"Experts" Make Excuses For Vaccine Not Working

[win231]

The statistics show that the vaccine is very clearly working. Just a look at the graphs tells the whole story, As the "vaccinated" line goes up, the "deaths" line goes down. I have never seen anything so clearly spelled out for us all to see.

Except those who do not want to see it, for whatever reason, will close their eyes and stick their fingers in their ears. And it is not only their loss, it's all of our loss. The longer it takes to get this country to the point of herd immunity, the longer businesses will be failing, masks will have to be worn by everybody, etc. The stubborn holdouts are damaging us all, mostly themselves, of course. A tragic commentary.

"Just look at the graph?"
A few years ago, our Dept. of Water & Power raised our electric bill from $112.00 to $785.00 with no increased use of electricity. The news reported many angry customers with similar increases.
I spoke to their representative who told me to "Look at the graph on your bill & you'll see the increased use of electricity."
I asked her, "Do you really think your customers are that stupid? YOU draw that graph on your computer; you can make the lines as long as you want to justify your charges."
I wrote to the Mayor, who launched an investigation & exposed their fraud. To pay their hefty fine, for the next two years, all my bills said
"No payment necessary."
Yeah.....Look at the graph - that we drew - to show whatever we want it to show for the gullible to believe.

 

[chic]

"Just look at the graph?"
A few years ago, our Dept. of Water & Power raised our electric bill from $112.00 to $785.00 with no increased use of electricity. The news reported many angry customers with similar increases.
I spoke to their representative who told me to "Look at the graph on your bill & you'll see the increased use of electricity."
I asked her, "Do you really think your customers are that stupid? YOU draw that graph on your computer; you can make the lines as long as you want to justify your charges."
I wrote to the Mayor, who launched an investigation & exposed their fraud. To pay their hefty fine, for the next two years, all my bills said
"No payment necessary."
Yeah.....Look at the graph - that we drew - to show whatever we want it to show for the gullible to believe.

I did the same when they did that to me TWICE. My bills have been ok since. A person has to examine and fight these injustices.

 

[Capt Lightning]

Here in the UK and Europe, people are suffering and dying, not directly from Covid, but because Covid has prevented them receiving the necessary treatment. Not only are medical wards and 'intensive care' beds mainly filled with seriously ill patients, but this also requires specialist nursing and medical staff to treat them. The result is a waiting list running into years for some non-covid treatments.

Now some intelligent and thinking people may decide not to get vaccinated. That is their choice. Getting vaccinated may not stop them catching covid, but it will most likely stop them ending up in hospital and possibly preventing someone else being treated. Day after day, surgeons have to make difficult decisions about who they can treat with the limited resources that Covid has left them with. But, hey, don't worry, if you catch Covid, I'm sure someone else won't mind waiting for your bed.

 

[Becky1951]

"But, hey, don't worry, if you catch Covid, I'm sure someone else won't mind waiting for your bed."

Oh Look, another shame tactic.

Apparently a persons right to choose is non existent anymore. Oh they have the right to choose but....if not choosing the same as those vaccinated they are called non caring, stupid, uneducated, low income living in the slums, non patriotic and tried to be shamed. I'm sure I missed a few comments. But that's a start.

I am not getting vaccinated due to my Dr's advice regarding MY health issues. However I Respect a persons individual choice and believe everyone has the right to choose and not be persecuted due to their individual choice.

The ones needing to be shamed are those who call names, try to shame and and put down down others just because they do not follow them.

 

[win231]

Here in the UK and Europe, people are suffering and dying, not directly from Covid, but because Covid has prevented them receiving the necessary treatment. Not only are medical wards and 'intensive care' beds mainly filled with seriously ill patients, but this also requires specialist nursing and medical staff to treat them. The result is a waiting list running into years for some non-covid treatments.

Now some intelligent and thinking people may decide not to get vaccinated. That is their choice. Getting vaccinated may not stop them catching covid, but it will most likely stop them ending up in hospital and possibly preventing someone else being treated. Day after day, surgeons have to make difficult decisions about who they can treat with the limited resources that Covid has left them with. But, hey, don't worry, if you catch Covid, I'm sure someone else won't mind waiting for your bed.

