Experienced an Epiphany, Now I Need to Vent.

dko1951

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Experienced an Epiphany, Now I must vent

While reading another thread on SF I had an epiphany. They wrote about when we were younger that time the trades were considered a respectful career path. Those are not the exact words, but they are what I came away with. It is true. People that worked at trades and became proficient were considered masters or craftsmen. I spent my entire life in the trades and was considered, by my peers and clients, to be the best. I loved my work and never dreamed of retirement. I was so fortunate to have been able to do this for most of my life and I return to a book with Joe Campbell, “The Power of Myth.” There was a line he would often use throughout his life,” follow your bliss”. I am so fortunate to have had that in my life and wonder, how many others can say that? My dream was that someone would find me dead on the floor while doing what I enjoyed. My dream didn’t come true and I was taken out by unforeseen medical issues. My body isn’t capable of doing what it once did. I once made beautiful furniture and created beautiful finishes that made each piece a work of art. I could recreate appliques in perfect detail, and carve original pieces of wood and stone that were simply put, beautiful. Please understand, I am not bragging, only painting a picture for my venting.
Now that I am just an old man to my children and those in their age group, it has been a difficult place to come to accept that what was once an honorable and respected profession is looked at as nothing more than a common laborer. People today, and really for many years prior, do not understand what quality and artistic work is. IKEA is the standard when evaluating quality and then it goes up a notch to some other chain of suppliers. There is this idea among the younger people that if you watch a YouTube video then you are a master at that trade.if you are successful with the final outcome.
When I moved into a small room in my daughter and her husband’s backyard, my son-in-law went out and bought a couple of thousand dollars in woodworking tools. When starting a project he would ask me questions for direction and inevitably end up going on YouTube and following the advice from those videos. I have watched many and came to the conclusion that most are low level, only slightly knowledgeable but provide easy quick ways of doing what he wanted. There are many talented people that post on the site, I am saying that most would not be considered masters or craftsmen. The work he has done is functional and will be replaced, some as I write this, in time. He no longer uses any of the tools, many having been loaned out to friends. (I came to a realization that my son-in-law did all of this to prove to my daughter, his wife, that he could do what I did. Kind of like a competition. I had a talk with him and said that I’m her father, she chose you to be her husband, not mentioning my thoughts regarding competition. That was when he stopped using the tools.)
I never had dreams of being wealthy and was very content with having everything we needed. We enjoyed a comfortable life, owned a home with two cars in the garage, a dog and cat, vacations, all the things most would be happy with.
I mention this as it is part of my epiphany. My children and their friends seem obsessed with having and doing all they can. They are all, by appearances, doing well financially. They all speak of the injustices and inequalities and do nothing more than talk. When I recall the sixties and early seventies, it seems there was more action than words, maybe close, with peaceful anti-war protests, (other than the military killing four students at Kent State during a protest that began peacefully and became combative when the National Guard arrived) equal rights for women and minorities, the beginning of the awareness of the environment issues. People took action and now, I feel, that most have become complacent and we are watching everything that was gained disappearing. There, I’ve vented and don’t feel any better. Well, maybe a little.
 

I understand what you are saying. Ever since the 80's the corporations started taking control of government. Remember they are even considered a individual person now! There use to be a much higher tax on the wealthy, but that has almost disappeared because of all the loop holes and off shore stuff. Who can beat the big corps. We bail them out even. Wall street...big car and other corps make humongous profits, but they do not let that "trickle" down. The mid-term elections and then the 2024 presidential elections will show the world if we are going to take care of all americans or what will probably happen is a lot of promises, but nothing will be done....no action just like you said. We don't have much time to turn the tide...or a tsunami is just off shore.
 
You are rightly proud of your skills. It is a pity that these days people have lost the sense of pride they used to have. On the domestic front, most women made things for their home, and knitted and sewed for their families. I'm pleased that those old crafts are having a comeback. I'm surrounded by things which I have made and it feels good to say, 'Yes I made that'.
I recently bought a cuckoo clock which was made in the Black Forest. It was expensive and I was expecting something hand carved. I was disappointed to find that it was obviously machine made, although based on a hand-made original.
It does seem unfair that wealth is admired more than skill.
 

