your point, which I believe was that the AR-15, and other assault rifles are considerably more effective in home defense than a shotgun. Very true, and very effective, but then so would a Browning M1919 machine gun or a fully automatic assault rifle. What do you think -- should full automatics be legal? I don't, but do you? Why?

If you're not kidding.....No. A Browning M1919 fires cartridges that have way too much power for a house gun due to excessive penetration. And at 30 lbs, how would you carry it around?
Re: Fully Automatic Rifles, they wouldn't be a good choice, either. They use up ammo very quickly & they are designed for the battlefield - to spray a general area where the enemy might be to force him out of cover.
As for legality of full auto firearms, in many states, people can own one after a background check & special licensing & tax stamp - very expensive:

 

[hollydolly]

Uvalde police are facing new criticism over first-hand accounts and videos showing them handcuffing and restraining frantic parents, who were urging them to storm the Robb Elementary school building amid the massacre.

'The police were doing nothing,' Angeli Rose Gomez told the Wall Street Journal. 'They were just standing outside the fence. They weren't going in there or running anywhere.'

Gomez has two children in second and third grade and she reportedly drove 40 miles to the school after hearing of the attack.

She was one of the desperate parents who encouraged police with increasing urgency to enter the school.

Eventually, federal marshals put Gomez in handcuffs and told her she was under arrest for intervening in an active investigation, the Wall Street Journal reported.

Angeli Gomez (above) jumped the school fence and ran inside the school where she rescued her children herself
Gomez said she was able to convince a Uvalde officer whom she knew to have the marshal free her and she took the opportunity to move away from the crowd, jump the school fence, and ran inside the school where she rescued her children herself.

She said that other parents also trying to get to their kids were tackled and even pepper-sprayed by police.

Angel Garza, whose daughter was killed, was handcuffed after trying to run into the school when he heard that a 'girl called Amerie' had been shot.

Garza later told his heartbreaking story to Anderson Cooper.

He explained that when he arrived on the scene he tried to help a young girl covered in blood, because he is a trained medic.

The girl explained she wasn't hurt and the blood was from her best friend 'Amerie.' It was then that Angel realized the blood he was looking at came from his own daughter.

He later found out that she was among those who died.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...g-cops-storm-school-rescued-kids-herself.html