LOL. Obviously, someone died & left you God.

 

[Ladybj]

"Just look at the graph?"
A few years ago, our Dept. of Water & Power raised our electric bill from $112.00 to $785.00 with no increased use of electricity. The news reported many angry customers with similar increases.
I spoke to their representative who told me to "Look at the graph on your bill & you'll see the increased use of electricity."
I asked her, "Do you really think your customers are that stupid? YOU draw that graph on your computer; you can make the lines as long as you want to justify your charges."
I wrote to the Mayor, who launched an investigation & exposed their fraud. To pay their hefty fine, for the next two years, all my bills said
"No payment necessary."
Yeah.....Look at the graph - that we drew - to show whatever we want it to show for the gullible to believe.

Great Post Win231!!!!

 

[Mr. Ed]

Experts say whatever they choose because they are experts

 

[Sunny]

^^^ Scapegoatting at its best.

Win, you're beginning to sound an awful lot like Don Quixote, lashing out in every direction against everyone who supports proactive measures in getting rid of this vicious killer of a disease.

Pointing out that as the vaccine rates go up, the death rates go down - that is "scapegoating?" That doesn't even make any sense.

If someone pointed out that as drunken driving goes down, the rate of traffic fatalities also goes down, would that be "scapegoating" also? According to your logic, it would.

 

[Sunny]

If you haven't caught COVID does that mean the vaccine is working? Or simply that you haven't caught COVID?

Obviously, it could mean either. But no one is just guessing. They keep records of who has received the vaccine, and see how many of those people did not get sick from the virus, compared with those who did not get it.

If a lot more people who did not receive the vaccine got the disease than those who did receive the vaccine, the conclusion is just plain old common sense. Isn't that how all medical treatment is tested?

 

[win231]

Win, you're beginning to sound an awful lot like Don Quixote, lashing out in every direction against everyone who supports proactive measures in getting rid of this vicious killer of a disease.

Pointing out that as the vaccine rates go up, the death rates go down - that is "scapegoating?" That doesn't even make any sense.

If someone pointed out that as drunken driving goes down, the rate of traffic fatalities also goes down, would that be "scapegoating" also? According to your logic, it would.

According to your logic, "Just look at the graph" (we drew) & believe whatever it tells you without any thought.

 

[Brookswood]

Curious; the bible tells us not to judge but how do you not make judgment calls in life?

Umm.. I know this is off topic, but the Bible has plenty of places where we are called to make a judgement, and based on that, choose a path. It's how we judge that is the issue. Those who seek to complain and condemn "You are a bad person, a jerk and I hope you eat poison and die a horrible death" are not the same as those who say "Wait, I believe that is wrong and I can't support it." With what measure we measure others, we will be measured. So be careful.

Back on topic, at some point the vaccine will have been available long enough for anybody who wants to have got it and be fully vaccinated. At that point, I will no longer inconvenience myself to help protect those who could protect themselves but choose not to do so. Nothing personal and no condemnation, but you're on your own. I have to get on with my own life.

 

[win231]

Umm.. I know this is off topic, but the Bible has plenty of places where we are called to make a judgement, and based on that, choose a path. It's how we judge that is the issue. Those who seek to complain and condemn "You are a bad person, a jerk and I hope you eat poison and die a horrible death" are not the same as those who say "Wait, I believe that is wrong and I can't support it." With what measure we measure others, we will be measured. So be careful.

Back on topic, at some point the vaccine will have been available long enough for anybody who wants to have got it and be fully vaccinated. At that point, I will no longer inconvenience myself to help protect those who could protect themselves but choose not to do so. Nothing personal and no condemnation, but you're on your own. I have to get on with my own life.

