End of the Womanly Woman

Aunt Marg

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In keeping with the same theme as SeaBreeze's thread... "end of the manly man", found here - https://www.seniorforums.com/threads/end-of-the-manly-man.2319/

I'll start. When I was growing up (1960's), regardless of whether a woman was a fulltime homemaker, a fulltime stay-at-home mother, or whether she held down a fulltime or part-time job, women looked good and carried themselves well.

Hair and makeup, impeccable, their dress, clean, neat, and stylish, their fingernails, manicured and painted... a definite stark difference to that of what I often observe today.

Children were always dressed nice, they were kept clean and fed, they were well-mannered, respectful, and more often than not, children were seen, not heard... a reflection as to how women themselves were back in the day, the values they lived by, in addition to the values they instilled upon their children... boy, have times ever changed.

Homes were meticulous, the laundry washed, dried, stacked, folded, and neatly stowed away, everything was organized, homemade meals were prepared from scratch and with pride, and all was served within a specific timeframe in accordance with the day. i.e. Children arrived home from school at such and such a time... the man of the house arrived home from his day in the office at such and such a time.

There was no need for a man of the house to hold the woman of the family's hand (figuratively speaking), for the woman ensured all in the home was taken care of, and she took her job seriously, and she did it without whining or complaining. She made sure she lived up to her end of things, and she was always together.

She mended, fixed, repaired, and altered clothing, she canned, cooked, baked, took care of the children, and cleaned, and if that weren't enough, she took care of the shopping and bill paying, too. The womanly woman really was on top of her game.

I know, because my own mother was a womanly woman, and they just don't make them like that anymore, and the ones that exist today are few and far between... a rarity.
 

I know personally I don't have time to fiddle with make-up considering the work I do. Plus we're not allowed to wear nail polish and my hair is shoved under a paper bonnet all day. I don't go anywhere of any substance so I have no need to dress up. I figure if my hair is done and I'm in actual clothes that's good enough. Plus have you seen the prices of make-up anymore?
 
Aunt Marg: You're describing my Mother. Soft-spoken, graceful, gracious, kind. She worked as a tailor and took care of the home. She designed dresses and was an amazing landscape painter. I remember seeing her with other women and I was so proud of the feminine and thoughtful ways of her. Her nylons were always straight, her pillbox hat, her clothing impeccable She didn't gossip or complain.
She took care of business and always made my Dad feel important.

Yes, These are not the 50's, but why do we have to give up some of the wonderful things we treasured back then? I'm not talking about make-up. Yes, Ladys today have different responsibilities and MORE duties to engage in. Can't we keep our sweetness and femininity at the same time? Can't we treat our men like MEN?

I know we wear pants instead of dresses now, but, can't we be powerful ,intelligent, adventurous and creative without losing being a lady?
haha! (not that I am those things, but it's something to aspire to).
 

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Aunt Marg: You're describing my Mother. Soft-spoken, graceful, gracious, kind. She worked as a tailor and took care of the home. She designed dresses and was an amazing landscape painter. I remember seeing her with other women and I was so proud of the feminine and thoughtful ways of her. Her nylons were always straight, her pillbox hat, her clothing impeccable She didn't gossip or complain.
She took care of business and always made my Dad feel important.

Yes, These are not the 50's, but why do we have to give up some of the wonderful things we treasured back then? I'm not talking about make-up. Yes, Ladys today have different responsibilities and MORE duties to engage in. Can't we keep our sweetness and femininity at the same time? Can't we treat our men like MEN?

I know we wear pants instead of dresses now, but, can't we be powerful ,intelligent, adventurous and creative without losing being a lady?
haha! (not that I am those things, but it's something to aspire to).
Probably part of it is due to the fact that men these days no longer treat women like ladies. They treat us like tramps.
 
I've noticed that! Why do you thingk that is?
I don't know but I'm not getting all dolled up and acting all ladylike for some jacka** that's just gonna take me to McDonald's IF I'm lucky and then expect "entertainment" afterwords. The line of respect has been horribly blurred. And since I live alone and have to take care of myself...I'm not too worried about what men think of me. Especially when so many of them aren't worth the time of day.
 