Well, I believe you will keep all the 'talents",' knowledge", and "skills" you have retained through all future lifetimes.
Your incredible furniture is known in the heavens. Your skills have not been wasted because it's not appreciated
here on Earth. All the wisdom from Joseph Campbell will be remembered and utilized.
As you evolve in the soul, all your skills will be used again for higher and higher purposes.
The qualities of the soul you have attained will not only remain, but grow.
Everything may not be attained now. Time actually doesn't exist in the absolute.
Multiple lives might enjoy your creations. Multiple heavenly worlds might know of your designs.
As we all grow through these lives into being closer and closer to the absolute, more and more
wonders, miracles, joys, will also be ours. We will know incredible wonders!
 
Vent away!
when we were younger that time the trades were considered a respectful career path
I think they still are, or should be.

I have some old wood furniture that needs repair/restoration work, sure wish I could find someone like you here. The only guy I know is a bit like you, getting older and having trouble doing much work. Other than that there are a few handyman types, but no real craftsmen I can find.
 
You and all other skilled craftsmen and blue collar workers still have my respect. I have no need of an overpaid sports star, or actor, or social media influencer, etc. But a honest, knowledgeable, plumber, electrician, mechanic, carpenter are worth their weight in gold.

If a monster storm or flood comes through I want to see the guy that knows how to handle a chainsaw coming down my drive, not the millionaire hedge fund manager.

A lot of young people could have avoided the student loan trap if they had considered training in a trade.
 
Vent away!

I think they still are, or should be.

I have some old wood furniture that needs repair/restoration work, sure wish I could find someone like you here. The only guy I know is a bit like you, getting older and having trouble doing much work. Other than that there are a few handyman types, but no real craftsmen I can find.
Yeah, I was a dinosaur back in the day. It's been this way for many moons.
 
Now that I am just an old man to my children and those in their age group, it has been a difficult place to come to accept that what was once an honorable and respected profession is looked at as nothing more than a common laborer.
I'd definitely blame big companies for that, it is the attitude of most management that all the work is simple and the employees are just replaceable pieces.
I searched on YouTube to see if anyone was pushing against the tide, and this guy is apparently trying. I don't feel a lot of optimism for his vision, but you never know.

 
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Well, the trend of craftsmanship no longer being admired has been going on for a long time. When I was growing up in the future home of Silicon Valley way back in the 50s and 60s, someone who worked with their hands was looked down upon. Boys no longer had to take shop class in high school--they did when my older brother was in h.s. but not by the time I got there--at the h.s. I attended, a teacher was asked why the school no longer administered aptitude tests; he replied, "Why the hell would you even want to know if you were good at [said sneeringly] working with your hands?! You can't earn a decent living doing that! The only tools any young man needs to learn how to use is a slide rule and a dictaphone." He was right about the earning a decent living part; even back then, a handyman/manual labor type job would only get you a small apartment; if you wanted a house and wife & kids, you'd most likely need to go to college--yeah even back then--and then work in a defense contracting industry office. I even remember one or more of my h.s. teachers saying stuff like, "All you kids are gonna end up working in an office, that's the way things are now."
 
I'd definitely blame big companies for that, it is the attitude of most management that all the work is simple and the employees are just replaceable pieces.
I searched on YouTube to see if anyone was pushing against the tide, and this guy is apparently trying. I don't feel a lot of optimism for his vision, but you never know.

So great see young people embracing the art and so beautifully. Thank you.
 
I watched the 50 year anniversary of This Old House this evening and was thinking the same thing about how trades are no longer valued like they were 50 years ago. The show was immediately popular and grew in viewership until it was the most popular PBS show on the air.

For those of you who never watched This Old House, the cast was made up of trade workers... two carpenters, a plumber, a horticulture guy, an electrician... I don't remember who else, plus the host who was the personality guy. Every week they'd undertake a home renovation project and divulge trade secrets. Most people who watched probably only went as far as maybe painting a room in their house, but there's something relaxing about watching skilled people work, which may be why the show became so popular.

The first episode aired in the late '70s. Bob Vila was the original host. Blue collar work was still respected back then. I think things changed radically during the '90s when we had the tech boom. A lot of the highly skilled trades are now obsolete and can be performed with robotics and CNC machines. Before then, it took a lot of skill to build something like a guitar or other musical instrument. Now it's almost all automated, and the quality is more consistent and better. That's progress, I guess.
 
