Fascinated by hallucinogenics & psychedelics

Mr. Ed

Mr. Ed

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I am a spiritual man therefore I am fascinated by hallucinogenics & psychedelics.

So, what is the real reason psychedelics are illegal? Psychedelics are illegal because a psychedelic experience kills the ego and brings a new perspective on life and tarnishes the facade of the cultural, social and governmental structures that were laid down throughout generations. Psychedelics, also reveal the feeling of being united with all humans. The more united a group is, the harder they are to control.

Many people new to psychedelics automatically assume the worst. There is actually benefits to using psychedelics such as ego death, better understanding with oneself, questioning your surroundings, and cuts the middle man to your spiritual growth. However, there are some cons to psychedelics.

The people who come back from their experience using Psychedelics, come with a different view on social, cultural and governmental hierarchy. These people wound up questioning authority and generational traditions which leads to a social destabilization.
n the 1960’s America was going through a cultural shift. However, psychedelics were on the rise among the people and the effects from psychedelics made it a perfect example from the time era. The experience that came from the drug made the concept of generational conformity seem illogical.

Around the time psychedelics were on the rise, the Vietnam war was happening. The people began protesting against the needless violence. The government didn’t want a group of hippies discussing love and peace, if there was a war to be fought. If more people decided to try psychedelics they would naturally be inclined to a consciousness of everlasting peace and love.

No wars would be fought and psychedelics became a threat to the cultural structure.

Terrence McKenna describing the status of psychedelics legality.

“Psychedelics are illegal not because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out of a third story window. Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve opinion structures and culturally laid down models of behavior and information processing.” -Terrence McKenna
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The most remarkable potential benefit of hallucinogens is what is an actually thing called “ego death,” This is a unique experience to each person where they lose their sense of self and the resulting effect is they no longer worry of worldly affairs. Such as, the fear of death or person issues like anxiety or even their own addictions.

The ego struggles with constant opposition throughout your life. It is a method for survival, for the continuation of the human essence through security. Including, the fear of death and the fear of being forgotten.

Psychedelics help you liberate your mind with the outside influences that drive your ego. Seeing the big picture that your ego isn’t you.

The person who you see everyday in the mirror isn’t you. The person you see is actually consciousness that is connected with every living being.

How Timothy Leary in 1964 described ego death.

Complete transcendence—beyond words, beyond space-time, beyond self. There are no visions, no sense of self, no thoughts. There is only pure awareness and ecstatic freedom.
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It was the same with Marijuana. Look at it now. Soon Seagrams will stop the alcohol business and put it's billions into CBD and TCH products. Colorado is the front runner in allowing mushrooms and peyote ( I think ). There is evidence that it is very therapeutic when micro dosed, and many people are doing it. The stigma will begin to fade, because we all need a HUGE dose of ego loss.
 
The economy is not good enough. In the '60's two people could live on one part time job.
 

I did psychedelics in my late teens through early 20s. They killed my motivation. I still have minor effects from them which means they permanently altered my brain chemistry. I wish I never took them, but hey, it's late in your life. Have fun tripping your a** off.
 
Oh, great, as I get older there's hearing loss, hair loss, tooth loss, muscle loss, bone density loss, and now I have worry about ego loss, too. The ancient Egyptians used all manner of drugs, for the same mind altering experiences, for which we use drugs, today. So, it's clear that we enjoy these drugs. I don't believe we will ever stop this undisciplined, risky drug use., per Judycat , above. The best we can hope for is to control it. I believe the first person to concoct a "safe" mind altering drug will be our first 'trillionaire'.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
Oh, great, as I get older there's hearing loss, hair loss, tooth loss, muscle loss, bone density loss, and now I have worry about ego loss, too. The ancient Egyptians used all manner of drugs, for the same mind altering experiences, for which we use drugs, today. So, it's clear that we enjoy these drugs. I don't believe we will ever stop this undisciplined, risky drug use., per Judycat , above. The best we can hope for is to control it. I believe the first person to concoct a "safe" mind altering drug will be our first 'trillionaire'.
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When ego loss occurs it frees you, not hurts you. Psychedelics do harm to people psychologically if they are susceptible to cognitive dissonance which would be enhanced by the drugs effect, but very few people are. Ego loss is the feeling of being free of all the delusional ideas and fantasy notions about who/what you imagine you are, which is always untrue. I would think that people would desire being free of propping up their false sense of self.
 
Paco Dennis said:
When ego loss occurs it frees you, not hurts you. Psychedelics do harm to people psychologically if they are susceptible to cognitive dissonance which would be enhanced by the drugs effect, but very few people are. Ego loss is the feeling of being free of all the delusional ideas and fantasy notions about who/what you imagine you are, which is always untrue. I would think that people would desire being free of propping up their false sense of self.
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What i put in bold is part of what annoyed me about them being criminalized while at the same time the government was dosing people (including members of armed services) with such hallucinogens without consent, preparation or proper safety measures like a 'guide' to stick with person and help them work thru any fearful moment (because if you are a fearful person you can have frightening experiences on such drugs).

