Five dead, 18 injured in shooting at gay nightclub in Colorado, police say

Makes you wonder how all these politicians who spread all this vile hatred sleep at night, knowing that they are major contributors to this kind of thing. So often even they don't believe their own rhetoric, just stoking the fire for personal power, and wealth.
 

Law enforcement isn't doing their job. The shooter has a long criminal history.

"The assault raised questions about why authorities did not seek to take Aldrich’s guns away from him in 2021, when he was arrested after his mother reported he threatened her with a homemade bomb and other weapons.
Though authorities at the time said no explosives were found, gun-control advocates have asked why police didn’t use Colorado’s “red flag” laws to seize the weapons his mother says he had. There’s no public record prosecutors ever moved forward with felony kidnapping and menacing charges against Aldrich."
 
I usually discount the noise about "rhetoric" because I think most of these killers are listening to voices in their own heads.

In this case, however, the shooter's own grandfather is a former member of the House of Representatives known for his crazy thinking and ugly speech. Who knows what the shooter heard every night around the dinner table.
 
I could be wrong because I haven’t read many articles; I don’t think his name is being mentioned. No recognition for him.
 
The mother of the shooter is trailer trash. She was arrested for public intoxication, DUI, false reporting, and failure to appear for speeding ticket charges in California. And her father is a MAGA politician.
 
This hits very close to home for me because my son is gay. I'm living with him and his husband and their kids, and to me we seem like any other family. I don't understand the hatred. Listening to them trying to answer their daughter's questions and calm her fears broke my heart.
 
Jules said:
I wish they’d stop giving any fame/notoriety to the killers. At least some articles have been withholding this info.
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Yes and no. The murderer not shooter should be associated with the crime of mass murder in a cowardly fashion. They should not be referred to as 'the shooter' which equates to video game character. Sometimes not using the cowardly killers names puts an air of mystery around 'the shooter'. It should be clear what these perpetrators are-cowardly killers, mass murders or pieces of crap. History needs to know what they really are.
 
win231 said:
Interesting info about gun ownership in Switzerland:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/switzerland-stunningly-high-rate-gun-221301791.html
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It is a good article, and Switzerland a good example of a country with lots of safely held guns. I used to go to Geneva for business a lot and got to know some of the Swiss, we talked about their guns. One reason for this is that for a long time every adult male was in the Swiss military, reserves. All had to have guns, and be trained in their use. The idea was that should anyone try to invade a large army could be mobilized quite quickly. It worked, keeping Switzerland out of WWI and WWII.

Swiss guns are very tightly regulated. The article points some of this out, for example:

Hunters and sports shooters are allowed to transport their guns only from their home to the firing range — they can't just stop for coffee with their rifle.

By US standards the Swiss live quite regulated lives, I am not sure how well this would work here. But it is a good case study to consider.
 
Alligatorob said:
It is a good article, and Switzerland a good example of a country with lots of safely held guns. I used to go to Geneva for business a lot and got to know some of the Swiss, we talked about their guns. One reason for this is that for a long time every adult male was in the Swiss military, reserves. All had to have guns, and be trained in their use. The idea was that should anyone try to invade a large army could be mobilized quite quickly. It worked, keeping Switzerland out of WWI and WWII.

Swiss guns are very tightly regulated. The article points some of this out, for example:

Hunters and sports shooters are allowed to transport their guns only from their home to the firing range — they can't just stop for coffee with their rifle.

By US standards the Swiss live quite regulated lives, I am not sure how well this would work here. But it is a good case study to consider.
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Similar laws - at least in Los Angeles. Guns in vehicles only when going to or coming from range. And they must be in a locked container or locked in trunk. When I travel to the range, I don't stop anywhere anyway. I won't leave my car unattended with weapons in it.
 
SeniorBen said:
The murderer was religious and probably thought he was doing the work of God. The Mormon church, of which he was a member, is always preaching the evils of homosexuality. Like abortion clinic shooters, he no doubt felt that he was ridding the world of evil.
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Like this wacko: (murdered over 25, had 13 wives)
Great movie starring Brian Dennehy
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwidxuGt9sT7AhVFJUQIHV5ECTUQFnoECBwQAQ&url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ervil_LeBaron&usg=AOvVaw3MoDbs6W0Wp10iFkrhg2wn
 
I'm not gay, not a guy that goes to nightclubs and I don't hang around with rappers. Over the years there are many stories about rappers shooting each other, killing outside of nightclubs and some gay person going nuts because their relationship went bad. At my age, watching Doc, Kitty, Festus and Marshall Dillon on the 19th year of "Gunsmoke" is about as exciting as I want things to get. Still love to travel but when it gets dark, I will be in my hotel room; "snug as that proverbial bug in a rug."
 
RadishRose said:
I read he was bullied quite a lot. Building rage and hate. No excuse; just sayin'.
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And yet his father was a mixed martial artist/fighter.

Pretty sure the mom felt something stupid would happen but didn't know what to do or go through the process of getting him help
 

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