Sorry, but I see this a little differently. Around here (northern California) a lawn doesn't get mowed, an egg fried, a roof installed or repaired, house painted, a supermarket stocked, or a fence built unless some or all of the workers speak Spanish. I employed a fence builder of Mexican extraction 30 years ago. He, and all his workers were from south of the border. Today it is advertised as a Mexican family owned business, employs a fleet of trucks, and of course has its own web site. I remember shopping in a local hardware store 20 years ago and on the counter was a book -- 1,000 construction words and phrases in Spanish. The world is changing. Those millions pouring across the border are coming here to work, and the trades are right down their alley. Last I checked, corporations were not tasked with securing the border.
 
Society has increasingly drifted during my lifetime into a throwaway culture mode with quality craftsmanship and sadly people, too…seen as items readily replaceable in the names of cost efficiency and the acquisition of “the newest thing.” My parents, for example, used the same furniture during their 50+ year marriage; they simply had it reupholstered from time to time, a practice which is now uncommon. Good luck even finding a reupholstery shop with quality craftsmen today!

When they passed on a sturdy oak dining room table for a steel and glass one in later life, that replacement looked cheap to me, a generic thing machine manufactured that might last for years but not decades. It was a thing without soul or character…
 
My grandfather was a cabinet maker. He and my father equipped a work room down in the basement and turned out some really nice stuff. They let me watch them work until it was time to turn on the table saw! Then I was ushered out. I guess that's where my love of woodworking comes from.

Nowadays, so much furniture is laminated or made from pressed wood, you can't refinish it...just throw it out.

I enjoy the restoration shows on TV where they actually try to save the old woodwork, cabinets, floors, etc. So many of those other shows just rip everything out or (gasp!) paint everything and totally lose the character of the house.
 
As far as "tradesmen" not being respected, have you tried to get a plumber, carpenter, etc? Try getting one to show up at your home to do the work- you think the 2nd Coming is a big deal! It took a year before my roofer was able to squeeze me in.
And I agree with dko1951, today, it's make the most basis product, with the cheapest materials, which means they will have a short lifespan. While we do get cheap products, we've lost the craftsmanship.
 
As far as "tradesmen" not being respected, have you tried to get a plumber, carpenter, etc? Try getting one to show up at your home to do the work- you think the 2nd Coming is a big deal! It took a year before my roofer was able to squeeze me in.
And I agree with dko1951, today, it's make the most basis product, with the cheapest materials, which means they will have a short lifespan. While we do get cheap products, we've lost the craftsmanship.
Indeed. It is all mass produced, on an assembly line. Cheaper the better. More profits for the CEO's. Those craftsman days are over for the foreseeable future.
 
My grandfather was a cabinet maker. He and my father equipped a work room down in the basement and turned out some really nice stuff. They let me watch them work until it was time to turn on the table saw! Then I was ushered out. I guess that's where my love of woodworking comes from.

Nowadays, so much furniture is laminated or made from pressed wood, you can't refinish it...just throw it out.

I enjoy the restoration shows on TV where they actually try to save the old woodwork, cabinets, floors, etc. So many of those other shows just rip everything out or (gasp!) paint everything and totally lose the character of the house.
I did antique restoration for a time and enjoyed taking pieces that were hidden beneath layers of paint,(I'm talkin' pink, purple, white yellow all on one piece) and finding old growth wood with so much grain and caricature that will never be found again. It was like a treasure hunt. Unfortunately, the price I needed to do this was, most of the time, too high. Someone would buy a piece at a garage sale for $10 and would be blown away at the price I was asking. I usually told them I would gladly explain how they could do it themselves. None accepted my offer.
 
When did we become a "throwaway culture"?

Was it when the first disposable razor or ballpoint pen came into use?

We throw stuff away like it is the proper thing to do; filling up landfills with all kinds of junk.
We will be remembered as "The Consumer Culture" in the future, whatever the future will be. since we are raping the world of all it's resource's to fulfill those consumer needs.
 
I always hated, still hate and will continue to hate cheap particleboard furniture. Give me solid wood any day! Most cheap furniture today is made of glued sawdust with a cheap veneer finishing. It's doesn't last and it looks like crap!
 


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