I don't know but I'm not getting all dolled up and acting all ladylike for some jacka** that's just gonna take me to McDonald's IF I'm lucky and then expect "entertainment" afterwords. The line of respect has been horribly blurred. And since I live alone and have to take care of myself...I'm not too worried about what men think of me. Especially when so many of them aren't worth the time of day.
Well said! I'm alone too, but I don't date. What you are saying is perfectly understandable.
Maybe instead of asking, "Where are the REAL men," we should ask "Where are the QUALITY men?"
It would be different if we had a man we could really respect and honor. IMO.
 
It's funny how this brought back a memory of my friend's Mom when we were growing up. Every night before her husband came home from work she would fix herself up. Do her hair, put on her makeup, and a pretty dress. We found out years later that the whole time she was doing that he was dating other women and even had a room he rented to entertain himself with the ladies.
 
Aunt Marg: You're describing my Mother. Soft-spoken, graceful, gracious, kind. She worked as a tailor and took care of the home. She designed dresses and was an amazing landscape painter. I remember seeing her with other women and I was so proud of the feminine and thoughtful ways of her. Her nylons were always straight, her pillbox hat, her clothing impeccable She didn't gossip or complain.
She took care of business and always made my Dad feel important.

Yes, These are not the 50's, but why do we have to give up some of the wonderful things we treasured back then? I'm not talking about make-up. Yes, Ladys today have different responsibilities and MORE duties to engage in. Can't we keep our sweetness and femininity at the same time? Can't we treat our men like MEN?

I know we wear pants instead of dresses now, but, can't we be powerful ,intelligent, adventurous and creative without losing being a lady?
haha! (not that I am those things, but it's something to aspire to).
What a beautiful picture of your mom, Gaer!

Wow, she looks like she could have been a movie star.

I embrace all that you mentioned, and it's exactly how I remember the days when I was growing up.

So much of what I see nowadays reflects... I don't care. The manner in which women dress, the way they carry themselves, their actions, their inability to properly manage and see to a home. Not at all indicative of how it should be IMO, regardless of equality, etc.
 
What a beautiful picture of your mom, Gaer!

Wow, she looks like she could have been a movie star.

I embrace all that you mentioned, and it's exactly how I remember the days when I was growing up.

So much of what I see nowadays reflects... I don't care. The manner in which women dress, the way they carry themselves, their actions, their inability to properly manage and see to a home. Not at all indicative of how it should be IMO, regardless of equality, etc.
I don't think that it's that they can't manage. I just think their priorities have changed.
 
Probably part of it is due to the fact that men these days no longer treat women like ladies. They treat us like tramps.
In some regards there's a reason for such, Marci.

When the movement began where women wanted equal rights... the right to spearhead companies and corporations, to be presidents and CEO's, to take out their motorcycles on the weekend and go riding with the boys, to tag along with men to taverns and pubs and drink bear and smoke cigars, well there's a cost that came with the tag on that.

When women act like men and seek to look like men, sooner or later men are going to start treating them like men.

When I was growing up, men held a high regard for housewives, and Mrs., so and so across the street, or Mrs., so and so down the way, were looked up to, they were respected. They were no-nonsense type women. You never seen them hanging out in bars and pubs or gallivanting around town with pants three sizes too small showing off their cracks, or their boobs hanging out, they were at home holding down the fort and caring for their families, but they still kept themselves looking smart.

Nowadays? I have very little to say related to nowadays, and what I do have to say isn't good.
 
I know personally I don't have time to fiddle with make-up considering the work I do. Plus we're not allowed to wear nail polish and my hair is shoved under a paper bonnet all day. I don't go anywhere of any substance so I have no need to dress up. I figure if my hair is done and I'm in actual clothes that's good enough. Plus have you seen the prices of make-up anymore?
I think that's great, you work for a living, and from reading your entry, I see you as doing your best to be your best. (y)
 
In some regards there's a reason for such, Marci.

When the movement began where women wanted equal rights... the right to spearhead companies and corporations, to be presidents and CEO's, to take out their motorcycles on the weekend and go riding with the boys, to tag along with men to taverns and pubs and drink bear and smoke cigars, well there's a cost that came with the tag on that.

When women act like men and seek to look like men, sooner or later men are going to start treating them like men.