And Mr. Ed said in OP:
Psychedelics are illegal because a psychedelic experience kills the ego and brings a new perspective on life and tarnishes the facade of the cultural, social and governmental structures that were laid down throughout generations. Psychedelics, also reveal the feeling of being united with all humans. The more united a group is, the harder they are to control.

Similar effects (minimization if not loss of ego, sense of being connected to all life/consciousness) can be had from regular, well planned meditations. Tho the kind of practice and focus it takes to do remote viewing kind of does it naturally as a side effect unless the personality is seriously warped to begin with--which is why they difficulty getting MK Ultra Remote Viewers to transition from just viewing--gathering intel to being remote 'doers'. Some in various Intel agencies had hopes their guys not only could but would be willing to try to impact physical health of 'target' people.
 
Having learned to meditate 30 years ago, I can testify that humans can find ego-loss by that method. It was Ram Dass who gave his Guru a potent dose of LSD...

"When Maharajji asked Ram Dass for “medicine,” Ram Dass gave him three pills, each containing 305 micrograms of LSD, a very strong dose. The guru gulped down all three pills. “All day long I’m there,” Ram Dass wrote, “and every now and then he twinkles at me and nothing—nothing happens!”

LSD didn’t affect Maharajji, Ram Dass implied, because the guru already had such a profoundly mystical outlook. This message corroborated the overarching theme of Be Here Now, that spiritual practices such as meditation and yoga can induce the same powerful mystical states as psychedelics but in a more stable, permanent fashion."

https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...-dass-and-the-tale-of-the-acid-gobbling-guru/
 
Paco Dennis said:
Having learned to meditate 30 years ago, I can testify that humans can find ego-loss by that method. It was Ram Dass who gave his Guru a potent dose of LSD...

"When Maharajji asked Ram Dass for “medicine,” Ram Dass gave him three pills, each containing 305 micrograms of LSD, a very strong dose. The guru gulped down all three pills. “All day long I’m there,” Ram Dass wrote, “and every now and then he twinkles at me and nothing—nothing happens!”

LSD didn’t affect Maharajji, Ram Dass implied, because the guru already had such a profoundly mystical outlook. This message corroborated the overarching theme of Be Here Now, that spiritual practices such as meditation and yoga can induce the same powerful mystical states as psychedelics but in a more stable, permanent fashion."

https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...-dass-and-the-tale-of-the-acid-gobbling-guru/
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Have you read Ram Dass's "Still Here"? That came out after his stroke in '97, i read it in early 2000's i think. It spoke to me even more than his iconic 'Be Here, Now' from back in the day.

Oh and "LSD didn’t affect Maharajji, Ram Dass implied, because the guru already had such a profoundly mystical outlook."--no doubt. Hallucinogens seem (in my limited experience and extensive reading, discussing with others) to facilitate the projection of our mindset or relationship to this world onto the reality of this world/plane of existence. This is why people with serious issues need a 'guide' when taking them. Who has them describe what they are experiencing and talks them thru the rough patches. But Ram Dass's Guru? That kind of interaction with, influence on perceived reality would be 'old news' to him.
 
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YES! I agree, he had his head in the clouds...and he was still enamored by his fame/power. The stroke took care of that. Life has a way of separating the wheat from the chaff. It is rare that after 60 people don't begin to search for their own "truth". For me, this is the lifetime to come to terms with how easy it is to fool ourselves.
 
I wasn’t into Ram Dass. The book that helped me was The Lazy Man’s Guide to Enlightenment Thaddeus Golas. The text helped me to understand how body vibrations impact our mood and ability and the way we live.

If you understand physics you understand how the world works.
 
Drugs didn't interest me. I figured as someone with issues with food, one problem was enough.

I had access to them. Friends did cocaine and I had a friend who suggested we do magic mushrooms which she had done. I wasn't interested. I didn't know anyone, to my knowledge, who did anything harsher.

I did smoke some pot, a friend of a friend had a whole set up in their detached garage which I was invited into. They were very nice people. I hope they never got caught. I was probably about 21 the last time I did.
 
Some truth there Ed but below link summarizes the actual story. Note the dominant news media of that era was strongly in the military industrialist camp and pummeled newspapers with negatively biased storied about all manner of we young folks. This was far more of a cultural upheaval than anything since. By the mid 70's things began to change however much damage was already done.

https://psychedelicspotlight.com/why-are-psychedelics-illegal/

“The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people.
You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”

Psychedelics such as LSD and psilocybin joined marijuana on the list of Schedule 1 substances despite growing evidence of therapeutic efficacy. While MDA, an analogue to MDMA, was discussed during this time, it was predominantly ignored. That would soon change.
 