You're making an assumption that is not only amusing, but mistaken. You are not protecting anyone else by getting vaccinated. The experts have already said "the vaccine does not prevent transmission; it may make your illness less serious." That means your vaccine may protect you & no one else, except in your imagination & your desperate need to feel like an angel.
Those who choose to not get vaccinated have been "on their own" from the beginning.
Do tell us who is "Inconveniencing" you & stopping you from "Getting on with your own life."
There are more productive ways ways to feel like a hero than pretending to protect others by getting vaccinated.
I wonder if God is reading your post.

 

[Capt Lightning]

Perhaps in the U.S., there are no hospital waiting lists. It doesn't matter how many beds are occupied by non vaccinated people, there will always be room for everyone . However, in other countries this isn't the case. The backlog of non-covid cases will take years to clear, and in the meantime many will die because of this. Is that OK? By getting vaccinated, you may not be directly be protecting someone else, but by not protecting yourself, you may be denying someone else much needed treatment.

I don't believe in 'God', and if he/she/it did exist, they must just be sitting back and letting the world suffer.

 

[Buckeye]

All of the data I see from any "non-crackpot" source show that, by any measure, we are winning the battle against Covid. # of new cases, # of hospital admissions, # of emergency room visits, all going down. ~ 61.3% of us have had a least one shot, and as that % goes up, the # of cases goes down.

It ain't brain science or rocket surgery.

Have a great day.

 

[Sunny]

My state is opening up back to normal, next week. Hooray!

 

[StarSong]

My state is opening up back to normal, next week. Hooray!

CA is talking about opening our economy back up to near-normal conditions June 15th. As per the CDC guidelines that CA is following, vaccinated people won't need masks. Many will undoubtedly still wear them in stores and other indoor public spaces because unvaccinated people won't necessarily follow the guidelines.

There will be lots of play-it-by-ear going on, I think.

Please keep us posted on what Maryland looks like when it reopens.

 

[Nathan]

If all Americans acted like reasonable and considerate adults and took the vaccine when available to them, we would be in much better shape in the fight of this virus than we are today. But a lot of people are still whining about it and refuse to do the right thing, we all suffer as a nation for it.

Agreed. And rather than hang on every word uttered by CDC or Dr. Fauci and looking for points to criticize, people need to understand that the Covid treatment response is a work in progress.

Saw a big guy with a red ball-cap in the bank a couple days ago, whining and carrying on about being required to wear a mask. All I can say is that when I was in the Army in Vietnam I was grateful to have protective equipment available.
Nobody had to "order" me to use wear the steel pot and flak jacket...it was just common sense.

 

[win231]

Perhaps in the U.S., there are no hospital waiting lists. It doesn't matter how many beds are occupied by non vaccinated people, there will always be room for everyone . However, in other countries this isn't the case. The backlog of non-covid cases will take years to clear, and in the meantime many will die because of this. Is that OK? By getting vaccinated, you may not be directly be protecting someone else, but by not protecting yourself, you may be denying someone else much needed treatment.

I don't believe in 'God', and if he/she/it did exist, they must just be sitting back and letting the world suffer.

Yes, and it's also selfish & inconsiderate of me to drive because I can get into an accident & require medical care & deny someone else much-needed treatment by taking up a hospital bed.
Pedestrians & bicyclists should also stay home so they don't get hurt & deny others medical care.

 

[John cycling]

 

[win231]

Agreed. And rather than hang on every word uttered by CDC or Dr. Fauci and looking for points to criticize, people need to understand that the Covid treatment response is a work in progress.

Saw a big guy with a red ball-cap in the bank a couple days ago, whining and carrying on about being required to wear a mask. All I can say is that when I was in the Army in Vietnam I was grateful to have protective equipment available.
Nobody had to "order" me to use wear the steel pot and flak jacket...it was just common sense.

That explains why you are willing to let others make your health decisions & program you.
And why you have contempt for independent thinkers.

 

[Nathan]

That explains why you are willing to let others make your health decisions & program you.
And why you have contempt for independent thinkers.

Your statement shows on so many levels that you actually have not the slightest idea of what you're talking about.