When I was growing up, men held a high regard for housewives, and Mrs., so and so across the street, or Mrs., so and so down the way, were looked up to, they were respected. They were no-nonsense type women. You never seen them hanging out in bars and pubs or gallivanting around town with pants three sizes too small showing off their cracks, or their boobs hanging out, they were at home holding down the fort and caring for their families, but they still kept themselves looking smart.

Nowadays? I have very little to say related to nowadays, and what I do have to say isn't good.
Well if I had to choose between having coffee with a bunch of ladies or having a beer with the guys...the ladies would not be seeing me. If I was capable of a motorcycle I'd rather ride than crochet with the ladies.
 

End of the Womanly Woman​

I know, because my own mother was a womanly woman, and they just don't make them like that anymore, and the ones that exist today are few and far between... a rarity.

That's my lady

She's done it all
Loved it

Home was made
By her

No shenanigans
I could not wait to get home

my woman.jpg




Even at the cabin, she maintained everything, making a camp a home (I really needed that)

All the while keeping herself together (I had a hard time keeping up)

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Been 52 years


Now that I'm retired and home, I don't care to go anywhere, neither does she

We spoil each other rotten


As for wimin that wanna be men, and men that wanna be wimin.....
Well, its no wonder society is so freaking screwed up
 
I don't think that it's that they can't manage. I just think their priorities have changed.
A number of years ago, a new hire graced the office where my husband works, he was a young man (married) with a young family.

As to be expected, my husband came home daily with stories surrounding the goings-on in the office, and had it not been my husband telling me the stories, I wouldn't have believed them.

Nonetheless, the wife would call the office regularly and complain to her husband that she couldn't control the kids, was struggling with this, and having a hard time with that, and could he pick up this after work, or pick up that after work, and could he bring home some take-out for supper, and could he drop in to this shop or that shop to check on this and check on that.

Manage? Priorities? I should say so. Someone in that family had a lot to learn, and some serious growing up to do.
 
It's funny how this brought back a memory of my friend's Mom when we were growing up. Every night before her husband came home from work she would fix herself up. Do her hair, put on her makeup, and a pretty dress. We found out years later that the whole time she was doing that he was dating other women and even had a room he rented to entertain himself with the ladies.
How sad.

While no generation was, or ever will be perfect, what I'm seeing today leaves much to be desired.
 

End of the Womanly Woman​



That's my lady

She's done it all
Loved it

Home was made
By her

No shenanigans
I could not wait to get home

View attachment 150555




Even at the cabin, she maintained everything, making a camp a home (I really needed that)

All the while keeping herself together (I had a hard time keeping up)

View attachment 150556

Been 52 years


Now that I'm retired and home, I don't care to go anywhere, neither does she

We spoil each other rotten


As for wimin that wanna be men, and men that wanna be wimin.....
Well, its no wonder society is so freaking screwed up
Your entry is so beautiful, Gary.

So heartwarming to know of the appreciation and love you hold for your wife.
 
Today in the local news, there was a report that a 12 or 13 year old kid was picked up for the 6th time for armed car jacking. The mother, on camera, complained and blamed it on the juvenile system, saying that the kid needed to be mentored and raised right and it is up to the juvenile system to do that because she can't. Reading and listening to that reminded me of what Aunt Marg has been saying. What ever happened to the parents being responsible for raising their kids?

How is it that when I was a kid in Catholic school, there were ALWAYS 60 kids in a classroom and either a nun or a lay teacher was responsible for teaching the class and maintaining order. The kids always scored quite high in the Iowa tests that were administered every year.

These days the teachers are complaining if the class size even approaches 30. It seems that parents are not allowed to discipline their own children anymore, nor are the schools. This, then, is the result. Giving a kid a paddling is a far cry from abuse and it used to be the parents' role to raise their kids with discipline as well as to take an active role in their schooling by showing up for parent-teacher conferences and such.

Now, with both parents working, they don't seem to have the time for these things and their hands are tied for fear of having their kids taken away. Yes, times have changed. I have talked to a number of people who are (or were) teachers in elementary through high school and they ALL complain that the kids are out of control as they have never seen before.

Tony
 
when I see women walking in front of me, I don't know
what they are thanks to the jeans and the trainers, they
all walk like men and from the back look like men.

There were some in the past who wouldn't believe that
I could cook, because they couldn't.

I like a woman to be feminine and ladylike, anything else
is not so nice.

Mike.
 

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