I was doing acid almost weekly for a while around 1980. I did it once at a party and it made everybody look reptilian. That was hilarious!

I loved listening to the Doors live album and Hendrix's Electric Ladyland on acid. Those albums transported you to another realm of existence — especially The Doors. It was like living a dream. Just a complete escape from reality.

That said, I've also seen people freak out on acid, and there are numerous stories about musicians who did so much, it destroyed them psychologically and they never recovered. I guess some people with mental health problems might benefit from it, but I'd also bet that some will go off the deep end and may even kill themselves. It can be highly entertaining and mind opening or dangerous.
 
I think that psychedelic drugs work best when the are taken in low doses. They should not be taken in high doses that causes illusions and the person taking them can not operate in a normal capacity.

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Lawrence said:
I think that psychedelic drugs work best when the are taken in low doses. They should not be taken in high doses that causes illusions and the person taking them can not operate in a normal capacity.
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Back in the day I did not take drugs responsibly. I took higher doses to get wasted not to have a good time.
 
If psychedelics were legalized for therapeutic use I would like to visit the place where I left off.
 
Mr. Ed said:
If psychedelics were legalized for therapeutic use I would like to visit the place where I left off.
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You might just leave the place where you are now and never find your way back.

My son took LSD quite a few times while in college and it ruined his life. He went from a happy pre-med student on the Dean's List, to unable to attend classes at all.

If you think losing your ego sounds fun you should know it is not. Not recognizing your own name and believing that strangers are inhabiting your body is a terrifying state. You're not so much "one with everything" as nothing at all, lost in an empty void.

I would hate to see this LSD legalized and I am surprised how many states are legalizing marijuana since it is also known to cause mental illness in many young people.

From the NHS site:
Certain drugs, particularly cannabis, cocaine, LSD or amphetamines, may trigger symptoms of schizophrenia in people who are susceptible.

Using amphetamines or cocaine can lead to psychosis, and can cause a relapse in people recovering from an earlier episode.

Research has shown that teenagers and young adults who use cannabis regularly are more likely to develop schizophrenia in later adulthood.
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Mr. Ed said:
If psychedelics were legalized for therapeutic use I would like to visit the place where I left off.
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Depending on where you live check and see if any of College/University or 'Teaching' Hospitals in your area are doing studies involving them since research has been decriminalized (the guy who first synthesized LSD (it occurs naturally in some flour), Albert Hoffman believed it had therapeutic uses, and lived long enough to see the USA approve research into such uses. (Which they sent Dr. Leary to jail for tho he took more care of his 'subjects'/co-experimenters than they did of theirs.

Some facilities are researching DMT which occurs in a variety of plants and animals (interestingly as a 'defense' mechanism) but the one getting the most buzz in recent years is Ayahuasca.
 
Della said:
You might just leave the place where you are now and never find your way back.

My son took LSD quite a few times while in college and it ruined his life. He went from a happy pre-med student on the Dean's List, to unable to attend classes at all.

If you think losing your ego sounds fun you should know it is not. Not recognizing your own name and believing that strangers are inhabiting your body is a terrifying state. You're not so much "one with everything" as nothing at all, lost in an empty void.

I would hate to see this LSD legalized and I am surprised how many states are legalizing marijuana since it is also known to cause mental illness in many young people.
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Your experience with your son is similar to what happened to me when I was 17. I took too much and experienced ego loss so bad that I couldn't read and make sense of it. I was completely lost. But, in a few months I started connecting to higher consciousness books. Now, even though the trip changed my brain for good, I am very glad that it happened, because I have developed inner means to stay connected to the "big picture".
 
Della said:
You might just leave the place where you are now and never find your way back.

My son took LSD quite a few times while in college and it ruined his life. He went from a happy pre-med student on the Dean's List, to unable to attend classes at all.

If you think losing your ego sounds fun you should know it is not. Not recognizing your own name and believing that strangers are inhabiting your body is a terrifying state. You're not so much "one with everything" as nothing at all, lost in an empty void.

I would hate to see this LSD legalized and I am surprised how many states are legalizing marijuana since it is also known to cause mental illness in many young people.
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Della, i am sorry your son experienced that.

The key phrases from the NHS site you quoted in your other post about this:
"...may trigger symptoms of schizophrenia in people who are susceptible.
Using amphetamines or cocaine can lead to psychosis, and can cause a relapse in people recovering from an earlier episode."

Certainly people need to be careful about what, how much and when/where they take anything--including prescribed medicines. If someone is prescribed the wrong psychoactive med due to a misdiagnosis it can have the opposite of the intended effect. But i don't believe Marijuana causes mental illness any more than alcohol causes depression in some people and aggressiveness in others. Rather the substances are reacting with the person's body chemistry and any existing issues they have. Just as we all have individual reactions to alcohol and both OTC and prescription drugs.
 

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